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  1. I need some advice. I'm 44 / 6'1" / 160lbs and have fairly good muscle
    definition. I have been working out 3 times per week for the past
    month. I'm doing:

    5 sets of 15 curls @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 bench @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 tricep machine @ 40 lbs.
    5 sets of 30 ab machine @120 lbs.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    I also do 40 crunches per hour while at work for a total of about 240
    each of those 5 days.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    I do want to see some muscle gains in arms and chest while killing the
    slight layer of fat on my abs that hide the muscle underneath. Any
    suggestions...as far as the training goes?

  2. "unix-freak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I need some advice. I'm 44 / 6'1" / 160lbs and have fairly good muscle
    definition. I have been working out 3 times per week for the past
    month. I'm doing:

    5 sets of 15 curls @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 bench @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 tricep machine @ 40 lbs.
    5 sets of 30 ab machine @120 lbs.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    I also do 40 crunches per hour while at work for a total of about 240
    each of those 5 days.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    I do want to see some muscle gains in arms and chest while killing the
    slight layer of fat on my abs that hide the muscle underneath. Any
    suggestions...as far as the training goes?

    You can curl 50 pounds in each arm but can only bench press 100 pounds?

  3. I would imagine that I can bench more. This is a machine where I'm
    sitting straight up and pushing the bar out...and I'm grunting to get
    the 15.

  4. "unix-freak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would imagine that I can bench more. This is a machine where I'm
    sitting straight up and pushing the bar out...and I'm grunting to get
    the 15.

    First off, you need to chose whether you want to lose the fat first or bulk
    up a bit first. Its almost impossible to do both at the same time. I'll give
    you some advice on getting a bit more muscular because I know a bit more
    about it than the weight reduction side.

    Is there not a regular bench press where you are working out? If you want to
    add muscle to your chest, I suggest you start bench pressing and up the
    weight big time. Curling 50 pounds at 160 is pretty impressive (in my
    opinion anyway) so you should be able to bench press quite a bit more than
    only 100 pounds. Your musles wont grow unless you are constantly forcing
    them to grow. You do this by using progressivly heavier weights.

    To gain mass you should cut the reps down from 15 to maybe 6-10 reps and
    follow the progressive resistance principle (google progressive resistance
    if you need to). Start at a weight you can do for 6 reps, then next time try
    7, then 8 and so on untill you are able to get 10 clean reps with that
    particular weight. If you can't increase the reps one or two workouts, dont
    panic, trust me, just keep trying and eventually you *do* get stronger.

    Once you can get 10 reps with your chosen weigh, its time to up the weight
    by 5 pounds and start at 6 again. This way you progressivly get stronger and
    stronger and, provided you are eating right and have a calory surplus,
    bigger and bigger.

    In summary... higher weight, less reps, make sure your muscle groups are
    getting enough rest time (you are probably doing too many sets for a 3x a
    week routine) eat more and you should grow fine. Two most important words in
    weight training (at least in my opinion) are progressive resistance.

  5. "unix-freak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I need some advice. I'm 44 / 6'1" / 160lbs and have fairly good muscle
    definition. I have been working out 3 times per week for the past
    month. I'm doing:

    5 sets of 15 curls @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 bench @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 tricep machine @ 40 lbs.
    5 sets of 30 ab machine @120 lbs.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    I also do 40 crunches per hour while at work for a total of about 240
    each of those 5 days.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    I do want to see some muscle gains in arms and chest while killing the
    slight layer of fat on my abs that hide the muscle underneath. Any
    suggestions...as far as the training goes?

    Doesn't seem very balanced. Are you time-limited? Do fewer sets of more diverse
    exercises. You might emphasize compound over isolation exercises. If you're gonna
    emphasize isolation exercises, you'll need more of them.

    Also, like the other guy says, 100lbs on curls & 100lbs on bench makes no sense.
    One is a lot, the other is very little.

    Also the 5x15 at the same weight doesn't make much sense to me either. Maybe I'm wrong.
    I'm not a trainer. I'm about your age, I've read up on this stuff a bit, and I have a program that
    works well for me.

  6. Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll reduce the reps and increase the weight on
    the bench. Excuse my lack of correct terminology on the subject but the
    bench press has me sitting vertically and I push the bar outward. I have it
    set so that the starting position has my hands right at my chest as ooposed
    to farther out - which makes that 100 feel like quite a strain when I get
    up in the reps after a few sets.

    The waist probably shouldn't be much of a concern for me as there's really
    very little fat.

