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  1. I'm not sure how this could be done -- maybe a small liquid ring pump
    -- but the bike pump needs to be in the hub with a 1 mm diameter line
    connected to the valve stem.

    There should be no rolling resistance from the pump as long as the
    tire is properly inflated but once the pressure drops the hub pump
    kicks on and slowly brings the pressure back up. Once the tire is
    properly inflated the pump disables and no longer saps power from the
    wheel.

    A manual over ride would allow the pump to be turned on only at
    certain times, i. e., during braking or going downhill.

    This wouldn't work if you hit a mesquite or palm thorn -- the pump
    needs to be small and light and will have a low volumetric flow rate
    -- but it should eliminate 80% of the other flats which tend to be
    slow leaks.

    Bret Cahill

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bret Cahill said:

    This wouldn't work if you hit a mesquite or palm thorn -- the pump
    needs to be small and light and will have a low volumetric flow rate
    -- but it should eliminate 80% of the other flats which tend to be
    slow leaks.

    You must get a lot of slow leaks. The majority of my flats result in
    fairly rapid air loss- within a few minutes if not almost immediately.

  3. Bret Cahill said:

    I'm not sure how this could be done -- maybe a small liquid ring pump --
    but the bike pump needs to be in the hub with a 1 mm diameter line
    connected to the valve stem.

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/interbike02.html

    Scroll down to "IRC Self Pumping Hub."

  4. Quoted message said:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/interbike02.html

    Quoted message said:

    Scroll down to "IRC Self Pumping Hub."

    They need to get it into bike shops.

    NOW.

    Bret Cahill

  5. Quoted message said:

    You must get a lot of slow leaks.  The majority of my flats result in
    fairly rapid air loss- within a few minutes if not almost immediately.

    Well it might put out enough to reinflate every few minutes,
    especially if it is a small tire.

    Broken bottles, etc. won't give you a few minutes

    Bret Cahill

  6. Gary Young said:
    Bret Cahill said:

    I'm not sure how this could be done -- maybe a small liquid ring pump --
    but the bike pump needs to be in the hub with a 1 mm diameter line
    connected to the valve stem.

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/interbike02.html

    Scroll down to "IRC Self Pumping Hub."

    I have a picture of a "Skinner Automatic Pump" exactly as described.
    It's dated 1900.

    Jeff

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This wouldn't work if you hit a mesquite or palm thorn -- the pump
    needs to be small and light and will have a low volumetric flow rate
    -- but it should eliminate 80% of the other flats which tend to be
    slow leaks.

    You must get a lot of slow leaks.  The majority of my flats result in
    fairly rapid air loss- within a few minutes if not almost immediately.

    The goal is to make cycling more people friendly. It's for the
    people who buy a bicycle, get a flat and park it in the garage and the
    bad experience discourages them from ever riding again.

    The people here might not be representative of the larger population.

    Bret Cahill

  8. "Bret Cahill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    You must get a lot of slow leaks. The majority of my flats result in
    fairly rapid air loss- within a few minutes if not almost immediately.

    The goal is to make cycling more people friendly. It's for the
    people who buy a bicycle, get a flat and park it in the garage and the
    bad experience discourages them from ever riding again.

    If people get discouraged from a flat they should not take up bicycling. If
    you get a flat it has to be repaired. Topping of a flat doesn't work. A slow
    leak is rare.

    The people here might not be representative of the larger population.

    So the larger population is too lazy to use a floor pump once in a while?

    Lou

  9. Bret Cahill said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This wouldn't work if you hit a mesquite or palm thorn -- the pump
    needs to be small and light and will have a low volumetric flow rate
    -- but it should eliminate 80% of the other flats which tend to be
    slow leaks.


    You must get a lot of slow leaks. �The majority of my flats result in
    fairly rapid air loss- within a few minutes if not almost immediately.

    The goal is to make cycling more people friendly. It's for the
    people who buy a bicycle, get a flat and park it in the garage and the
    bad experience discourages them from ever riding again.

    The people here might not be representative of the larger population.

    Some of us do get larger in winter though

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  10. Quoted message said:

    So the larger population is too lazy to use a floor pump once in a while?

    Everyone doesn't want to program in machine language either but that
    doesn't mean there isn't a market for something like Windows . . .

    Bret Cahill

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/interbike02.html

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Scroll down to "IRC Self Pumping Hub."

    Quoted message said:

    I have a picture of a "Skinner Automatic Pump" exactly as described.
    It's dated 1900.

    Most bikes don't need more than a few psi to get home. A few cheap
    small diaphram pumps on a large flange could be powered by rollers on
    the forks or chain stays.

    A cable could disengage it completely so there's no rolling
    resistance.

    Bret Cahill

  12. Bret Cahill said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This wouldn't work if you hit a mesquite or palm thorn -- the pump
    needs to be small and light and will have a low volumetric flow rate
    -- but it should eliminate 80% of the other flats which tend to be
    slow leaks.

    You must get a lot of slow leaks. he majority of my flats result in
    fairly rapid air loss- within a few minutes if not almost immediately.

    The goal is to make cycling more people friendly. It's for the
    people who buy a bicycle, get a flat and park it in the garage and the
    bad experience discourages them from ever riding again.

    I suspect some sort of airless tire is a better solution for those
    folks - they won't mind the performance hit, and won't have to worry
    about (what has to be...) a finicky hub-mounted air pump and
    connections.

    I've been thinking about the "auto-pump concept", and don't think it's
    likely to ever be viable in this day and age. Think about it -
    suddenly if you crash due to a flat, you can blame over-pressure from
    the hub-mounted pump (and sue the manufacturer). If you design the
    pump so that the maximum pressure is appropriate for the tire, then as
    it wears, that pressure will decrease (and the tires will get
    progressively softer). Seems like a non-starter (though it is a cool
    nerdy must-have if it really existed). ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    The people here might not be representative of the larger population.

    I'd say that's very clear! ;-)

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

  13. I'm working on a 30 kW / 100 lb genset so your Prius can haul a boat
    up a mountain, but just in case I fail, we need to make cycling people
    friendly.

    Bret Cahill

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