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  1. I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and pork had
    to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various "germs", because
    there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that humans can catch, but
    that with beef, that is not the case (except BSE, I suppose). I've eaten
    some pretty rare meat in the past. What is the limit? I'm not interested in
    eating raw meat, but then again, I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried
    them.

    On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly single
    guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.)

  2. em wrote:
    :: On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave?

    What do you mean is it possible?

  3. em said:

    I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and
    pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various
    "germs", because there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that
    humans can catch, but that with beef, that is not the case (except
    BSE, I suppose). I've eaten some pretty rare meat in the past. What
    is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again,
    I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them.

    The numbers have come down over the years. A meat thermometer is the
    only way I can do a good job on the grill, so I always cook chicken to
    165, pork to 150 (I think; I'd have to check that one to be sure), and
    beef to 145-150 (for medium-rare to medium).

    The main concern with hogs used to be trichinosis, but that's almost
    unheard of in US-raised hogs now. Brucellosis has been completely
    wiped out (at least here in Illinois and neighboring states).
    Likewise with chicken and eggs (and dairy), a lot of the old diseases
    have been wiped out by cleaner raising and butchering practices.

    Of course, with some of our food coming from overseas nowadays, and
    much of it unlabeled as such, all bets are off if you don't know where
    your meat is coming from. Those diseases aren't so rare everywhere.
    And even if the animal itself is healthy, you have to trust everyone
    who handles it along the way not to infect it somehow. The more food
    you can get from local farmers you know, the better.

    Quoted message said:

    On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave?
    (Newly single guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.)

    I think you can cook anything in the microwave; the question is
    whether you'd want to. I've browned hamburger in one before, and that
    worked okay, although it ended up more boiled than browned. You might
    check your nearest thrift store or used book store; they usually have
    a bunch of microwave cookbooks that people threw out when they
    realized all they ever use the thing for is popcorn, leftovers, and TV
    dinners.

    --
    Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

  4. em said:


    ... I've eaten
    some pretty rare meat in the past. What is the limit? I'm not interested in
    eating raw meat, but then again, I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried
    them.

    Steak tartare is served at room temperature. It is raw beef diced
    so fine it would be a powder if it were dry, mixed with a little raw
    egg and maybe some spices. So the limit on minimum cooking
    seems to be "thawed". I don't think tartare has much flavor but
    that's a matter of personal preference.

    Quoted message said:

    On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly single
    guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.)

    Sure. I remember a line from "Deer Hunter". The cook was
    describing his experience in Army cook school - "They took
    fifty pounds of the most beautiful prime rib I've ever seen and
    the put it in this giant kettle. I sneaked a peak into that
    kettle and it was all turning gray. The saddest thing I've
    ever seen."

    Beef is better with dry heat (grill, pan) or wet heat (stew pot).

    Consider this - You're a guy. Guy's man the grill. Now go get
    out the charcoal and grill yourself some steak! ;^)

  5. You can cook anything in a microwave but the results are not necessarily
    satisfactory. Meat is one thing that doesn't turn out well. Get yourself a
    cast iron frying pan, it will do meat better than anything else and they are
    cheap. Google about seasoning it, never use soap to wash it. The best
    burger is cooked on a hot pan to seal in the juices. I like to season mine
    with Spike, it goes wonderfully with beef. On pork chops I like onion salt,
    on lamb chops garlic salt. I get packages of frozen ground round patties
    from Costco, they come in a tube. You can just fry them frozen. I cook on
    one side for a couple of minutes, flip, season, flip, season, flip, pile on
    some chopped sweet (Vidalia type) onion and a handful of shredded cheese.
    McDonalds can't hold a candle to it.

    I like beef a bit rare, pork well done, lamb rare. Fish is great stuff,
    too, it cooks very quickly so be careful not to overcook it or it will be
    dry.

    em wrote:
    | I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and
    | pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various
    | "germs", because there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that
    | humans can catch, but that with beef, that is not the case (except
    | BSE, I suppose). I've eaten some pretty rare meat in the past. What
    | is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again,
    | I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them.
    |
    | On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly
    | single guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.)

  6. Aaron Baugher said:
    em said:

    I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and
    pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various
    "germs", because there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that
    humans can catch, but that with beef, that is not the case (except
    BSE, I suppose). I've eaten some pretty rare meat in the past. What
    is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again,
    I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them.


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  7. "em" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave?

    The best prime rib I've ever had, bar none, was carefully prepared in a
    microwave, back in 1978. Big monster, weighed a ton - maybe today's
    microwave's couldn't do it the same way - nice and slow...

    --
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    lowcarb.owly.net

  8. "I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and
    pork had
    to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various "germs",
    because
    there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that humans can catch,
    but
    that with beef, that is not the case (except BSE, I suppose). I've
    eaten
    some pretty rare meat in the past. What is the limit? I'm not
    interested in
    eating raw meat, but then again, I thought raw eggs were gross until I
    tried
    them. "

    All meat, beef included, can carry serious health risks if eaten
    raw. With beef, surely you've heard of people serioulsy ill, deaths
    and recalls from E Coli? Now, considering how much meat is eaten and
    how few people get ill, the risk is extremely low. But, it's still
    there. There is a wide range of factors here to consider. For
    example, understanding how meat gets contaminated is important. E
    Coli is present in the intestinal tracts of cattle. So, anything that
    happens in processing where that contamination makes it's way into the
    meat is the problem. For that reason, if you're going to eat meat
    rare or raw, it's much safer to do so with a steak than if it;s ground
    beef. With a steak, any contamination is going to be on the outside
    and will be destroyed with even minimal cooking. And if you prepare
    raw beef, you can use slices taken from inside, with minimal outside
    surface. Ground beef, on the other hand, provides a path for E Coli
    to be inside a burger, where if it's not cooked thoroughly, like in
    the center, it can survive. For that reason, the current
    recommendation for burger safety is to cook them until well done.

    Now, does that mean you have to do it? Or should do it? That
    depends on you. If your a healthy adult, the risk is so low that I
    would not deny myself a med burger, which is how I like them. On the
    other hand, if you're elderly, a young child, have other serious
    medical problems, immune system problems, etc, then it's a different
    story.

    Pretty much the same with other foods. A small percentage of eggs
    carry salmonella inside the egg. No amount of safe handling, washing,
    etc is going to get rid of it. Here in NJ, about 15 years ago, the
    stupid politicians actually passed a law requiring eggs served in
    restaurants to be fully cooked. It created such a backlash, that it
    was repealed.

    And as far as E Coli, people have been killed from that eating
    everything from apples to spinach.

    Some simple things to reduce risk:

    Use only plastic type cutting boards for meat, chicken, etc. Wood can
    harbor bacteria and is harder to clean.

    Wash your hands after handling meat. Only use paper towels to wipe
    off your contaminated hands before washing. When handling meat, keep
    at a minimum anything else you touch before you can wash and then wash
    what you've touched. For example, if using a knife and touching
    meat, then wash then don't be touching everything else and wash the
    knife when u wash your hands.

    Keep food a min of time in the danger zone where bacteria grow,
    40-140F

    "On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly
    single
    guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.) "

    Possible? Yes. But given what it tastes like (think boiled), it's
    not something I would do.

  9. email hidden said:

    Use only plastic type cutting boards for meat, chicken, etc. Wood can
    harbor bacteria and is harder to clean.

    While that is widely taught, the actual studies on the subject are in
    disagreement. Wood has some natural anti-bacterial properties. Some
    of the conflicting reports are summarized here:

    http://www.reluctantgourmet.com/cutting_board.htm

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