While trueing my rear wheel last week I had one hell of a time trying to get it perfectly round. I tried for hours trying to get the tension all even and have a near perfect round wheel. What happened was that the spoke nipples at the "bump-up" part of the rim got rounded off by my incessant wrenching. The tension on this wheel is ideally high and lateral trueness is only off about +-0.3mm. Only thing is is the little bump-up you see as you spin the wheel on the trueing stand. It doesn't affect the overall ride but I feel that if my nipples hadn't rounded off at the critical area of the wheel I probably would have an even truer wheel. My LBS gave me a handful of brass nipples yesterday and was wondering how I would get the rounded off nipples off. Since my spoke wrench won't work can I use a pair of pliers? Or do I need to detension all the other spokes first to facilitate their removal?
Kenny: If you mount the wheel securely in your bicycle, you can pull it over to one side near the brake mount. This will reduce tension significantly on the spokes on that side (in that region), allowing you to possibly spin them off by hand or at least lower the tension enough that you might be able to easily turn them with some pliers. But before going to the trouble of using pliers, make sure that you can't remove them by using a screwdriver on the slot in the nipple. This won't work if the spokes are long enough that they protrude past the slot, though.
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While trueing my rear wheel last week I had one hell of a time trying to get it perfectly round. I tried for hours trying to get the tension all even and have a near perfect round wheel. What happened was that the spoke nipples at the "bump-up" part of the rim got rounded off by my incessant wrenching. The tension on this wheel is ideally high and lateral trueness is only off about +-0.3mm. Only thing is is the little bump-up you see as you spin the wheel on the trueing stand. It doesn't affect the overall ride but I feel that if my nipples hadn't rounded off at the critical area of the wheel I probably would have an even truer wheel. My LBS gave me a handful of brass nipples yesterday and was wondering how I would get the rounded off nipples off. Since my spoke wrench won't work can I use a pair of pliers? Or do I need to detension all the other spokes first to facilitate their removal?
Its amazing what you learn from old mechanics! Hadn't thought of that one...
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Kenny: If you mount the wheel securely in your bicycle, you can pull it over to one side near the brake mount. This will reduce tension significantly on the spokes on that side (in that region), allowing you to possibly spin them off by hand or at least lower the tension enough that
you
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might be able to easily turn them with some pliers. But before going to
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trouble of using pliers, make sure that you can't remove them by using a screwdriver on the slot in the nipple. This won't work if the spokes are long enough that they protrude past the slot, though.
"Kenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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While trueing my rear wheel last week I had one hell of a time trying to get it perfectly round. I tried for hours trying to get the tension all even and have a near perfect round wheel. What happened was that the spoke nipples at the "bump-up" part of the rim got rounded off by my incessant wrenching. The tension on this wheel is ideally high and lateral trueness is only off about +-0.3mm. Only thing is is the little bump-up you see as you spin the wheel on the trueing stand. It doesn't affect the overall ride but I feel that if my nipples hadn't rounded off at the critical area of the wheel I probably would have an even truer wheel. My LBS gave me a handful of brass nipples yesterday and was wondering how I would get the rounded off nipples off. Since my spoke wrench won't work can I use a pair of pliers? Or do I need to detension all the other spokes first to facilitate their removal?
Kenny: If you mount the wheel securely in your bicycle, you can pull it over to one side near the brake mount. This will reduce tension significantly on the spokes on that side (in that region), allowing you to possibly spin them off by hand or at least lower the tension enough that you might be able to easily turn them with some pliers. But before going to the trouble of using pliers, make sure that you can't remove them by using a screwdriver on the slot in the nipple. This won't work if the spokes are long enough that they protrude past the slot, though.
You can make a nifty tool for this by notching an appropriate scredriver. With a Dremel tool, you can cut a slot in the middle of the screwdriver blade to accomodate the spoke. Now you have a tool that will help you remove mangled nipples even if the spokes are through the slot. A stubby screwdriver works well -- with just enough shank so that a wrench can be used in conjunction. This means you want the shank to have faces (not round).
If all else fails, just use a sturdy pair of wire cutters. Put the spoke out of its misery and lace up a new one.. It's best to keep the rim tape on when you do this to keep the freed part of the spoke from becoming a projectile.
"Kenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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While trueing my rear wheel last week I had one hell of a time trying to get it perfectly round. I tried for hours trying to get the tension all even and have a near perfect round wheel. What happened was that the spoke nipples at the "bump-up" part of the rim got rounded off by my incessant wrenching. The tension on this wheel is ideally high and lateral trueness is only off about +-0.3mm. Only thing is is the little bump-up you see as you spin the wheel on the trueing stand. It doesn't affect the overall ride but I feel that if my nipples hadn't rounded off at the critical area of the wheel I probably would have an even truer wheel. My LBS gave me a handful of brass nipples yesterday and was wondering how I would get the rounded off nipples off. Since my spoke wrench won't work can I use a pair of pliers? Or do I need to detension all the other spokes first to facilitate their removal?
Get some tension off the spoke by pulling the rim to one side and try a 3" visegrip. Alternately I've been able to cut the nipple the long way with an end cutter without damaging the thread. You can sometimes remmove the nipple's head, pull the spoke away from the rim and unscrew it with your fingers. That only works if the spoke doesn't protrude into the nipple's head or you're willing to cut the spoke a couple of mm shorter when cutting the head away.
