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  1. I have been running since last fall and really want to learn better the
    science behind my training regimen. Here is my understanding and I would
    like your feeedback:

    - You start with a maximum HR
    - Based on your MAX HR, you have zones and within each zone, different types
    of enegy are used as fuel
    - Endurance athletes train their bodies to use fat as the primary fuel
    source for most of their event sice fat is the most efficient fuel source
    - You start by having a good training base with lots of very slow long runs
    to build more capillaries
    - With some continued base training, you increase your anaerobic threshold
    by adding speed work
    - Speed work helps to push your anaerobic threshold to a higher HR so you
    can stay in your aerobic fat-buring zone longer, thereby being more
    efficient

    Does that sum it up?

    I'd love to hear your feedback and web page and book recommnedations.

    Many thanks!

  2. Almost, yes the primary source of fuel is fat but it is not the body's
    most efficient fuel. Carbohydrates are the most efficient, this is
    burned during aerobic activity. This can only be done for very short
    periods of time. And yes, triathletes spend most of their time
    training to increase the efficiency and power of their anaerobic
    threshold. They only want to dip into those Aerobic/Carbohydrate
    stores in crucial moments. As far as fatburning zone that is your
    anaerobic where your body is burning fat at the cellular level.

    When the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic it is by-passing the
    external oxygen phase. Anaerobically, your body uses the oxygen taken
    from your lunges to burn fuel. Aerobically, it skips this process and
    pulls straight from the oxygen already supplied in the blood stream.
    Since this source is limited, it can only be done for a short period
    of time. Hope this helps. I'm fairly new to all this tri-stuff and
    love getting information so keep the info flowing.

    Don't forget to train your weakness and good luck.

    Paul said:

    I have been running since last fall and really want to learn better the
    science behind my training regimen. Here is my understanding and I would
    like your feeedback:

    - You start with a maximum HR
    - Based on your MAX HR, you have zones and within each zone, different types
    of enegy are used as fuel
    - Endurance athletes train their bodies to use fat as the primary fuel
    source for most of their event sice fat is the most efficient fuel source
    - You start by having a good training base with lots of very slow long runs
    to build more capillaries
    - With some continued base training, you increase your anaerobic threshold
    by adding speed work
    - Speed work helps to push your anaerobic threshold to a higher HR so you
    can stay in your aerobic fat-buring zone longer, thereby being more
    efficient

    Does that sum it up?

    I'd love to hear your feedback and web page and book recommnedations.

    Many thanks!

  3. Are you saying that the body can operate aerobically for only short periods
    of time and anaerobically for longer periods to of time?

    "TriVortex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Almost, yes the primary source of fuel is fat but it is not the body's
    most efficient fuel. Carbohydrates are the most efficient, this is
    burned during aerobic activity. This can only be done for very short
    periods of time. And yes, triathletes spend most of their time
    training to increase the efficiency and power of their anaerobic
    threshold. They only want to dip into those Aerobic/Carbohydrate
    stores in crucial moments. As far as fatburning zone that is your
    anaerobic where your body is burning fat at the cellular level.

    When the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic it is by-passing the
    external oxygen phase. Anaerobically, your body uses the oxygen taken
    from your lunges to burn fuel. Aerobically, it skips this process and
    pulls straight from the oxygen already supplied in the blood stream.
    Since this source is limited, it can only be done for a short period
    of time. Hope this helps. I'm fairly new to all this tri-stuff and
    love getting information so keep the info flowing.

    Don't forget to train your weakness and good luck.

    Paul said:

    I have been running since last fall and really want to learn better the
    science behind my training regimen. Here is my understanding and I would
    like your feeedback:

    - You start with a maximum HR
    - Based on your MAX HR, you have zones and within each zone, different
    types
    of enegy are used as fuel
    - Endurance athletes train their bodies to use fat as the primary fuel
    source for most of their event sice fat is the most efficient fuel source
    - You start by having a good training base with lots of very slow long
    runs
    to build more capillaries
    - With some continued base training, you increase your anaerobic
    threshold
    by adding speed work
    - Speed work helps to push your anaerobic threshold to a higher HR so you
    can stay in your aerobic fat-buring zone longer, thereby being more
    efficient

    Does that sum it up?

    I'd love to hear your feedback and web page and book recommnedations.

    Many thanks!

