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  1. (The following is from the thread
    groups.google.comgroups)

    Quoted message said:

    Tim Tyler ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Copper & Alzheimer's Disease

    Quoted message said:

    A report of a previous study:

    Quoted message said:

    ``Research teams at Harvard Medical School, the University of Melbourne, and Prana Biotechnology
    Ltd in Australia are working collaboratively on giving Alzheimer's-prone mice copper chelators,
    substances that sop up metals and eliminate them from the body. These new metal-binding drugs
    effectively "melted" the amyloid plaques in living mice in as little as nine weeks, and are now in
    clinical trials with Alzheimer's patients. Results of the first of these drugs, clioquinol, should
    be known within 12 months, and further trials of this approach are currently in preparation.''

    Quoted message said:

    - infoaging.orgd alz 9 r metals.html
    --


    __________

    Quoted message said:

    |im |yler timtyler.orgtimtyler.org [email hidden]

    Here is a small study indicating clioquinol virtually halted progression of moderate AD in humans.

    ====================================================================
    1: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1685-91. Related Articles, Links

    Comment in: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1678-9.

    Metal-protein attenuation with iodochlorhydroxyquin (clioquinol) targeting Abeta amyloid deposition
    and toxicity in Alzheimer disease: a pilot phase 2 clinical trial.

    Ritchie CW, Bush AI, Mackinnon A, Macfarlane S, Mastwyk M, MacGregor L, Kiers L, Cherny R, Li QX,
    Tammer A, Carrington D, Mavros C, Volitakis I, Xilinas M, Ames D, Davis S, Beyreuther K, Tanzi RE,
    Masters CL.

    Departments of Pathology, The University of Melbourne, The Mental Health Research Institute of
    Victoria, Parkville, Victoria, Australia.

    BACKGROUND: Alzheimer disease (AD) may be caused by the toxic accumulation of beta-amyloid (Abeta).
    OBJECTIVE: To test this theory, we developed a clinical intervention using clioquinol, a metal-protein-
    attenuating compound (MPAC) that inhibits zinc and copper ions from binding to Abeta, thereby
    promoting Abeta dissolution and diminishing its toxic properties. METHODS: A pilot phase 2 clinical
    trial in patients with moderately severe Alzheimer disease. RESULTS: Thirty-six subjects were
    randomized. The effect of treatment was significant in the more severely affected group (baseline
    cognitive subscale score of the Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale,

    Quoted message said:

    /=25), due to a substantial worsening of scores in those taking


    placebo compared with minimal deterioration for the clioquinol group. Plasma Abeta42 levels declined
    in the clioquinol group and increased in the placebo group. Plasma zinc levels rose in the clioquinol-
    treated group. The drug was well tolerated. CONCLUSION: Subject to the usual caveats inherent in
    studies with small sample size, this pilot phase 2 study supports further investigation of this
    novel treatment strategy using a metal-protein-attenuating compound.

    Publication Types: Clinical Trial Clinical Trial, Phase II Randomized Controlled Trial

    PMID: 14676042 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi
    t=Abstract

    ======================================================================

    Here'a an article on the study.

    ===============================================================
    Drug used to treat athlete's foot 'slows down Alzheimer's' By Michael Day and Martyn Halle (Filed:
    11/01/2004)

    A drug that is used in the treatment of athlete's foot could be used to treat Alzheimer's disease,
    according to a new study by British doctors.

    Iris Murdoch, who died in 1999, and her husband John Bayley The study, by a team from University
    College, London, found that clioquinol, a drug that is also used to treat ear infections and
    indigestion, can almost halt the progression of Alzheimer's.

    It discovered that clioquinol, which was developed 100 years ago, is able to absorb the zinc and
    copper atoms that concentrate in the brains of Alzheimer's sufferers before dementia sets in.

    Doctors believe that by absorbing these atoms, clioquinol can arrest the onset of dementia,
    potentially helping thousands of people.

    Dr Craig Ritchie, a psychiatrist at UCL and a Medical Research Council research fellow who led the
    trial, said that the results were "very exciting".

    "The patients on this trial had Alzheimer's that was mild to moderate, but there was very little
    change in their brains once they had started treatment," he said.

    "This drug could give your mind a chance to stay healthy as long as your body does. Particularly for
    patients who get this terrible disease in middle age, we need better treatments."

