HR-High during race

In article said:

Hey rec.running group,

I have raced my first half marathon distance this weekend in Amsterdam. I was wearing my
polar s610i and recorded the whole race. I had the display taped so I couldn't read my HR
during the race.

When I got home, very excited about my time 1.36.10 and plugged the polar in the computer. The
graph was really flat, at an average of
193. My all time HR-Max is 204. I was amazed by the fact that I could race more the an hour an a
half, at 93% of my max.

Is this normal, and should I increase the intensity of my normal runs? I now run them at a max of
155 about 75% Hr-Max.

I hope someone can tell me I'm not that strange a case....

Heart rate is just a proxy for oxygen uptake. There are a lot of things that can increase heart rate
that don't have anythign to do with oxygen uptake, so it's a good thing you taped your display.

Regarding training paces, you should probably do this by speed, not heart rate. Based on that half
marathon time, you should probably do your training runs at 8:30 minutes per mile or slower if you
like. There's not much to be gained by speeding up training runs too much -- when you run fast, you
should really run fast, for you around 7:10 or faster.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article said:

Hey rec.running group,

I have raced my first half marathon distance this weekend in Amsterdam. I was wearing my
polar s610i and recorded the whole race. I had the display taped so I couldn't read my HR
during the race.

When I got home, very excited about my time 1.36.10 and plugged the polar in the computer. The
graph was really flat, at an average of
193. My all time HR-Max is 204. I was amazed by the fact that I could race more the an hour an a
half, at 93% of my max.

Is this normal, and should I increase the intensity of my normal runs? I now run them at a max of
155 about 75% Hr-Max.

I hope someone can tell me I'm not that strange a case....

Quoted message said:

Heart rate is just a proxy for oxygen uptake. There are a lot of things that can increase heart
rate that don't have anythign to do with oxygen uptake, so it's a good thing you taped your
display.

Quoted message said:

Regarding training paces, you should probably do this by speed, not heart rate. Based on that half
marathon time, you should probably do your training runs at 8:30 minutes per mile or slower if you
like. There's not much to be gained by speeding up training runs too much -- when you run fast,
you should really run fast, for you around 7:10 or faster.

Quoted message said:

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

---Sustaining a HR that close to your max eludes that you are in pretty good shape...Few people
can sustain such a high effort that long. Out of curiousity, were your splits even? That would be
an even better indicator combined with the HR. Most people do their everyday runs too fast. I
wouldn't speed up. Do the actual workouts faster maybe, but not your everyday distance runs. These
should probably be at a HR of 135-145. Donovan is right that HR is not always the right way to
guage training pace...it works great in cool weather on flat terrain, but is unreliable on hills
or when it gets hot. Just make sure your easy days are truly easy and work hard on the harder
days. ANdy Hass

Andy - my experience is similar to Chichi's. My HR for my last 'thon was more or less a straight
line at 160 - 163, tailing off to the mid to high 150s during my disastrous final 10k. The highest I
get to on the track is about 174. My normal training runs are about 137 - 145, with 150 up the hilly
bits. Tempo runs (5 mins per k, or 8 minute miling) see me hitting about 155 max, mainly 150-ish.
Something seems to happen to me during races, especially 'thons. In theory there is no way I should
be able to sustain 160-odd for nearly four hours. In training it takes me 5k to hit my goal HR on
easy runs. In a 'thon I'm up there within two minutes of the gun. Now, next time I am going to see
if i can hold my HR down to about 140 for the whole marathon. Mind you, I said that last time, too
... (Incidentally I am 49 years old. I leave you to do the WHR maths!) Jonathan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Chichi

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Hey rec.running group,

I have raced my first half marathon distance this weekend in Amsterdam. I was wearing my polar
s610i and recorded the whole race. I had the display taped so I couldn't read my HR during the
race.

When I got home, very excited about my time 1.36.10 and plugged the polar in the computer. The
graph was really flat, at an average of
193. My all time HR-Max is 204. I was amazed by the fact that I could race more the an hour an
a half, at 93% of my max.