  4. Aerobic burns fat, anaerobic burns glucose. Aerobic is that "go on
    forever" type zone, while anaerobic is harder to sustain because you
    are burning glucose for fuel. You want to train near your lactate
    threshold (the border between the sustainable aerobic zone and the not-
    so-sustainable anaerobic zone) to push your body's ability to burn fat
    instead of glucose.

    Hope that shines some light on the confusion!
    Candice

    Paul said:

    Are you saying that the body can operate aerobically for only short periods
    of time and anaerobically for longer periods to of time?

    "TriVortex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Almost, yes the primary source of fuel is fat but it is not the body's
    most efficient fuel. Carbohydrates are the most efficient, this is
    burned during aerobic activity. This can only be done for very short
    periods of time. And yes, triathletes spend most of their time
    training to increase the efficiency and power of their anaerobic
    threshold. They only want to dip into those Aerobic/Carbohydrate
    stores in crucial moments. As far as fatburning zone that is your
    anaerobic where your body is burning fat at the cellular level.

    Quoted message said:

    When the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic it is by-passing the
    external oxygen phase. Anaerobically, your body uses the oxygen taken
    from your lunges to burn fuel. Aerobically, it skips this process and
    pulls straight from the oxygen already supplied in the blood stream.
    Since this source is limited, it can only be done for a short period
    of time. Hope this helps. I'm fairly new to all this tri-stuff and
    love getting information so keep the info flowing.

    Quoted message said:

    Don't forget to train your weakness and good luck.

  5. Thanks - that's what I thought but seems contrary to what Trivortex is
    aying - maybe I misunderstood his nomenclature

    "Casey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Aerobic burns fat, anaerobic burns glucose. Aerobic is that "go on
    forever" type zone, while anaerobic is harder to sustain because you
    are burning glucose for fuel. You want to train near your lactate
    threshold (the border between the sustainable aerobic zone and the not-
    so-sustainable anaerobic zone) to push your body's ability to burn fat
    instead of glucose.

    Hope that shines some light on the confusion!
    Candice

    Paul said:

    Are you saying that the body can operate aerobically for only short
    periods
    of time and anaerobically for longer periods to of time?

    "TriVortex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Almost, yes the primary source of fuel is fat but it is not the body's
    most efficient fuel. Carbohydrates are the most efficient, this is
    burned during aerobic activity. This can only be done for very short
    periods of time. And yes, triathletes spend most of their time
    training to increase the efficiency and power of their anaerobic
    threshold. They only want to dip into those Aerobic/Carbohydrate
    stores in crucial moments. As far as fatburning zone that is your
    anaerobic where your body is burning fat at the cellular level.

    Quoted message said:

    When the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic it is by-passing the
    external oxygen phase. Anaerobically, your body uses the oxygen taken
    from your lunges to burn fuel. Aerobically, it skips this process and
    pulls straight from the oxygen already supplied in the blood stream.
    Since this source is limited, it can only be done for a short period
    of time. Hope this helps. I'm fairly new to all this tri-stuff and
    love getting information so keep the info flowing.

    Quoted message said:

    Don't forget to train your weakness and good luck.

  6. I think Trivortex has misunderstood something.

    You are on track.

    Paul said:

    Thanks - that's what I thought but seems contrary to what Trivortex is
    aying - maybe I misunderstood his nomenclature

    "Casey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Aerobic burns fat, anaerobic burns glucose. Aerobic is that "go on
    forever" type zone, while anaerobic is harder to sustain because you
    are burning glucose for fuel. You want to train near your lactate
    threshold (the border between the sustainable aerobic zone and the not-
    so-sustainable anaerobic zone) to push your body's ability to burn fat
    instead of glucose.

    Hope that shines some light on the confusion!
    Candice

    Paul said:

    Are you saying that the body can operate aerobically for only short
    periods
    of time and anaerobically for longer periods to of time?

