How not to feel low

How'd you let a Lamborghini get by you? Dan Kluckhuhn

"Hillel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Some comments often made about the Rotator Tiger is that people think it's too low to be safe.
Lowracers scare them.

Yesterday, on the way home from work I was passed by a Lamborghini Diablo(?). The top of that car
was below my shoulder while riding the Tiger. :-)

"Dan Kluckhuhn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How'd you let a Lamborghini get by you? Dan Kluckhuhn

Yeah. We could use a good I smoked a Lamborghini story.

skip

skip said:

"Dan Kluckhuhn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How'd you let a Lamborghini get by you? Dan Kluckhuhn

Yeah. We could use a good I smoked a Lamborghini story.

Go to Italy where Lamborghini is known for its tractors. [1] I have passed quite a few tractors
while riding.

[1] The automotive division was sold off long ago and has passed through the hands of many owners
and is currently owned by the Volkswagen group.

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Tom Sherman said:

skip said:

Dan Kluckhuhn said:

How'd you let a Lamborghini get by you? Dan Kluckhuhn

Yeah. We could use a good I smoked a Lamborghini story.

Go to Italy where Lamborghini is known for its tractors.

No need. Just wait until they're stuck in traffic. Lambos are not a common sight around here, but I
usually manage to leave a Ferrari behind every couple of weeks.

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On Sunday noon I smoked a NEW Ferarri. Twas Black and looked to be about 10 minutes old. I was in
the Financial District (Toronto) on a one way street (Adelaide Street). I was waiting for the
traffic light to change when this beautiful Ferarri pulls up beside me. Late 50s looking chap
driving...we look at each other for a second and I yell....hey Mister...ya wanna race me. The guys
grins and humors me. He starts reving his engine, really loud like a F-1, the car is now vibrating
and the light turns green and I glance over and see his tires spinning but he ain't moving an
inch....just moves side to side with his wheels spinning and then this high pitched squeal and he is
off like 0-80 mph in 4 seconds. Meanwhile I arrived at the next Red traffic light only a block away
just as he hits his brakes and slides up next to me. I look over and yell...Hey Mister what took you
so long. He wasn't smiling now and did an illegal turn and shot up North on Bay Street like a
rocket. I know that car was mega fast, but with only 500 feet between Red traffic lights....I smoked
him good. That car btw is like $600K in Toronto.
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Tom Sherman said:

skip said:

Dan Kluckhuhn wrote:
> How'd you let a Lamborghini get by you? Dan Kluckhuhn

Yeah. We could use a good I smoked a Lamborghini story.

Go to Italy where Lamborghini is known for its tractors.

No need. Just wait until they're stuck in traffic. Lambos are not a

common

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sight around here, but I usually manage to leave a Ferrari behind every couple of weeks.

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He was going the other way. (For the locals: the car was turning from Hawthorne Pkwy. to eastbound
on Canon Rd. while I was heading west.)

"Dan Kluckhuhn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How'd you let a Lamborghini get by you? Dan Kluckhuhn

"Hillel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Some comments often made about the Rotator Tiger is that people think it's too low to be safe.
Lowracers scare them.

Yesterday, on the way home from work I was passed by a Lamborghini Diablo(?). The top of that
car was below my shoulder while riding the Tiger. :-)

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sunday noon I smoked a NEW Ferarri. Twas Black and looked to be about

10

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minutes old. I was in the Financial District (Toronto) on a one way street (Adelaide Street). I
was waiting for the traffic light to change when this beautiful Ferarri pulls up beside me. Late
50s looking chap driving...we look at each other for a second and I yell....hey Mister...ya
wanna race

me.

Quoted message said:

The guys grins and humors me. He starts reving his engine, really loud

like

Quoted message said:

a F-1, the car is now vibrating and the light turns green and I glance

over

Quoted message said:

and see his tires spinning but he ain't moving an inch....just moves side

to

Quoted message said:

side with his wheels spinning and then this high pitched squeal and he is off like 0-80 mph in 4
seconds. Meanwhile I arrived at the next Red

traffic

Quoted message said:

light only a block away just as he hits his brakes and slides up next to

mf.

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I look over and yell...Hey Mister what took you so long. He wasn't smiling now and did an illegal
turn and shot up North on Bay Street like a rocket. I know that car was mega fast, but with only
500 feet between Red traffic lights....I smoked him good. That car btw is like $600K in Toronto.

I give you a A+ grade on your "I smoked a Ferarri" story. As usual your story was an excellent work.
Just what we needed.

thanks.

skip

Skip I keep forgetting to mention my CLWB has a 68 Volt 500 watt Hub Motor with a Burst to 1,000
watts for 5 seconds. On a flat street I can clock 45 mph at -45 mph in 8 seconds. I do have 2
bents without E-Motors as well. I'll try and remember to mention if I am smoking Ferarris with or
without my E-Bent involved. No point in folks here thinking this old coot is clocking 45 mph under
his own steam.
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sunday noon I smoked a NEW Ferarri. Twas Black and looked to be about

10

Quoted message said:

minutes old. I was in the Financial District (Toronto) on a one way

street

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Adelaide Street). I was waiting for the traffic light to change when

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

beautiful Ferarri pulls up beside me. Late 50s looking chap driving...we look at each other for
a second and I yell....hey Mister...ya wanna race

me.

Quoted message said:

The guys grins and humors me. He starts reving his engine, really loud

like

Quoted message said:

a F-1, the car is now vibrating and the light turns green and I glance

over

Quoted message said:

and see his tires spinning but he ain't moving an inch....just moves

side

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

side with his wheels spinning and then this high pitched squeal and he

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

off like 0-80 mph in 4 seconds. Meanwhile I arrived at the next Red

traffic

Quoted message said:

light only a block away just as he hits his brakes and slides up next to

me.