Is this normal, and should I increase the intensity of my normal runs? I now run them at a max
of 155 about 75% Hr-Max.

I hope someone can tell me I'm not that strange a case....

Quoted message said:

Heart rate is just a proxy for oxygen uptake. There are a lot of things that can increase heart
rate that don't have anythign to do with oxygen uptake, so it's a good thing you taped your
display.

Quoted message said:

Regarding training paces, you should probably do this by speed, not

heart

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rate. Based on that half marathon time, you should probably do your

training

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runs at 8:30 minutes per mile or slower if you like. There's not much to be gained by speeding
up training runs too much -- when you run fast,

you

Quoted message said:

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should really run fast, for you around 7:10 or faster.

Quoted message said:

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

---Sustaining a HR that close to your max eludes that you are in pretty

good

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shape...Few people can sustain such a high effort that long. Out of curiousity, were your splits
even? That would be an even better indicator combined with the HR. Most people do their everyday
runs too fast. I wouldn't speed up. Do

the

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actual workouts faster maybe, but not your everyday distance runs. These should probably be at a
HR of 135-145. Donovan is right that HR is not

always

Quoted message said:

the right way to guage training pace...it works great in cool weather on

flat

Quoted message said:

terrain, but is unreliable on hills or when it gets hot. Just make sure

your

Quoted message said:

easy days are truly easy and work hard on the harder days. ANdy Hass

Go ahead, do everything you can to hold your HR down and see how much slower you run.

Forget HR when it comes to racing. It is pretty well documented both in the literature (Noakes' lab)
and anecdotally that your race HR will be higher than non-race HR even at the same race pace. It
cannot all be adrenaline either.

"Jonathan Sydenham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Andy - my experience is similar to Chichi's. My HR for my last 'thon was more or less a straight
line at 160 - 163, tailing off to the mid to high 150s during my disastrous final 10k. The highest
I get to on the track is about 174. My normal training runs are about 137 - 145, with 150 up the
hilly bits. Tempo runs (5 mins per k, or 8 minute miling) see me hitting about 155 max, mainly
150-ish. Something seems to happen to me during

races,

Quoted message said:

especially 'thons. In theory there is no way I should be able to sustain 160-odd for nearly four
hours. In training it takes me 5k to hit my goal HR on easy runs. In a 'thon I'm

up

Quoted message said:

there within two minutes of the gun. Now, next time I am going to see if i can hold my HR down to
about 140 for the whole marathon. Mind you, I said that last time, too ... (Incidentally

I

Quoted message said:

am 49 years old. I leave you to do the WHR maths!) Jonathan <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Chichi

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> Hey rec.running group,
>
> I have raced my first half marathon distance this weekend in Amsterdam. I was wearing my
> polar s610i and recorded the whole race.

I

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> had the display taped so I couldn't read my HR during the race.
>
> When I got home, very excited about my time 1.36.10 and plugged the polar in the computer.
> The graph was really flat, at an average of
> 193. My all time HR-Max is 204. I was amazed by the fact that I could race more the an hour
> an a half, at 93% of my max.
>
> Is this normal, and should I increase the intensity of my normal

runs?

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> I now run them at a max of 155 about 75% Hr-Max.
>
> I hope someone can tell me I'm not that strange a case....

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Heart rate is just a proxy for oxygen uptake. There are a lot of

things

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that can increase heart rate that don't have anythign to do with

oxygen

Quoted message said:

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uptake, so it's a good thing you taped your display.

Quoted message said:

Regarding training paces, you should probably do this by speed, not

heart

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rate. Based on that half marathon time, you should probably do your

training

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

runs at 8:30 minutes per mile or slower if you like. There's not much

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be gained by speeding up training runs too much -- when you run fast,

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should really run fast, for you around 7:10 or faster.