    Paul 'Mr.Wonderful' Orndorff said:


    "unix-freak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would imagine that I can bench more. This is a machine where I'm
    sitting straight up and pushing the bar out...and I'm grunting to get
    the 15.

    First off, you need to chose whether you want to lose the fat first or
    bulk up a bit first. Its almost impossible to do both at the same time.
    I'll give you some advice on getting a bit more muscular because I know a
    bit more about it than the weight reduction side.

    Is there not a regular bench press where you are working out? If you want
    to add muscle to your chest, I suggest you start bench pressing and up the
    weight big time. Curling 50 pounds at 160 is pretty impressive (in my
    opinion anyway) so you should be able to bench press quite a bit more than
    only 100 pounds. Your musles wont grow unless you are constantly forcing
    them to grow. You do this by using progressivly heavier weights.

    To gain mass you should cut the reps down from 15 to maybe 6-10 reps and
    follow the progressive resistance principle (google progressive resistance
    if you need to). Start at a weight you can do for 6 reps, then next time
    try 7, then 8 and so on untill you are able to get 10 clean reps with that
    particular weight. If you can't increase the reps one or two workouts,
    dont panic, trust me, just keep trying and eventually you *do* get
    stronger.

    Once you can get 10 reps with your chosen weigh, its time to up the weight
    by 5 pounds and start at 6 again. This way you progressivly get stronger
    and stronger and, provided you are eating right and have a calory surplus,
    bigger and bigger.

    In summary... higher weight, less reps, make sure your muscle groups are
    getting enough rest time (you are probably doing too many sets for a 3x a
    week routine) eat more and you should grow fine. Two most important words
    in weight training (at least in my opinion) are progressive resistance.

    --
    Give me Linux or give me ...uh..not Windoze.

  7. In article said:

    set so that the starting position has my hands right at my chest as ooposed
    to farther out - which makes that 100 feel like quite a strain when I get
    up in the reps after a few sets.

    You might vary the grip, depending on exactly what your goals are.
    A wider grip works the chest more, while narrow grips are harder
    on the triceps.

    -- Dan

    --
    Dan Cosley ([email hidden] * http://www.cs.umn.edu/~cosley/)
    GroupLens Research Lab, Univ of MN (http://movielens.umn.edu/ * 612.624.8372)
    *** Just a foot soldier in the Army of Truth ***

  8. 100 lbs on a machine (your chest press) bears no relationship to 100 lbs
    free weight, as the mechanical linkages could make it lower or higher
    (almost certainly lower if anything).

    The advice given by Paul is excellent, but instead of cycling from 6 up to
    10 (as he suggests) I would do 10 - 12 for a couple of months then 8 - 10
    and then down to 6 - 8.

    You shouldn't add weight to your chest just because you think you should be
    able to do more. With every exercise, add as much weight as you think you
    can handle for that many reps, and try and squeeze out one more. Do this
    with all exercises.

    "unix-freak" <eat_your_spam@nice_try.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll reduce the reps and increase the weight
    on
    the bench. Excuse my lack of correct terminology on the subject but the
    bench press has me sitting vertically and I push the bar outward. I have
    it
    set so that the starting position has my hands right at my chest as
    ooposed
    to farther out - which makes that 100 feel like quite a strain when I get
    up in the reps after a few sets.

    The waist probably shouldn't be much of a concern for me as there's really
    very little fat.

    Paul 'Mr.Wonderful' Orndorff said:


    "unix-freak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would imagine that I can bench more. This is a machine where I'm
    sitting straight up and pushing the bar out...and I'm grunting to get
    the 15.

    First off, you need to chose whether you want to lose the fat first or
    bulk up a bit first. Its almost impossible to do both at the same time.
    I'll give you some advice on getting a bit more muscular because I know a
    bit more about it than the weight reduction side.

    Is there not a regular bench press where you are working out? If you want
    to add muscle to your chest, I suggest you start bench pressing and up
    the
    weight big time. Curling 50 pounds at 160 is pretty impressive (in my
    opinion anyway) so you should be able to bench press quite a bit more
    than
    only 100 pounds. Your musles wont grow unless you are constantly forcing
    them to grow. You do this by using progressivly heavier weights.

    To gain mass you should cut the reps down from 15 to maybe 6-10 reps and
    follow the progressive resistance principle (google progressive
    resistance
    if you need to). Start at a weight you can do for 6 reps, then next time
    try 7, then 8 and so on untill you are able to get 10 clean reps with
    that
    particular weight. If you can't increase the reps one or two workouts,
    dont panic, trust me, just keep trying and eventually you *do* get
    stronger.