    The study was prompted by research at Melbourne University in Australia and Harvard University in
    the United States, which found that clioquinol could prevent zinc from building up on the surface of
    the brain.

    Academics from the universities speculated that by blocking zinc they could halt, and possibly
    reduce, the brain damage that causes Alzheimer's victims to lose their memory.

    To test their theory, the UCL doctors tested 13 Alzheimer's patients, giving them clioquinol over a
    nine-month period, and 13 other Alzheimer's sufferers who were given a placebo.

    The results, published in the Archives of Neurology, show that patients given clioquinol retained
    significantly more mental capacity than those who received the placebos. Dr Ritchie said that the
    patients taking clioquinol experienced a decline in their mental faculties of just 1.4 per cent.

    "You would normally see a drop of four points or more in someone with Alzheimer's over the period of
    time we treated these patients," he added. "For those taking the placebo, their mental decline was
    8.9 per cent. It's a very large gap and indicated that the drug was working."

    Alzheimer's affects one in 10 people over the age of 65, and almost half of those aged 85 and over.

    The protective effect of clioquinol appears to be nearly twice as great as that of the latest
    generation of Alzheimer's drugs, such as donepezil, which are expensive and not always widely
    available.

    A survey by Pfizer, the drug company, revealed last week that the availability of treatments, which
    cost up to £100 a month, varied sharply across Britain. In the worst area, Lothian in Scotland, less
    than £1 a head was spent on these drugs in the over-65 population compared with more than £10 a head
    in Northern Ireland.

    Clioquinol should be much cheaper because it is no longer protected by a patent.

    Prana Technology, an Australian drug firm, provided clioquinol for the first small trial. Larger
    trials of the drug are expected to start shortly and will include British patients.

    Dr Ritchie said that animal studies had suggested that the drug might even reverse the progress of
    the dementia - something that current treatments are unable to do.

    "We know that in mice the disease was reversed. Everyone is excited but this was only a small trial
    and we have to do a larger trial. We think this drug will produce the same results in extended
    trials with humans. If we can get to them early, we might be able to treat patients and leave them
    with very little damage to their brain."

    One fear over the long-term use of clioquinol is that it may damage peripheral nerves and the nerves
    in the eye. Dr Ritchie said his team found no evidence of this during their trial.

    Dr Susanne Sorensen, the head of research at the Alzheimer's Society, said: "The UCL research
    suggests that there may be a novel use for this already existing drug in the treatment of
    Alzheimer's disease. But the trial is limited in its scale and we believe it would be valuable to
    see a larger scale trial.

    "The potential for new drugs that may interfere with or revert the progression of Alzheimer's
    disease gives hope to people with dementia and their carers."

    The plight of sufferers and their carers was brought home to millions two years ago when the film
    biography of the novelist Iris Murdoch was showered with awards for its touching and realistic
    portrayal of the writer's dementia.

    news.telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml
    /ixhome.html/news/2004/01/11/nalz11.xml

    =====================================================================

    --Hua Kul [email hidden]

  2. If one takes action that indiscriminantly 'blocks' the normal functions of zinc and copper ions,
    then one is blocking more than the roles that these ions play in the formation of 'plaques'.

    In my view, Alsheimer's results from larger dynamics in which the 3-D energydynamics that 'normally'
    focus selective addressing of the DNA-RNA are prematurely terminated, yielding incompletely- formed
    'protein'-scraps that are what the "plaques" are.

    This's a classic instance of 'inability' to achieve sufficient TD E/I-minimization in which molecular-
    'level' 3-D energydynamics are prematurely- terminated be-cause TD E/I-minimization does not procede
    to 'completion' - it's a "pawling" [AoK, Ap5]deficit within the TD E/I-minimization mech- anisms as
    they are discussed in AoK.

    The treatment that will work will re-establish the normal DNA-RNA-tuning durations by re-establish-
    ing the 'normal' functional-scopes of TD E/I-mini- mization.

    Look for the "pawling" deficit, and its causes.

