how to do a flip turn ?

I twist during the turn. I've been told that you should push off on your back and twist after you
push off, but the way Im doing it now seems to be ok. Most of the other kids on my team do what I
do, and it is quite efficient.

Hope this helps,

-Matt

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Hi,

I never paid much attention to this until today when I was at the gym and just happened to watch
people doing flip turns.

I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push off
to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I even
taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them a disservice).

What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Thanks-

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I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

That's a somersault turn, but most people call it a flip turn, too.

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I push off my turns while I'm "upside down",
i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push off to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the
only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I even taught a bunch of people to do it my way
(hope I didn't do them a disservice).

The true flip turn comes in handy for both crawl and backstroke. My coach felt that somersaulters
tend to stay on the wall while twisting, which would be slower.

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I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push off
to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I even
taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them a disservice).

What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Thanks-

The concern, IMHO, is repositioning of the feet. As long as your feet don't spend any extra time on
the wall I don't think it really matter what your orientation of the wall is like.

GL Mike

In article said:

Hi,

I never paid much attention to this until today when I was at the gym and just happened to watch
people doing flip turns.

I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push off
to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I even
taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them a disservice).

What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Thanks-

To take this question a little further, *I* would like to as "how do you DO a flip turn?" I just got
into swimming - fairly seriously - about a year ago, and now that I'm working on long continuous
swims (I'm up to 300-400m, a lifetime best for me), I might like to learn the flip turn.

Nowadays, I just swim to the end of the pool, touch with one hand and as my feet swing under me, I
let them propel me off the wall. No flip or somersault or anything fancy. I'm training for my first
triathlon (with a 100m) swim, and it'll be in a pool. Just getting through the swim will be a big
deal for me (well, 100m will be a breeze given my current yardage), so I haven't worried about the
fancy turns.

Can the flip turn be explained here, or is it best taught in person?

thanks,

Cam

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I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

That's how I do it. I'm pretty quick with it, though, so don't see any advantage to going with the
true flip (for myself). However, I think the twist flip is probably less graceful, and I probably
tend to splash more water up on the sides of the pool (it has almost no freeboard) than if I'd have
done the true flip.

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ctt said:

Hi,

I never paid much attention to this until today when I was at the gym and just happened to watch
people doing flip turns.

I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back.

Well, I tumble straight over, but when my feet hit the wall, I'm already pretty much on my side. If
I am racing, I push off that way and level off on the glide. If I am training, and there might be
swimmers coming up behind me, I twist while my feet are on the wall, so that I see what I am heading
into before push off.

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Then I do a twist after the push off to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it
in this weird way. In fact I even taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them
a disservice).

If you are truly on your back when you push off, I think you should experiment with twisting part
way during the tumble.

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What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Whatever gets you going the quickest, with the caveat described above of hesitating on the wall and
twisting there before pushing off, when there is possible congestion behind you.

martin

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Have you tried thinking of it as a Judo roll? If you watch the martial arts stuff, the fighters find
it easier to stand up and to turn to face their opponents again by rotating their shoulders as they
initiate their somersault. Does that give you a mental picture to work with? "ctt"
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Hi,

I never paid much attention to this until today when I was at the gym and just happened to watch
people doing flip turns.

I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push off
to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I even
taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them a disservice).

What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Thanks-

If you twist with your feet on the wall, you risk damage to your back. Dip one shoulder as you begin
the rotation so that feet plant on the wall at 45 degrees then complete movement onto front after
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I twist during the turn. I've been told that you should push off on your back and twist after you
push off, but the way Im doing it now seems to be ok. Most of the other kids on my team do what I
do, and it is quite efficient.

Hope this helps,

-Matt

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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I never paid much attention to this until today when I was at the gym and just happened to watch
people doing flip turns.

I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push
off to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I
even taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them a disservice).

What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Thanks-

MrDancer said:

That's how I do it. I'm pretty quick with it, though, so don't see any advantage to going with the
true flip (for myself). However, I think the twist flip is probably less graceful, and I probably
tend to splash more water up on the sides of the pool (it has almost no freeboard) than if I'd have
done the true flip.

Maglischo recommends the "somersault" flip for the crawl and the "true" flip for backstroke. His
picture sequence of the "somersault," however, isn't that different than the one for the flip. The
fellow rotates his feet only about 20 or 30 degrees before pushing off.

I agree that as long as you push off quickly it probably doesn't matter whether you somersault or
not. I have seen guys that touch the wall, twist while still on the wall, then push off. They might
as well do an open turn.

Donal Fagan AIA Donal@DonalO'Fagan.com (Anglicise the name to reply by e-mail)

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Hi,

I never paid much attention to this until today when I was at the gym and just happened to watch
people doing flip turns.

I noticed that their turns are different than mine in that their flip included a "twist" of some
sort and they were able to push off on their stomaches.

I push off my turns while I'm "upside down", i.e. on my back. Then I do a twist after the push off
to be on my stomach. It seems that I'm the only one doing it in this weird way. In fact I even
taught a bunch of people to do it my way (hope I didn't do them a disservice).

What's the correct way to do it? Or maybe there's no "correct" way and just whatever gets you
going quickest ?

Thanks-

Correct way to perform a turn :

1) approach wall
2) approx 1 arms length away from the wall (glide into the wall with one arm extended in front to
judge the distance) start the turn.
3) just before the extended arm touches the wall bring it to the side of body - both arms should be
in this postition.
4) roll forward try to tuck your head into your chest.
5) blow out through your nose and mouth - RELAX
6) just go with the momentum of your body
7) you should end up on your back - where you can twist to one side and then breath.

8) once the above is mastered - probably 3 weeks at 4 session a wk, then you can start to experiment
- ie twisting to get out of the turn quicker - the less time you spend in the turn - the more
time you have to swim.

As for starting outon turns.
9) swim normally - touching the side of the pool to turn - for say 2weeks BUT EVERY TURN YOU MAKE
try to take breath BEFORE touching the side and make sure you DO NOT TAKE A BREATH until you
resume your stroke.

one of the problems with turning, is the fact that you have to get used to holding your breath and
blowing through your nose whilst underwater and perfmorming the turn.

I know about 4 friends who can perform turns perfectly, but , can't intergrate them into their
stroke due to the lack of breath - if you persist - it is quite rewarding.

just my 2 cents worth

matt