    "TriVortex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    > Almost, yes the primary source of fuel is fat but it is not the body's
    > most efficient fuel. Carbohydrates are the most efficient, this is
    > burned during aerobic activity. This can only be done for very short
    > periods of time. And yes, triathletes spend most of their time
    > training to increase the efficiency and power of their anaerobic
    > threshold. They only want to dip into those Aerobic/Carbohydrate
    > stores in crucial moments. As far as fatburning zone that is your
    > anaerobic where your body is burning fat at the cellular level.
    > When the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic it is by-passing the
    > external oxygen phase. Anaerobically, your body uses the oxygen taken
    > from your lunges to burn fuel. Aerobically, it skips this process and
    > pulls straight from the oxygen already supplied in the blood stream.
    > Since this source is limited, it can only be done for a short period
    > of time. Hope this helps. I'm fairly new to all this tri-stuff and
    > love getting information so keep the info flowing.
    > Don't forget to train your weakness and good luck.

  7. thanks.

    "Triathlete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:7xOVh.97958$DE1.73355@pd7urf2no...

    Quoted message said:

    I think Trivortex has misunderstood something.

    You are on track.

    Paul said:

    Thanks - that's what I thought but seems contrary to what Trivortex is
    aying - maybe I misunderstood his nomenclature

    "Casey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Aerobic burns fat, anaerobic burns glucose. Aerobic is that "go on
    forever" type zone, while anaerobic is harder to sustain because you
    are burning glucose for fuel. You want to train near your lactate
    threshold (the border between the sustainable aerobic zone and the not-
    so-sustainable anaerobic zone) to push your body's ability to burn fat
    instead of glucose.

    Hope that shines some light on the confusion!
    Candice

    On Apr 17, 7:49 am, "Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Are you saying that the body can operate aerobically for only short
    > periods
    > of time and anaerobically for longer periods to of time?
    >
    > "TriVortex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >
    >> Almost, yes the primary source of fuel is fat but it is not the body's
    >> most efficient fuel. Carbohydrates are the most efficient, this is
    >> burned during aerobic activity. This can only be done for very short
    >> periods of time. And yes, triathletes spend most of their time
    >> training to increase the efficiency and power of their anaerobic
    >> threshold. They only want to dip into those Aerobic/Carbohydrate
    >> stores in crucial moments. As far as fatburning zone that is your
    >> anaerobic where your body is burning fat at the cellular level.
    >> When the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic it is by-passing the
    >> external oxygen phase. Anaerobically, your body uses the oxygen taken
    >> from your lunges to burn fuel. Aerobically, it skips this process and
    >> pulls straight from the oxygen already supplied in the blood stream.
    >> Since this source is limited, it can only be done for a short period
    >> of time. Hope this helps. I'm fairly new to all this tri-stuff and
    >> love getting information so keep the info flowing.
    >> Don't forget to train your weakness and good luck.


  8. Paul said:

    I have been running since last fall and really want to learn better the
    science behind my training regimen. Here is my understanding and I would
    like your feeedback:

    - You start with a maximum HR
    - Based on your MAX HR, you have zones and within each zone, different types
    of enegy are used as fuel
    - Endurance athletes train their bodies to use fat as the primary fuel
    source for most of their event sice fat is the most efficient fuel source
    - You start by having a good training base with lots of very slow long runs
    to build more capillaries
    - With some continued base training, you increase your anaerobic threshold
    by adding speed work
    - Speed work helps to push your anaerobic threshold to a higher HR so you
    can stay in your aerobic fat-buring zone longer, thereby being more
    efficient

    Does that sum it up?

    I'd love to hear your feedback and web page and book recommnedations.

    Many thanks!

    There are a few points that I am unsure of.
    I thought that fat was hard on your body to burn because it is unclean?

    However, fat is the major fuel source for foundation training and
    aerobic training (although you do burn carbs at a high amount as well,
    which is why Carmichael recommends taking gels or sports drinks so that
    you can continue to run, to burn more fat. You need carbs to burn fat.

    I will have to get back to you on this one when I have a bit more time.

    How is your training going?

  9. Hi tri:

    Training is going really well. I did a 1/2 marathon a few weeks ago and am
    back into full tri training. I got a little sciatica and am having to take
    a few days off for that but will back in a couple of days like new, I hope.
    Thanks for asking!

    I started reading the "Lore Of Running" which is probably more than what I
    wanted but it appears to include what I wanted to learn - fuel burning,
    metabolism, the reasoning behind cetain training reginmens,...

    Thanks.

  10. Paul said:

    Hi tri:

    Training is going really well. I did a 1/2 marathon a few weeks ago and am
    back into full tri training. I got a little sciatica and am having to take
    a few days off for that but will back in a couple of days like new, I hope.
    Thanks for asking!