    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

    k. p. collins

    "Hua Kul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    (The following is from the thread


    groups.google.comgroups
    .0308141829.d00f6d2%40posting.google.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr% 3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-
    8%26q%3Dclioquinol%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26met a%3Dgroup%253Dsci.life-extension)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Tim Tyler ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Copper & Alzheimer's Disease

    Quoted message said:

    A report of a previous study:

    Quoted message said:

    ``Research teams at Harvard Medical School, the University of Melbourne,
    and Prana Biotechnology Ltd in Australia are working collaboratively


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    giving Alzheimer's-prone mice copper chelators, substances that sop up metals and eliminate
    them from the body. These new metal-binding drugs effectively "melted" the amyloid plaques in
    living mice in as little


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    nine weeks, and are now in clinical trials with Alzheimer's patients. Results of the first of
    these drugs, clioquinol, should be known within 12 months, and further trials of this approach
    are currently in preparation.''

    Quoted message said:

    - infoaging.orgd alz 9 r metals.html
    --


    __________

    Quoted message said:

    |im |yler timtyler.orgtimtyler.org [email hidden]

    Here is a small study indicating clioquinol virtually halted progression of moderate AD in humans.

    ====================================================================
    1: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1685-91. Related Articles, Links

    Comment in: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1678-9.

    Metal-protein attenuation with iodochlorhydroxyquin (clioquinol) targeting Abeta amyloid
    deposition and toxicity in Alzheimer disease: a pilot phase 2 clinical trial.

    Ritchie CW, Bush AI, Mackinnon A, Macfarlane S, Mastwyk M, MacGregor L, Kiers L, Cherny R, Li QX,
    Tammer A, Carrington D, Mavros C, Volitakis I, Xilinas M, Ames D, Davis S, Beyreuther K, Tanzi RE,
    Masters CL.

    Departments of Pathology, The University of Melbourne, The Mental Health Research Institute of
    Victoria, Parkville, Victoria, Australia.

    BACKGROUND: Alzheimer disease (AD) may be caused by the toxic accumulation of beta-amyloid
    (Abeta). OBJECTIVE: To test this theory, we developed a clinical intervention using clioquinol, a
    metal-protein-attenuating compound (MPAC) that inhibits zinc and copper ions from binding to
    Abeta, thereby promoting Abeta dissolution and diminishing its toxic properties. METHODS: A pilot
    phase 2 clinical trial in patients with moderately severe Alzheimer disease. RESULTS: Thirty-six
    subjects were randomized. The effect of treatment was significant in the more severely affected
    group (baseline cognitive subscale score of the Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale,

    Quoted message said:

    /=25), due to a substantial worsening of scores in those taking


    placebo compared with minimal deterioration for the clioquinol group. Plasma Abeta42 levels
    declined in the clioquinol group and increased in the placebo group. Plasma zinc levels rose in
    the clioquinol-treated group. The drug was well tolerated. CONCLUSION: Subject to the usual
    caveats inherent in studies with small sample size, this pilot phase 2 study supports further
    investigation of this novel treatment strategy using a metal-protein-attenuating compound.

    Publication Types: Clinical Trial Clinical Trial, Phase II Randomized Controlled Trial

    PMID: 14676042 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi
    ds=14676042&dopt=Abstract

    Quoted message said:


    ======================================================================

    Here'a an article on the study.

    ===============================================================
    Drug used to treat athlete's foot 'slows down Alzheimer's' By Michael Day and Martyn Halle (Filed:
    11/01/2004)

    A drug that is used in the treatment of athlete's foot could be used to treat Alzheimer's disease,
    according to a new study by British doctors.

    Iris Murdoch, who died in 1999, and her husband John Bayley The study, by a team from University
    College, London, found that clioquinol, a drug that is also used to treat ear infections and
    indigestion, can almost halt the progression of Alzheimer's.

    It discovered that clioquinol, which was developed 100 years ago, is able to absorb the zinc and
    copper atoms that concentrate in the brains of Alzheimer's sufferers before dementia sets in.

    Doctors believe that by absorbing these atoms, clioquinol can arrest the onset of dementia,
    potentially helping thousands of people.

    Dr Craig Ritchie, a psychiatrist at UCL and a Medical Research Council research fellow who led the
    trial, said that the results were "very exciting".

    "The patients on this trial had Alzheimer's that was mild to moderate, but there was very little
    change in their brains once they had started treatment," he said.

    "This drug could give your mind a chance to stay healthy as long as your body does. Particularly
    for patients who get this terrible disease in middle age, we need better treatments."

    The study was prompted by research at Melbourne University in Australia and Harvard University in
    the United States, which found that clioquinol could prevent zinc from building up on the surface
    of the brain.

    Academics from the universities speculated that by blocking zinc they could halt, and possibly
    reduce, the brain damage that causes Alzheimer's victims to lose their memory.

