HRM wierdness

did it stick around 198 for a while? If so undoutedly correct, if not maybe an erroneous reading.

After years of runnning I have found there any specific sessions which will get my HR up high.

At the end of the day your actual MHR isn't really desperately important as long as you know what it
is roughly.

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Recently, I posted the results of running at 5 miles 9:00 pace, with the

HRM.

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I was quite disturbed to find my heart rate into the 160s, as I believed

that

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my max heart rate was about 192 (the highest I'd ever clocked before was

189

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during interval work)

Well I did my interval workout (1200s at 6:00/mile pace) today, and my

heart

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rate went up to 198. I'm not sure what's going on -- does this mean I'm 22

now

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? I was under the impression that MHR didn't change with training. Are

there

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other factors that can affect MHR ? Caffeine, weather, etc ? I checked my HRMs measurements
against the treadmill, and they were more or less

exactly

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the same (+- 1 bpm)

Cheers,
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"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Recently, I posted the results of running at 5 miles 9:00 pace, with the

HRM.

Quoted message said:

I was quite disturbed to find my heart rate into the 160s, as I believed

that

Quoted message said:

my max heart rate was about 192 (the highest I'd ever clocked before was

189

Quoted message said:

during interval work)

Well I did my interval workout (1200s at 6:00/mile pace) today, and my

heart

Quoted message said:

rate went up to 198. I'm not sure what's going on -- does this mean I'm 22

now

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? I was under the impression that MHR didn't change with training. Are

there

MHR does not change with training, but your ability to push yourself towards MHR is improved with
training. I suspect that your MHR is higher than you previously thought. Sadly this does not make
you any younger.

-Chris

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did it stick around 198 for a while? If so undoutedly correct, if not maybe an erroneous reading.

Yeah, it wasn't a sporadic bump or anything.

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After years of runnning I have found there any specific sessions which will get my HR up high.

At the end of the day your actual MHR isn't really desperately important as long as you know what
it is roughly.

OK, thanks for the tips.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Recently, I posted the results of running at 5 miles 9:00 pace, with the HRM. I was quite disturbed
to find my heart rate into the 160s, as I believed that my max heart rate was about 192 (the
highest I'd ever clocked before was 189 during interval work)

Well I did my interval workout (1200s at 6:00/mile pace) today, and my heart rate went up to 198.
I'm not sure what's going on -- does this mean I'm 22 now ? I was under the impression that MHR
didn't change with training. Are there other factors that can affect MHR ? Caffeine, weather, etc ?
I checked my HRMs measurements against the treadmill, and they were more or less exactly the same
(+- 1 bpm)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi

In a laboratory, your MHR does not go up with training (and as Sam has pointed out it can go down
with training), but in the real world there are things that can go bump in the night:

Overreaching/overtraining can make MHR unreachable, so being fully recovered prior to measuring MHR
is important, i.e., your recovery status in the prior max.

Heart rate drift, which is due to dehydration, can make HR go up. I'm not sure whether this can make
it go above "max" or not.

Running the last lap of the last interval as hard as possible (which is what I do when I check it)
can result in a higher max than if the last interval is run at VO2max pace. Optimal VO2 max training
pace is slightly lower than max.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Well I did my interval workout (1200s at 6:00/mile pace) today, and my heart rate went up to 198.

Mine hit 180bpm, for a 185 max, for 5 minutes this evening, when I was "only" running at 4'50/km
(7'47/mile). At that pace it usually gives me around 135-140bpm.

It was due to a classic combination of bad contact with the chest strap because it was cold (so less
perspiration) and the two layers of synthetic garments caused static interference (older Polar chest
straps are sensitive to that).

ok by #'s my maxHR was 192 ... running it was 200 did it change ? no,like lifting weights u can not
lift 800 now but with traing u can reach 800 ,, then max out your HR did not change but u r able to
reach a max ,,, is it THE max ,,, if you can go higher then no hell i am 36 and i hit 200 ,,, but i
know i can hit higher plodzilla

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Recently, I posted the results of running at 5 miles 9:00 pace, with the HRM. I was quite
disturbed to find my heart rate into the 160s, as I believed that my max heart rate was about 192
(the highest I'd ever clocked before was 189 during interval work)

Well I did my interval workout (1200s at 6:00/mile pace) today, and my heart rate went up to 198.
I'm not sure what's going on -- does this mean I'm 22 now ? I was under the impression that MHR
didn't change with training. Are there other factors that can affect MHR ? Caffeine, weather, etc
? I checked my HRMs measurements against the treadmill, and they were more or less exactly the
same (+- 1 bpm)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

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Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote:

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In a laboratory, your MHR does not go up with training (and as Sam has pointed out it can go down
with training), but in the real world there are things that can go bump in the night:

Overreaching/overtraining can make MHR unreachable, so being fully recovered prior to measuring
MHR is important, i.e., your recovery status in the prior max.

I think this is probably it -- I've recently cut my training volume back a long way because of
moderate but very persistent achilles tendon problems. By the time I ran my first test, I was
already on a fairly large training load, though I remember being surprised that my MHR was only 190
(I remember it being very high in my early 20s, well over 200).

The more perspective I get on this, the more I'm starting to think that in the big scheme of things,
perhaps my AT problems aren't such a bad thing.

Thanks for the insights,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

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MHR does not change with training

Messy statement. I know what you mean, but exercise physiologists will argue over this until the
cows come home.

Form personal experience it actually comes down not up. Take today I did the South of England
relay with a leg over 5 miles. I ran way better than last year yet my max pulse was only 173
whereas it was the high 180s in a similar race a year when I was much less fit (about 1 minute
over 5 miles less fit)

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but your ability to push yourself towards MHR is improved with training.

Don't agree with that necessarily. What you train yourself to do is to hold velocity around
threshold for longer. When unfit you go straight threshold and max out very quickly as Roger rightly
says in his example below. I think that is always why a lot of "beginner" runners seem to record
very high heart rates nearly every time out and have difficulty keeping their pulse down without
having to stop.

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Have an untrained individual do 200m hill repeats until they vomit, and you'll probably record a
HR you'll never again see in them once they're trained. You'd also put them at some risk of a
cardiac event, but hell,

it

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would prove my point.

Yeah would definitely agree with that. In recent years I have only got my HR up really high after a
period out with injury/illness. Of course my HR might have been high but unfortunately the speed I
was going at was not...

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I suspect that your MHR is higher than you previously thought.

True.

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Sadly this does not make you any younger.

True.