Quoted message said:

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

---Sustaining a HR that close to your max eludes that you are in pretty

good

Quoted message said:

shape...Few people can sustain such a high effort that long. Out of curiousity, were your splits
even? That would be an even better

indicator

Quoted message said:

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combined with the HR. Most people do their everyday runs too fast. I wouldn't speed up.

Do

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

actual workouts faster maybe, but not your everyday distance runs.

These

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should probably be at a HR of 135-145. Donovan is right that HR is not

always

Quoted message said:

the right way to guage training pace...it works great in cool weather on

flat

Quoted message said:

terrain, but is unreliable on hills or when it gets hot. Just make sure

your

Quoted message said:

easy days are truly easy and work hard on the harder days. ANdy Hass

A fascinating phenomenon, though J "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Go ahead, do everything you can to hold your HR down and see how much

slower

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you run.

Forget HR when it comes to racing. It is pretty well documented both in

the

Quoted message said:

literature (Noakes' lab) and anecdotally that your race HR will be higher than non-race HR even at
the same race pace. It cannot all be adrenaline either.

"Jonathan Sydenham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Andy - my experience is similar to Chichi's. My HR for my last 'thon was more or less a straight
line at 160 - 163, tailing off to the mid to

high

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

150s during my disastrous final 10k. The highest I get to on the track

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about 174. My normal training runs are about 137 - 145, with 150 up the hilly bits. Tempo runs
(5 mins per k, or 8 minute miling) see me hitting about 155 max, mainly 150-ish. Something seems
to happen to me during

races,

Quoted message said:

especially 'thons. In theory there is no way I should be able to sustain 160-odd for nearly four
hours. In training it takes me 5k to hit my goal HR on easy runs. In a 'thon

I'm

Quoted message said:

up

Quoted message said:

there within two minutes of the gun. Now, next time I am going to see if i can hold my HR down
to about 140

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the whole marathon. Mind you, I said that last time, too ...

(Incidentally

Quoted message said:

I

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am 49 years old. I leave you to do the WHR maths!) Jonathan <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>, Chichi

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>> Hey rec.running group,
>>
>> I have raced my first half marathon distance this weekend in Amsterdam. I was wearing my
>> polar s610i and recorded the whole

race.

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> had the display taped so I couldn't read my HR during the race.
>>
>> When I got home, very excited about my time 1.36.10 and plugged the polar in the computer.
>> The graph was really flat, at an average of
>> 193. My all time HR-Max is 204. I was amazed by the fact that I

could

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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>> race more the an hour an a half, at 93% of my max.
>>
>> Is this normal, and should I increase the intensity of my normal

runs?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> I now run them at a max of 155 about 75% Hr-Max.
>>
>> I hope someone can tell me I'm not that strange a case....

> Heart rate is just a proxy for oxygen uptake. There are a lot of

things

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> that can increase heart rate that don't have anythign to do with

oxygen

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> uptake, so it's a good thing you taped your display.

> Regarding training paces, you should probably do this by speed, not

heart

Quoted message said:

> rate. Based on that half marathon time, you should probably do your

training

Quoted message said:

> runs at 8:30 minutes per mile or slower if you like. There's not

much

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to

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> be gained by speeding up training runs too much -- when you run

fast,

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you

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> should really run fast, for you around 7:10 or faster.

> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

---Sustaining a HR that close to your max eludes that you are in

pretty

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

good

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shape...Few people can sustain such a high effort that long. Out of curiousity, were your
splits even? That would be an even better

indicator

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

combined with the HR. Most people do their everyday runs too fast. I wouldn't speed up.

Do

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

actual workouts faster maybe, but not your everyday distance runs.

These

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should probably be at a HR of 135-145. Donovan is right that HR is

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

always

Quoted message said:

the right way to guage training pace...it works great in cool weather

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

flat

Quoted message said:

terrain, but is unreliable on hills or when it gets hot. Just make

sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

your

Quoted message said:

easy days are truly easy and work hard on the harder days. ANdy Hass