    To test their theory, the UCL doctors tested 13 Alzheimer's patients, giving them clioquinol over
    a nine-month period, and 13 other Alzheimer's sufferers who were given a placebo.

    The results, published in the Archives of Neurology, show that patients given clioquinol retained
    significantly more mental capacity than those who received the placebos. Dr Ritchie said that the
    patients taking clioquinol experienced a decline in their mental faculties of just 1.4 per cent.

    "You would normally see a drop of four points or more in someone with Alzheimer's over the period
    of time we treated these patients," he added. "For those taking the placebo, their mental decline
    was 8.9 per cent. It's a very large gap and indicated that the drug was working."

    Alzheimer's affects one in 10 people over the age of 65, and almost half of those aged 85
    and over.

    The protective effect of clioquinol appears to be nearly twice as great as that of the latest
    generation of Alzheimer's drugs, such as donepezil, which are expensive and not always widely
    available.

    A survey by Pfizer, the drug company, revealed last week that the availability of treatments,
    which cost up to £100 a month, varied sharply across Britain. In the worst area, Lothian in
    Scotland, less than £1 a head was spent on these drugs in the over-65 population compared with
    more than £10 a head in Northern Ireland.

    Clioquinol should be much cheaper because it is no longer protected by a patent.

    Prana Technology, an Australian drug firm, provided clioquinol for the first small trial. Larger
    trials of the drug are expected to start shortly and will include British patients.

    Dr Ritchie said that animal studies had suggested that the drug might even reverse the progress of
    the dementia - something that current treatments are unable to do.

    "We know that in mice the disease was reversed. Everyone is excited but this was only a small
    trial and we have to do a larger trial. We think this drug will produce the same results in
    extended trials with humans. If we can get to them early, we might be able to treat patients and
    leave them with very little damage to their brain."

    One fear over the long-term use of clioquinol is that it may damage peripheral nerves and the
    nerves in the eye. Dr Ritchie said his team found no evidence of this during their trial.

    Dr Susanne Sorensen, the head of research at the Alzheimer's Society, said: "The UCL research
    suggests that there may be a novel use for this already existing drug in the treatment of
    Alzheimer's disease. But the trial is limited in its scale and we believe it would be valuable to
    see a larger scale trial.

    "The potential for new drugs that may interfere with or revert the progression of Alzheimer's
    disease gives hope to people with dementia and their carers."

    The plight of sufferers and their carers was brought home to millions two years ago when the film
    biography of the novelist Iris Murdoch was showered with awards for its touching and realistic
    portrayal of the writer's dementia.


    news.telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml
    sSheet=/news/2004/01/11/ixhome.html/news/2004/01/11/nalz11.xml

    Quoted message said:


    =====================================================================

    --Hua Kul [email hidden]

  3. Thanks for the info - but what's your point? In layman's terms please.

    "k p Collins" <kpaulc@[----------]earthlink.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If one takes action that indiscriminantly 'blocks' the normal functions of zinc and copper ions,
    then one is blocking more than the roles that these ions play in the formation of 'plaques'.

    In my view, Alsheimer's results from larger dynamics in which the 3-D energydynamics that
    'normally' focus selective addressing of the DNA-RNA are prematurely terminated, yielding incompletely-
    formed 'protein'-scraps that are what the "plaques" are.

    This's a classic instance of 'inability' to achieve sufficient TD E/I-minimization in which molecular-
    'level' 3-D energydynamics are prematurely- terminated be-cause TD E/I-minimization does not
    procede to 'completion' - it's a "pawling" [AoK, Ap5]deficit within the TD E/I-minimization mech-
    anisms as they are discussed in AoK.

    The treatment that will work will re-establish the normal DNA-RNA-tuning durations by re-establish-
    ing the 'normal' functional-scopes of TD E/I-mini- mization.

    Look for the "pawling" deficit, and its causes.