    Once you can get 10 reps with your chosen weigh, its time to up the
    weight
    by 5 pounds and start at 6 again. This way you progressivly get stronger
    and stronger and, provided you are eating right and have a calory
    surplus,
    bigger and bigger.

    In summary... higher weight, less reps, make sure your muscle groups are
    getting enough rest time (you are probably doing too many sets for a 3x a
    week routine) eat more and you should grow fine. Two most important words
    in weight training (at least in my opinion) are progressive resistance.

    --
    Give me Linux or give me ...uh..not Windoze.

  9. "unix-freak" <eat_your_spam@nice_try.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll reduce the reps and increase the weight
    on
    the bench. Excuse my lack of correct terminology on the subject but the
    bench press has me sitting vertically and I push the bar outward.

    A typical bench press is when you are lying down on your back vertically and
    you are pushing the bar upwards. Is one available to you wher you are
    working out? I havn't used the machine you are using for chest, but it might
    work ok. Like the other poster said, try and use a wider grip for your chest
    to concentrate the work on your pecs and not on your triceps.

  10. Paul 'Mr.Wonderful' Orndorff said:

    "unix-freak" <eat_your_spam@nice_try.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll reduce the reps and increase the


    weight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on
    the bench. Excuse my lack of correct terminology on the subject but


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bench press has me sitting vertically and I push the bar outward.

    A typical bench press is when you are lying down on your back


    vertically and

    Quoted message said:

    you are pushing the bar upwards. Is one available to you wher you are

    Quoted message said:

    working out? I havn't used the machine you are using for chest, but


    it might

    Quoted message said:

    work ok. Like the other poster said, try and use a wider grip for


    your chest

    Quoted message said:

    to concentrate the work on your pecs and not on your triceps.

    I have a bench press with free weights at the house. I will try that
    one with some more weight as see what that does. I really never feel
    any pain in my muscles after working out so I'm thinking that the
    higher weight and lower reps should do that, right?

  11. Paul 'Mr.Wonderful' Orndorff said:

    "unix-freak" <eat_your_spam@nice_try.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll reduce the reps and increase the


    weight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on
    the bench. Excuse my lack of correct terminology on the subject but


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bench press has me sitting vertically and I push the bar outward.

    A typical bench press is when you are lying down on your back


    vertically and

    Quoted message said:

    you are pushing the bar upwards. Is one available to you wher you are

    Quoted message said:

    working out? I havn't used the machine you are using for chest, but


    it might

    Quoted message said:

    work ok. Like the other poster said, try and use a wider grip for


    your chest

    Quoted message said:

    to concentrate the work on your pecs and not on your triceps.

    I have a bench press with free weights at the house. I will try that
    one with some more weight and see what that does. I really never feel
    any pain in my muscles after working out so I'm thinking that the
    higher weight and lower reps should do that, right?

  12. "no pain no gain?"

  13. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 12 Feb 2005 09:44:52 -0800, "unix-freak" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I really never feel
    any pain in my muscles after working out so I'm thinking that the
    higher weight and lower reps should do that, right?

    Why would you *want* to feel pain in your muscles??

    Paul

    DOMS is what he meant, I think.

  14. "Peter Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:420e115d
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    add as much weight as you think you
    can handle for that many reps, and try and squeeze out one more. Do this
    with all exercises.

    You mean go to failure?

    --
    Lordy

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    unix-freak said:

    I need some advice. I'm 44 / 6'1" / 160lbs and have fairly good muscle
    definition. I have been working out 3 times per week for the past
    month. I'm doing:

    5 sets of 15 curls @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 bench @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 tricep machine @ 40 lbs.
    5 sets of 30 ab machine @120 lbs.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    Ever hear of legs or back?

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

  16. Will Brink said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    unix-freak said:

    I need some advice. I'm 44 / 6'1" / 160lbs and have fairly good muscle
    definition. I have been working out 3 times per week for the past
    month. I'm doing:

    5 sets of 15 curls @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 bench @ 100lbs.
    5 sets of 15 tricep machine @ 40 lbs.
    5 sets of 30 ab machine @120 lbs.
    Run 1 mile on treadmill.

    Ever hear of legs or back?


    I've heard of them. What are they?
    --
    Give me Linux or give me ...uh..not Windoze.

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