Hydraulics For Drop Bars?

On 6/14/04 9:37 AM, in article [email hidden],

Stuart said:

I'm looking to add hydraulic brakes to my Canondale T2000
tourer which has STI levers at the moment. Can anyone tell
me if there sare STI compatible hydraulic levers availble
at the moment or will I have to go back to separate
shifters again? If that's the case can anyone suggest a
hydraulic brake /lever setup for drop bars? I'd settle for
rim or disc brakes.

The only one integrated shifter/hydraulic road levers that
I've ever heard of were made by edco in the mid 90's, they
were 8 speed and worked with the Magura brakes, I believe.
Good luck on finding them. Otherwise, I believe that
Magura is still making the road brake lever/rim brake
combo that can be used with barend shifters. This is
probably your best bet.

Baird

Baird Webel said:

The only one integrated shifter/hydraulic road levers that
I've ever heard of were made by edco in the mid 90's, they
were 8 speed and worked with the Magura brakes, I believe.

Right, the edco group came with Magura HS77 calipers.

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Good luck on finding them.

I saw a set not too long ago in a shop outside Bouc Bel Air
between Aix-en-Provence and Marseille.

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Otherwise, I believe that Magura is still making the road
brake lever/rim brake combo that can be used with barend
shifters. This is probably your best bet.

As far as I know, both the HS66 and HS77 drop-bar rim brake
sets have now been discontinued, but there may still be
stock in the pipeline. The levers are still around as spare
parts, and will work with any of the Magura rim brakes.

One other option might be to use a cable-operated hydraulic
master cylinder, as described here:

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James Thomson

Stuart said:

I'm looking to add hydraulic brakes to my Canondale T2000
tourer which has STI levers at the moment. Can anyone tell
me if there sare STI compatible hydraulic levers availble
at the moment or will I have to go back to separate
shifters again? If that's the case can anyone suggest a
hydraulic brake /lever setup for drop bars? I'd settle for
rim or disc brakes.

_ Stuart

Have you considered using the Avid mechanical discs? Seems
like that would be a good solution, and I'd bet that they
would work with the STI levers.

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I'm looking to add hydraulic brakes to my Canondale T2000
tourer which has STI levers at the moment. Can anyone tell
me if there sare STI compatible hydraulic levers availble
at the moment or will I have to go back to separate
shifters again? If that's the case can anyone suggest a
hydraulic brake /lever setup for drop bars? I'd settle for
rim or disc brakes.

_ Stuart

I think you're out of luck. Magura HS-66 brakes are drop-
bar compatible hydraulics (picture at cambriabi-cambriabi-Open ↗
ke.com/road/brake_calipers_levers/index.htm ), but they're
not STI compatible. Using them with bar-end shifters is
what *I* would do.

Santana Tandems have a cable-operated master cylinder for
Formula disc brakes, but that's an expensive way to go. Does
your frame have disc brake mounts on it already? If not,
adding them may be very, very expensive if not impossible.

Jeff

Stuart said:

I'm looking to add hydraulic brakes to my Canondale T2000
tourer which has STI levers at the moment. Can anyone tell
me if there sare STI compatible hydraulic levers availble
at the moment or will I have to go back to separate
shifters again? If that's the case can anyone suggest a
hydraulic brake /lever setup for drop bars? I'd settle for
rim or disc brakes.

What problem are you trying to solve, that you would be
willing to endure the tradeoffs of hydraulic brakes to
solve it? I ask in all earnestness, as a rider who has
tried pretty much every available option in the pursuit of
better braking.

I used Magura hydraulic rim brakes years ago, and they
provided better power and sensitivity than any brakes I'd
had up to that time. But I have since learned to set up cable-
actuated rim brakes to provide more of everything I liked
about those old hydraulics, without the peculiar mainenance
and repair techniques or the unique vulnerabilities of
hydraulic brakes.

One can reap most of the benefits of (bicycle-specific)
hydraulic brakes simply by using full-length plastic-lined
cable housing, die-drawn cable, and careful routing to avoid
tight bends.

Chalo Colina

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I'm looking to add hydraulic brakes to my Canondale T2000
tourer which has STI levers at the moment. Can anyone tell
me if there sare STI compatible hydraulic levers availble

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the moment or will I have to go back to separate shifters
again? If that's the case can anyone suggest a hydraulic
brake /lever setup for drop bars? I'd settle for rim or
disc brakes.

_ Stuart

I've used HS-66 Maguras on a Cannondale Cyclocross frame.
Originally, they were on a tandem.

They were very nice, brake very smoothly, and powerfully.
But as others have mentioned, you need to use them with bar-
end or downtube.

I changed the front fork to a disk compatible and installed
an Avid ball bearing disk so that I could use an STI on the
rear mech. If you set the bike up European style, front
brake on the right is normal. Now my setup is left hand HS-
66 rear brake and bar-end front derailleur together with
Avid front brake and STI for the rear mech.

When I first tested the Avid disk I was very disappointed,
but my disappointment went away when a) the pads bedded in
properly, and b) I changed the disk from their standard
160mm to their extreme 185mm disk. I can wholly recommend
using the larger diameter disk. Takes the braking
performance way way beyond the hydraulic Magura rim brake.
But if you live in a flat area, its really overkill.

Phillip

Well I put Magura HS66s on my wife's tourer and she uses bar
ends. She loves the brakes and so do I as they mean almost
no maintenance for me to do. However, I've gone away from
bar ends myself on my tourer as they are a bit vulnerable on
an aircraft. I now have STIs and use short cantis by
Diacompe (got them on Ebay, similar to Avid Shortys etc.) so
I can still get good tyre clearance. I'm pleased with the
combination. I have maguras on my going to work MTB and find
the lack of maintenance fantastic. They're fitted about 5
years and I've never had to bleed them etc. Just
occasionally adjust the allen-key nut or change the blocks.

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If you set the bike up European style, front brake on the
right is normal.

Front on the right is normal English style. The rest of
Europe varies a little, but leans strongly towards front
brake on the left.
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sd-<< I'm looking to add hydraulic brakes to my Canondale
T2000 tourer which has STI levers at the moment. Can anyone
tell me if there sare STI compatible hydraulic levers
availble at the moment or will I have to go back to separate
shifters again? >><BR><BR>

No hydraulic discs with STI or ERGO. Even with downtube or
barends, no 'road' levers that are hydraulic disc
compatible. You could probably fit Hayes levers to the
flat portion of the drop bar, ala cross levers, but no
soap for the STI.

Avid mechanical discs work great with road levers tho-

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Santana Tandems have a cable-operated master cylinder for
Formula disc brakes, but that's an expensive way to go.
Does your frame have disc brake mounts on it already? If
not, adding them may be very, very expensive if not
impossible.

Jeff

I saw a tandem in for servicing with one of these gizmos on
it. It is an option.

Otherwise the Avid Mechanicals are probably the easiest
retro since Avid makes road lever compatible versions of
their brakes now.

HTH,

M

Thanks all. Plenty of options there but I think I'll leave
well alone and stay with the STI's for the time being until
I can find a more straightforward fix!

__
Stuart