    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

    k. p. collins

    "Hua Kul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    (The following is from the thread



    groups.google.comgroups

    Quoted message said:


    .0308141829.d00f6d2%40posting.google.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%

    Quoted message said:


    3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dclioquinol%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26met

    Quoted message said:

    a%3Dgroup%253Dsci.life-extension)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Tim Tyler ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Copper & Alzheimer's Disease

    Quoted message said:

    A report of a previous study:

    Quoted message said:

    ``Research teams at Harvard Medical School, the University of


    Melbourne,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and Prana Biotechnology Ltd in Australia are working collaboratively


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    giving Alzheimer's-prone mice copper chelators, substances that sop


    up

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    metals and eliminate them from the body. These new metal-binding


    drugs

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    effectively "melted" the amyloid plaques in living mice in as little


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    nine weeks, and are now in clinical trials with Alzheimer's patients. Results of the first
    of these drugs, clioquinol, should be known within 12 months, and further trials of this
    approach are currently in preparation.''

    Quoted message said:

    - infoaging.orgd alz 9 r metals.html
    --


    __________

    Quoted message said:

    |im |yler timtyler.orgtimtyler.org [email hidden]

    Here is a small study indicating clioquinol virtually halted progression of moderate AD in
    humans.

    ====================================================================
    1: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1685-91. Related Articles, Links

    Comment in: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1678-9.

    Metal-protein attenuation with iodochlorhydroxyquin (clioquinol) targeting Abeta amyloid
    deposition and toxicity in Alzheimer disease: a pilot phase 2 clinical trial.

    Ritchie CW, Bush AI, Mackinnon A, Macfarlane S, Mastwyk M, MacGregor L, Kiers L, Cherny R, Li
    QX, Tammer A, Carrington D, Mavros C, Volitakis I, Xilinas M, Ames D, Davis S, Beyreuther K,
    Tanzi RE, Masters CL.

    Departments of Pathology, The University of Melbourne, The Mental Health Research Institute of
    Victoria, Parkville, Victoria, Australia.

    BACKGROUND: Alzheimer disease (AD) may be caused by the toxic accumulation of beta-amyloid
    (Abeta). OBJECTIVE: To test this theory, we developed a clinical intervention using clioquinol,
    a metal-protein-attenuating compound (MPAC) that inhibits zinc and copper ions from binding to
    Abeta, thereby promoting Abeta dissolution and diminishing its toxic properties. METHODS: A
    pilot phase 2 clinical trial in patients with moderately severe Alzheimer disease. RESULTS: Thirty-
    six subjects were randomized. The effect of treatment was significant in the more severely
    affected group (baseline cognitive subscale score of the Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale,

    Quoted message said:

    /=25), due to a substantial worsening of scores in those taking


    placebo compared with minimal deterioration for the clioquinol group. Plasma Abeta42 levels
    declined in the clioquinol group and increased in the placebo group. Plasma zinc levels rose in
    the clioquinol-treated group. The drug was well tolerated. CONCLUSION: Subject to the usual
    caveats inherent in studies with small sample size, this pilot phase 2 study supports further
    investigation of this novel treatment strategy using a metal-protein-attenuating compound.

    Publication Types: Clinical Trial Clinical Trial, Phase II Randomized Controlled Trial

    PMID: 14676042 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



    ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi

    Quoted message said:

    ds=14676042&dopt=Abstract

    Quoted message said:


    ======================================================================

    Here'a an article on the study.

    ===============================================================
    Drug used to treat athlete's foot 'slows down Alzheimer's' By Michael Day and Martyn Halle
    (Filed: 11/01/2004)

    A drug that is used in the treatment of athlete's foot could be used to treat Alzheimer's
    disease, according to a new study by British doctors.

    Iris Murdoch, who died in 1999, and her husband John Bayley The study, by a team from University
    College, London, found that clioquinol, a drug that is also used to treat ear infections and
    indigestion, can almost halt the progression of Alzheimer's.

    It discovered that clioquinol, which was developed 100 years ago, is able to absorb the zinc and
    copper atoms that concentrate in the brains of Alzheimer's sufferers before dementia sets in.

    Doctors believe that by absorbing these atoms, clioquinol can arrest the onset of dementia,
    potentially helping thousands of people.

    Dr Craig Ritchie, a psychiatrist at UCL and a Medical Research Council research fellow who led
    the trial, said that the results were "very exciting".

    "The patients on this trial had Alzheimer's that was mild to moderate, but there was very little
    change in their brains once they had started treatment," he said.

    "This drug could give your mind a chance to stay healthy as long as your body does. Particularly
    for patients who get this terrible disease in middle age, we need better treatments."

    The study was prompted by research at Melbourne University in Australia and Harvard University
    in the United States, which found that clioquinol could prevent zinc from building up on the
    surface of the brain.

