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  1. My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike cage
    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect their
    bikes and go home. I have had a look at the school cycling policy and it
    does state that the school can in no way be held responsible for the bikes
    while on their premises. I have spoken to the head of his year twice and he
    said their is nothing he can do unless he has any witnesses to the alleged
    offences. I questioned him on his use of the word alleged at this point as
    the damaged caused could not be inflicted by riding the bike. It has had 9
    punctures all on the sidewalls of the tyre where no objects have been found
    either internal or external of the tyres, both brake cables have been
    disconnected, the wiring for the computer has been snapped off and finally
    the chain ring has been bent out of shape rendering the bike unrideable. I
    have repaired all of this and my son continues to cycle but I now dread his
    return daily for the next instalment of cycle repairs. The only option left
    open to avoid the vandalism is for me to drive him to school and collect him
    which would add to the already congested roads at these times of the day of
    which I am loath to do. Does the school not have some duty of care to the
    wellbeing of it's pupils and their possessions.

    cheers
    Jon_H

  2. Jon_H said:

    My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike cage
    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect their
    bikes and go home. I have had a look at the school cycling policy and it
    does state that the school can in no way be held responsible for the bikes
    while on their premises. I have spoken to the head of his year twice and he
    said their is nothing he can do unless he has any witnesses to the alleged
    offences. I questioned him on his use of the word alleged at this point as
    the damaged caused could not be inflicted by riding the bike. It has had 9
    punctures all on the sidewalls of the tyre where no objects have been found
    either internal or external of the tyres, both brake cables have been
    disconnected, the wiring for the computer has been snapped off and finally
    the chain ring has been bent out of shape rendering the bike unrideable. I
    have repaired all of this and my son continues to cycle but I now dread his
    return daily for the next instalment of cycle repairs. The only option left
    open to avoid the vandalism is for me to drive him to school and collect him
    which would add to the already congested roads at these times of the day of
    which I am loath to do. Does the school not have some duty of care to the
    wellbeing of it's pupils and their possessions.

    If you get no joy with that, persistent vandalism of possessions could
    well meet the definition of bullying. That should get some response
    from the school.

    ...d

  3. "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Jon_H said:

    My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike


    cage

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    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect


    their

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    bikes and go home. I have had a look at the school cycling policy and it
    does state that the school can in no way be held responsible for the


    bikes

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    while on their premises. I have spoken to the head of his year twice and


    he

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    said their is nothing he can do unless he has any witnesses to the


    alleged

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    offences. I questioned him on his use of the word alleged at this point


    as

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    the damaged caused could not be inflicted by riding the bike. It has had


    9

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    punctures all on the sidewalls of the tyre where no objects have been


    found

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    either internal or external of the tyres, both brake cables have been
    disconnected, the wiring for the computer has been snapped off and


    finally

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    the chain ring has been bent out of shape rendering the bike unrideable.


    I

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    have repaired all of this and my son continues to cycle but I now dread


    his

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    return daily for the next instalment of cycle repairs. The only option


    left

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    open to avoid the vandalism is for me to drive him to school and collect


    him

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    which would add to the already congested roads at these times of the day


    of

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    which I am loath to do. Does the school not have some duty of care to


    the

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    wellbeing of it's pupils and their possessions.

    If you get no joy with that, persistent vandalism of possessions could
    well meet the definition of bullying. That should get some response
    from the school.

    ..d

    thanks for that but having another read of the school cycling policy the
    school states the following.

    In order to help with this cycle policy the school will provide
    a safe place for bikes to be stored. (Pupils/ guardians are responsible for
    the locks) and *safe storage for cycle helmets.

    I have now raised the question " what are they going to do to make the
    storage area safe as it currently isn't?". 5 times in one month is getting a
    bit much.

    cheers

    Jon_H

  4. Jon_H said:

    My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike cage
    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect their
    bikes and go home....

    Perhaps the school would allow you to set up a temporary, portable CCTV
    - trained on the bike stands?

  5. On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:43:04 GMT someone who may be "Jon_H"
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike cage
    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect their
    bikes and go home.

    Easy peasy to solve. Deploy one teacher in the afternoon to keep an
    eye on things. As the head appears to be fairly useless they are the
    obvious candidate. A short period should sort out the problem.

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    The only option left
    open to avoid the vandalism is for me to drive him to school and collect him

    That is presumably what the school wants, though unwilling to say
    so.

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    Does the school not have some duty of care to the
    wellbeing of it's pupils and their possessions.

    Certainly the former. Probably the latter, unless it is a bike. Ask
    how they would react if cars on the site were being vandalised. If
    it is like most schools a large area of playground will have been
    taken away from the children for teachers to use as car parking.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  6. "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike
    cage
    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect their
    bikes and go home. I have had a look at the school cycling policy and it
    does state that the school can in no way be held responsible for the bikes
    while on their premises. I have spoken to the head of his year twice and
    he
    said their is nothing he can do unless he has any witnesses to the alleged
    offences.

    How can it be damaged when locked in the cage?

    Where is the cage? Is it in plain sight?

    CCTV is cheap - suggest it.

    John

  7. "Eatmorepies" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My sons bike has been vandalised several times while locked in the bike
    cage
    at his school over the last couple of weeks the cage is locked in the
    morning and opened in the afternoon in time for the kids to collect


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bikes and go home. I have had a look at the school cycling policy and it
    does state that the school can in no way be held responsible for the


    bikes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    while on their premises. I have spoken to the head of his year twice and
    he
    said their is nothing he can do unless he has any witnesses to the


    alleged

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    offences.

    How can it be damaged when locked in the cage?

    Where is the cage? Is it in plain sight?

    CCTV is cheap - suggest it.

    John

    I phoned the school today On my sons return (complete with front tyre
    flapping around and punctured rear). I asked to make an appointment to see
    the headmaster but unfortunately he and his PA (since when did they have
    PA's) had both gone home. their mode of transport had obviously not been
    vandalised. I will call again tomorrow to announce my arrival, I have all
    day to wait.

    cheers
    Jon_H

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