    I started reading the "Lore Of Running" which is probably more than what I
    wanted but it appears to include what I wanted to learn - fuel burning,
    metabolism, the reasoning behind cetain training reginmens,...

    Thanks.

    Hi Paul, I haven't heard of the book "Lore of Running", thanks for the info.

    I had a bit of a problem since we last talked, but I am finally healed
    now. It took a lot of time away. I believe it came from working out with
    cold muscles and stretching while cold.

    How did your half marathon go?

  11. "Triathlete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:7RgXh.121392$DE1.29607@pd7urf2no...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul said:

    Hi tri:

    Training is going really well. I did a 1/2 marathon a few weeks ago and
    am back into full tri training. I got a little sciatica and am having to
    take a few days off for that but will back in a couple of days like new,
    I hope. Thanks for asking!

    I started reading the "Lore Of Running" which is probably more than what
    I wanted but it appears to include what I wanted to learn - fuel burning,
    metabolism, the reasoning behind cetain training reginmens,...

    Thanks.

    Hi Paul, I haven't heard of the book "Lore of Running", thanks for the
    info.

    I had a bit of a problem since we last talked, but I am finally healed
    now. It took a lot of time away. I believe it came from working out with
    cold muscles and stretching while cold.

    How did your half marathon go?

    1/2 marathon went fine - I finished which was my goal, my average pace was
    something like 10:36. The main difference was I had been training on flat
    trails and this course was ANYTHING but flat - lots of hills. Which I was
    not used to. I was not used running downhill and may have jammed my back
    for which I am seeing a physical therapist today. I am going to tell her I
    am willing to do anything that will keep me in training. I REALLY do not
    want to lay off and have to start all over again - I get so discouraged when
    that has happened in tha past. Since I am training for two triathlons this
    summer, it would bascially force me to cancel at least the first one if I
    have to stop running for a while.

    Sorry for complaining, I know injuries are sometimes just part of the deal
    and they never come at a convenient time. Hopefully, I will be able to
    continue and have learned a lesson - whatever that lesson is.

    Thanks for asking.

  12. Paul said:

    "Triathlete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:7RgXh.121392$DE1.29607@pd7urf2no...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul said:

    Hi tri:

    Training is going really well. I did a 1/2 marathon a few weeks ago and
    am back into full tri training. I got a little sciatica and am having to
    take a few days off for that but will back in a couple of days like new,
    I hope. Thanks for asking!

    I started reading the "Lore Of Running" which is probably more than what
    I wanted but it appears to include what I wanted to learn - fuel burning,
    metabolism, the reasoning behind cetain training reginmens,...

    Thanks.


    Hi Paul, I haven't heard of the book "Lore of Running", thanks for the
    info.

    I had a bit of a problem since we last talked, but I am finally healed
    now. It took a lot of time away. I believe it came from working out with
    cold muscles and stretching while cold.

    How did your half marathon go?

    1/2 marathon went fine - I finished which was my goal, my average pace was
    something like 10:36. The main difference was I had been training on flat
    trails and this course was ANYTHING but flat - lots of hills. Which I was
    not used to. I was not used running downhill and may have jammed my back
    for which I am seeing a physical therapist today. I am going to tell her I
    am willing to do anything that will keep me in training. I REALLY do not
    want to lay off and have to start all over again - I get so discouraged when
    that has happened in tha past. Since I am training for two triathlons this
    summer, it would bascially force me to cancel at least the first one if I
    have to stop running for a while.

    Sorry for complaining, I know injuries are sometimes just part of the deal
    and they never come at a convenient time. Hopefully, I will be able to
    continue and have learned a lesson - whatever that lesson is.

    Thanks for asking.

    I am here for you, I am happy to be able to share experiences with you.
    I understand your feeling, as I had to cancel my triathlon last week.

    I feel that things are better now, I did see a massage therapist and I
    did my own work on it (with the stick), and mental visualizations, as
    well as a few physiotherapist sessions.

    Have you tired EFT Emotional Freedom Techniques? They might help you out
    as well, knowing that you have trained for something and actually
    deserve to tri. 😄

  13. Good news, went to prhysical therapist and I start back training today.

  14. Paul said:

    Good news, went to prhysical therapist and I start back training today.


    That is good news!

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