    Academics from the universities speculated that by blocking zinc they could halt, and possibly
    reduce, the brain damage that causes Alzheimer's victims to lose their memory.

    To test their theory, the UCL doctors tested 13 Alzheimer's patients, giving them clioquinol
    over a nine-month period, and 13 other Alzheimer's sufferers who were given a placebo.

    The results, published in the Archives of Neurology, show that patients given clioquinol
    retained significantly more mental capacity than those who received the placebos. Dr Ritchie
    said that the patients taking clioquinol experienced a decline in their mental faculties of just
    1.4 per cent.

    "You would normally see a drop of four points or more in someone with Alzheimer's over the
    period of time we treated these patients," he added. "For those taking the placebo, their mental
    decline was 8.9 per cent. It's a very large gap and indicated that the drug was working."

    Alzheimer's affects one in 10 people over the age of 65, and almost half of those aged 85
    and over.

    The protective effect of clioquinol appears to be nearly twice as great as that of the latest
    generation of Alzheimer's drugs, such as donepezil, which are expensive and not always widely
    available.

    A survey by Pfizer, the drug company, revealed last week that the availability of treatments,
    which cost up to £100 a month, varied sharply across Britain. In the worst area, Lothian in
    Scotland, less than £1 a head was spent on these drugs in the over-65 population compared with
    more than £10 a head in Northern Ireland.

    Clioquinol should be much cheaper because it is no longer protected by a patent.

    Prana Technology, an Australian drug firm, provided clioquinol for the first small trial. Larger
    trials of the drug are expected to start shortly and will include British patients.

    Dr Ritchie said that animal studies had suggested that the drug might even reverse the progress
    of the dementia - something that current treatments are unable to do.

    "We know that in mice the disease was reversed. Everyone is excited but this was only a small
    trial and we have to do a larger trial. We think this drug will produce the same results in
    extended trials with humans. If we can get to them early, we might be able to treat patients and
    leave them with very little damage to their brain."

    One fear over the long-term use of clioquinol is that it may damage peripheral nerves and the
    nerves in the eye. Dr Ritchie said his team found no evidence of this during their trial.

    Dr Susanne Sorensen, the head of research at the Alzheimer's Society, said: "The UCL research
    suggests that there may be a novel use for this already existing drug in the treatment of
    Alzheimer's disease. But the trial is limited in its scale and we believe it would be valuable
    to see a larger scale trial.

    "The potential for new drugs that may interfere with or revert the progression of Alzheimer's
    disease gives hope to people with dementia and their carers."

    The plight of sufferers and their carers was brought home to millions two years ago when the
    film biography of the novelist Iris Murdoch was showered with awards for its touching and
    realistic portrayal of the writer's dementia.



    news.telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml

    Quoted message said:

    sSheet=/news/2004/01/11/ixhome.html/news/2004/01/11/nalz11.xml

    Quoted message said:


    =====================================================================

    --Hua Kul [email hidden]

  4. "k p Collins" <kpaulc@[----------]earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

    Apparently it did work.

    --Hua Kul

  5. I discussed a bit more [for folks who are familiar with other stuff that I've discussed], but the
    'main point' is that a generalized 'washing' of zinc and copper ions won't cure Alzheimer's - unless
    the occurrence of zinc and copper ions within the brain is, itself, due to a disease eleswhere. [I
    should have looked things up before I posted my reply, but I'm 'tired', and it doesn't actually make
    a difference, any- way.]

    Cheers, Suzanne, ken

    "Suzanne Gall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the info - but what's your point? In layman's terms please.

    "k p Collins" <kpaulc@[----------]earthlink.net> wrote in message
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    If one takes action that indiscriminantly 'blocks' the normal functions of zinc and copper ions,
    then one is blocking more than the roles that these ions play in the formation of 'plaques'.

    In my view, Alsheimer's results from larger dynamics in which the 3-D energydynamics that
    'normally' focus selective addressing of the DNA-RNA are prematurely terminated, yielding incompletely-
    formed 'protein'-scraps that are what the "plaques" are.

    This's a classic instance of 'inability' to achieve sufficient TD E/I-minimization in which molecular-
    'level' 3-D energydynamics are prematurely- terminated be-cause TD E/I-minimization does not
    procede to 'completion' - it's a "pawling" [AoK, Ap5]deficit within the TD E/I-minimization mech-
    anisms as they are discussed in AoK.