Now is a good time to evaluate your spoke wrench. They do indeed wear out. Look at the Tacx T4550/T4555 which are the best thing I've ever seen for positive engagement on the nipple It's a slow tool to use but I like them for finishing tight wheels as they are less prone to nipple rounding than any other design. -- Andrew Muzi yellowjersey.orgyellowjersey.orgOpen ↗ Open every day since 1 April 1971
This also give you a use for that Dremel tool that you absolutely need but can't remember why.
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Mike Jacoubowsky said:
Kenny: If you mount the wheel securely in your bicycle, you can pull it over to one side near the brake mount. This will reduce tension significantly on the spokes on that side (in that region), allowing you to possibly spin them off by hand or at least lower the tension enough that you might be able to easily turn them with some pliers. But before going to the trouble of using pliers, make sure that you can't remove them by using a screwdriver on the slot in the nipple. This won't work if the spokes are long enough that they protrude past the slot, though.
You can make a nifty tool for this by notching an appropriate scredriver. With a Dremel tool, you can cut a slot in the middle of the screwdriver blade to accomodate the spoke. Now you have a tool that will help you remove mangled nipples even if the spokes are through the slot. A stubby screwdriver works well -- with just enough shank so that a wrench can be used in conjunction. This means you want the shank to have faces (not round).
If all else fails, just use a sturdy pair of wire cutters. Put the spoke out of its misery and lace up a new one.. It's best to keep the rim tape on when you do this to keep the freed part of the spoke from becoming a projectile.
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Mike Jacoubowsky said:
Kenny: If you mount the wheel securely in your bicycle, you can pull it over to one side near the brake mount. This will reduce tension significantly on the spokes on that side (in that region), allowing you to possibly spin them off by hand or at least lower the tension enough that you might be able to easily turn them with some pliers. But before going to the trouble of using pliers, make sure that you can't remove them by using a screwdriver on the slot in the nipple. This won't work if the spokes are long enough that they protrude past the slot, though.
You can make a nifty tool for this by notching an appropriate scredriver. With a Dremel tool, you can cut a slot in the middle of the screwdriver blade to accomodate the spoke. Now you have a tool that will help you remove mangled nipples even if the spokes are through the slot. A stubby screwdriver works well -- with just enough shank so that a wrench can be used in conjunction. This means you want the shank to have faces (not round).
If all else fails, just use a sturdy pair of wire cutters. Put the spoke out of its misery and lace up a new one.. It's best to keep the rim tape on when you do this to keep the freed part of the spoke from becoming a projectile.
To go one step further use a piece of tubing over the screw driver blade that just fits through the rim hole and over the nipple end. This keeps the screwdriver on after the spoke end unscrews and lets you pull the nipple out easily in deep rims.
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This also give you a use for that Dremel tool that you absolutely need but can't remember why.
John Albergo said:
Mike Jacoubowsky said:
Kenny: If you mount the wheel securely in your bicycle, you can pull it over to one side near the brake mount. This will reduce tension significantly on the spokes on that side (in that region), allowing you to possibly spin them off by hand or at least lower the tension enough that you might be able to easily turn them with some pliers. But before going to the trouble of using pliers, make sure that you can't remove them by using a screwdriver on the slot in the nipple. This won't work if the spokes are long enough that they protrude past the slot, though.
You can make a nifty tool for this by notching an appropriate scredriver. With a Dremel tool, you can cut a slot in the middle of the screwdriver blade to accomodate the spoke. Now you have a tool that will help you remove mangled nipples even if the spokes are through the slot. A stubby screwdriver works well -- with just enough shank so that a wrench can be used in conjunction. This means you want the shank to have faces (not round).
If all else fails, just use a sturdy pair of wire cutters. Put the spoke out of its misery and lace up a new one.. It's best to keep the rim tape on when you do this to keep the freed part of the spoke from becoming a projectile.
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While trueing my rear wheel last week I had one hell of a time trying to get it perfectly round. I tried for hours trying to get the tension all even and have a near perfect round wheel. What happened was that the spoke nipples at the "bump-up" part of the rim got rounded off by my incessant wrenching. The tension on this wheel is ideally high and lateral trueness is only off about +-0.3mm. Only thing is is the little bump-up you see as you spin the wheel on the trueing stand. It doesn't affect the overall ride but I feel that if my nipples hadn't rounded off at the critical area of the wheel I probably would have an even truer wheel. My LBS gave me a handful of brass nipples yesterday and was wondering how I would get the rounded off nipples off. Since my spoke wrench won't work can I use a pair of pliers? Or do I need to detension all the other spokes first to facilitate their removal?
Get some tension off the spoke by pulling the rim to one side and try a 3" visegrip. Alternately I've been able to cut the nipple the long way with an end cutter without damaging the thread. You can sometimes remmove the nipple's head, pull the spoke away from the rim and unscrew it with your fingers. That only works if the spoke doesn't protrude into the nipple's head or you're willing to cut the spoke a couple of mm shorter when cutting the head away.
Now is a good time to evaluate your spoke wrench. They do indeed wear out. Look at the Tacx T4550/T4555 which are the best thing I've ever seen for positive engagement on the nipple It's a slow tool to use but I like them for finishing tight wheels as they are less prone to nipple rounding than any other design.
...when working with screwdriver from inside the rim, put wheel on floor with spoke at 12 oclock, and press rim DOWN while turning - should loosen tension enuff to get it started - Ъ×