    The treatment that will work will re-establish the normal DNA-RNA-tuning durations by re-establish-
    ing the 'normal' functional-scopes of TD E/I-mini- mization.

    Look for the "pawling" deficit, and its causes.

    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

    k. p. collins

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    > Tim Tyler ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Copper & Alzheimer's Disease

    > A report of a previous study:

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    Melbourne,

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    > known within 12 months, and further trials of this approach are currently in
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    Here is a small study indicating clioquinol virtually halted progression of moderate AD in
    humans.

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    1: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1685-91. Related Articles, Links

    Comment in: Arch Neurol. 2003 Dec;60(12):1678-9.

    Metal-protein attenuation with iodochlorhydroxyquin (clioquinol) targeting Abeta amyloid
    deposition and toxicity in Alzheimer disease: a pilot phase 2 clinical trial.

    Ritchie CW, Bush AI, Mackinnon A, Macfarlane S, Mastwyk M, MacGregor L, Kiers L, Cherny R, Li
    QX, Tammer A, Carrington D, Mavros C, Volitakis I, Xilinas M, Ames D, Davis S, Beyreuther K,
    Tanzi RE, Masters CL.

    Departments of Pathology, The University of Melbourne, The Mental Health Research Institute of
    Victoria, Parkville, Victoria, Australia.

    BACKGROUND: Alzheimer disease (AD) may be caused by the toxic accumulation of beta-amyloid
    (Abeta). OBJECTIVE: To test this theory, we developed a clinical intervention using
    clioquinol, a metal-protein-attenuating compound (MPAC) that inhibits zinc and copper ions
    from binding to Abeta, thereby promoting Abeta dissolution and diminishing its toxic
    properties. METHODS: A pilot phase 2 clinical trial in patients with moderately severe
    Alzheimer disease. RESULTS: Thirty-six subjects were randomized. The effect of treatment was
    significant in the more severely affected group (baseline cognitive subscale score of the
    Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale,
    >/=25), due to a substantial worsening of scores in those taking
    placebo compared with minimal deterioration for the clioquinol group. Plasma Abeta42 levels
    declined in the clioquinol group and increased in the placebo group. Plasma zinc levels rose
    in the clioquinol-treated group. The drug was well tolerated. CONCLUSION: Subject to the usual
    caveats inherent in studies with small sample size, this pilot phase 2 study supports further
    investigation of this novel treatment strategy using a metal-protein-attenuating compound.

    Publication Types: Clinical Trial Clinical Trial, Phase II Randomized Controlled Trial

    PMID: 14676042 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




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    Here'a an article on the study.

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    Drug used to treat athlete's foot 'slows down Alzheimer's' By Michael Day and Martyn Halle
    (Filed: 11/01/2004)

    A drug that is used in the treatment of athlete's foot could be used to treat Alzheimer's
    disease, according to a new study by British doctors.

    Iris Murdoch, who died in 1999, and her husband John Bayley The study, by a team from
    University College, London, found that clioquinol, a drug that is also used to treat ear
    infections and indigestion, can almost halt the progression of Alzheimer's.

    It discovered that clioquinol, which was developed 100 years ago, is able to absorb the zinc
    and copper atoms that concentrate in the brains of Alzheimer's sufferers before dementia
    sets in.

    Doctors believe that by absorbing these atoms, clioquinol can arrest the onset of dementia,
    potentially helping thousands of people.

    Dr Craig Ritchie, a psychiatrist at UCL and a Medical Research Council research fellow who led
    the trial, said that the results were "very exciting".

    "The patients on this trial had Alzheimer's that was mild to moderate, but there was very
    little change in their brains once they had started treatment," he said.

    "This drug could give your mind a chance to stay healthy as long as your body does.
    Particularly for patients who get this terrible disease in middle age, we need better
    treatments."

    The study was prompted by research at Melbourne University in Australia and Harvard University
    in the United States, which found that clioquinol could prevent zinc from building up on the
    surface of the brain.

    Academics from the universities speculated that by blocking zinc they could halt, and possibly
    reduce, the brain damage that causes Alzheimer's victims to lose their memory.

    To test their theory, the UCL doctors tested 13 Alzheimer's patients, giving them clioquinol
    over a nine-month period, and 13 other Alzheimer's sufferers who were given a placebo.

    The results, published in the Archives of Neurology, show that patients given clioquinol
    retained significantly more mental capacity than those who received the placebos. Dr Ritchie
    said that the patients taking clioquinol experienced a decline in their mental faculties of
    just 1.4 per cent.

    "You would normally see a drop of four points or more in someone with Alzheimer's over the
    period of time we treated these patients," he added. "For those taking the placebo, their
    mental decline was 8.9 per cent. It's a very large gap and indicated that the drug was
    working."

    Alzheimer's affects one in 10 people over the age of 65, and almost half of those aged 85 and
    over.

    The protective effect of clioquinol appears to be nearly twice as great as that of the latest
    generation of Alzheimer's drugs, such as donepezil, which are expensive and not always widely
    available.

    A survey by Pfizer, the drug company, revealed last week that the availability of treatments,
    which cost up to £100 a month, varied sharply across Britain. In the worst area, Lothian in
    Scotland, less than £1 a head was spent on these drugs in the over-65 population compared with
    more than £10 a head in Northern Ireland.

    Clioquinol should be much cheaper because it is no longer protected by a patent.

    Prana Technology, an Australian drug firm, provided clioquinol for the first small trial.
    Larger trials of the drug are expected to start shortly and will include British patients.

    Dr Ritchie said that animal studies had suggested that the drug might even reverse the
    progress of the dementia - something that current treatments are unable to do.

    "We know that in mice the disease was reversed. Everyone is excited but this was only a small
    trial and we have to do a larger trial. We think this drug will produce the same results in
    extended trials with humans. If we can get to them early, we might be able to treat patients
    and leave them with very little damage to their brain."

    One fear over the long-term use of clioquinol is that it may damage peripheral nerves and the
    nerves in the eye. Dr Ritchie said his team found no evidence of this during their trial.

    Dr Susanne Sorensen, the head of research at the Alzheimer's Society, said: "The UCL research
    suggests that there may be a novel use for this already existing drug in the treatment of
    Alzheimer's disease. But the trial is limited in its scale and we believe it would be valuable
    to see a larger scale trial.

    "The potential for new drugs that may interfere with or revert the progression of Alzheimer's
    disease gives hope to people with dementia and their carers."

    The plight of sufferers and their carers was brought home to millions two years ago when the
    film biography of the novelist Iris Murdoch was showered with awards for its touching and
    realistic portrayal of the writer's dementia.




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  6. Cross-posted again.

    Forgive me, please, if I await further information.

    [Unless you can tell me that zinc and copper ions are not normal constituents of the brain.]

    k. p. collins

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    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

    Apparently it did work.

    --Hua Kul

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    Cross-posted again.

    Forgive me, please, if I await further information.

    [Unless you can tell me that zinc and copper ions are not normal constituents of the brain.]

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    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

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    Apparently it did work.

    The abstract alone states this; however, it only mentions a decrease in one of the markers
    (Abeta42). I think we agree that chelation of divalent ions is not a good thing. Nevermind the fact
    that it's only a study of 36 subjects.

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    Cross-posted again.

    Forgive me, please, if I await further information.

    [Unless you can tell me that zinc and copper ions are not normal constituents of the brain.]

    k. p. collins

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    Blanket-blocking of this or that ion's action will not work.

    Apparently it did work.

    --Hua Kul

    Hi,
    K. P., apparently you have misunderstood the peer reviewed paper. Whenever such an abstract
    accompanies a popular press article, give it more attention. Only the pop article speaks of
    anything that could be interpreted as "blanket-blocking". The abstract clearly referes to a
    specific amyloid-ion effect. I will also give you another little hint that could be quite
    useful in furthering your general medical understanding. Theoretical molecular
    considerations, espeacially the dubious type your seem to place such stock in, must always
    take a back seat to clinical trials, even small phase II ones. If I had Alzheimer's, I would
    be on this Clioquinol like a duck on a June bug, while awaiting further studies. I will
    never understand why people have so much trouble appreciating the value of good
    "risk/benefit" analysis.

    Thomas

  9. The major research paper to this study can be found at:
    pranabio.commajor published papers.asp

  10. RArmant said:

    The major research paper to this study can be found at:
    pranabio.commajor published papers.asp

    Only the more severely affected patients in a limited pilot Phase 2 clinical trial benefitted from
    the treatment. This is a potentially very usefule and important development, but it is a far cry
    from the subject line of this post: "Clioquinol STOPS Alzheimer's disease"!

    The unwary reader may easily get a very wrong impression.

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