Quoted message said:

I look over and yell...Hey Mister what took you so long. He wasn't

smiling

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now and did an illegal turn and shot up North on Bay Street like a

rocket.

Quoted message said:

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I know that car was mega fast, but with only 500 feet between Red

traffic

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lights....I smoked him good. That car btw is like $600K in Toronto.

I give you a A+ grade on your "I smoked a Ferarri" story. As usual your story was an excellent
work. Just what we needed.

thanks.

skip

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Skip I keep forgetting to mention my CLWB has a 68 Volt 500 watt Hub Motor with

a

Quoted message said:

Burst to 1,000 watts for 5 seconds. On a flat street I can clock 45 mph at -45 mph in 8 seconds. I
do have 2 bents without E-Motors as well. I'll try and remember to

mention

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if I am smoking Ferarris with or without my E-Bent involved. No point in folks here thinking this
old coot is clocking 45 mph under his own steam.

Don't worry, I do think most consider your stories "tongue in cheek" anyway.

But I envy you for having such a toy, no way it would be legal around here. But we do have (or had)
the "Ellert" ellert.infoET2002 3.jpgOpen ↗

Regards, Torben

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Skip I keep forgetting to mention my CLWB has a 68 Volt 500 watt Hub Motor with

a

Quoted message said:

Burst to 1,000 watts for 5 seconds. On a flat street I can clock 45 mph at -45 mph in 8 seconds. I
do have 2 bents without E-Motors as well. I'll try and remember to

mention

Quoted message said:

if I am smoking Ferarris with or without my E-Bent involved. No point in folks here thinking this
old coot is clocking 45 mph under his own steam.
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I just may have to try a Hub Motor. I'm guessing though that 0 -45 mph in 8 seconds on a Bike E
might be a real thrill in the handling department. Also in my imagination having a bmx type
tadpole trike with a gas motor on a banked dirt track would be a ton of fun (or maybe a quick trip
to the ER).

skip (who didn't get to ride those Honda three wheelers in his youth)

Skip I sold one Hi-Speed E-Motor system to a chap with a RANS V2, with that fairing he should fly.
Another one went to a woman with a BikeE who has had this Grin that is what a cat would have after
eating a mouse...her line was I'm smoking dem roadies real good now. Next up is a 69 yearold Bent
rider who said he wants to keep up to his son on rides....his son btw drives a Motorcycle. At some
point everyone will desire a motor assist for their bent...it just takes some of us longer to figure
it out. Re: all the benefits of having a bent HPV are still there...except now you can do 25 mph up
hill or into a strong headwind. AND before anyone points out the E-Motor and batteries weigh a ton,
they don't and there is hardly any noticeable drag (if) a properly balanced cargo trailer is used
for your batteries.....hmmm am singing to the wrong Choir (NewsGroup) here again. "skip"
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Skip I keep forgetting to mention my CLWB has a 68 Volt 500 watt Hub Motor

with

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

Burst to 1,000 watts for 5 seconds. On a flat street I can clock 45 mph

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

-45 mph in 8 seconds. I do have 2 bents without E-Motors as well. I'll try and remember to

mention

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if I am smoking Ferarris with or without my E-Bent involved. No point in folks here thinking
this old coot is clocking 45 mph under

his

Quoted message said:

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own steam.
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I just may have to try a Hub Motor. I'm guessing though that 0 -45 mph

in

Quoted message said:

8 seconds on a Bike E might be a real thrill in the handling department. Also in my imagination
having a bmx type tadpole trike with a gas motor on

a

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banked dirt track would be a ton of fun (or maybe a quick trip to the ER).

skip (who didn't get to ride those Honda three wheelers in his youth)

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Skip I keep forgetting to mention my CLWB has a 68 Volt 500 watt Hub Motor with

a

Quoted message said:

Burst to 1,000 watts for 5 seconds. On a flat street I can clock 45 mph at -45 mph in 8 seconds. I
do have 2 bents without E-Motors as well. I'll try and remember to

mention

Quoted message said:

if I am smoking Ferarris with or without my E-Bent involved. No point in folks here thinking this
old coot is clocking 45 mph under his own steam.
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Now you tell us you had an E-motor! I tried that trick on a Corvette that turned into the road right
behind me on the way home the other day (with no E-motor), and barely made it to the near
intersection at the same time. We both had a good laugh while stopped at the light, and I got a nice
applause from a car driver waiting on the other side of the light.

I get the feeling that taking Road Runner advice from Wile E. Coyote is extremely hazardous. :-)

"Torben Scheel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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But we do have (or had) the "Ellert" ellert.infoET2002 3.jpgOpen ↗

Regards, Torben

WOW! I thought 'elllert' would be a radar speed detecter for Joshua. What a surprising neat vehicle
similar to the Messershmidt(sp) of the '50s. Us "backwoods" Californians should see more
transportation the rest of the world is enjoying!

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

Joshua Goldberg <[email hidden]> wrote:
: off like 0-80 mph in 4 seconds. Meanwhile I arrived at the next Red traffic light only a block
: away just as he hits his brakes and slides up next to me. I look over and yell...Hey Mister what
: took you so long. He wasn't smiling now and did an illegal turn and shot up North on Bay Street
: like a rocket. I know that car was mega fast, but with only 500 feet between Red traffic
: lights....I smoked him good. That car btw is like $600K in Toronto.

That was one pretty expensive $600K 🙁

I guess it wasn't a fair match b'coz you didn't give the guy time to warm up his tires. Your
bragging prolly made it even worse, too 😉

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Joshua Goldberg <[email hidden]> wrote:
: At some point everyone will desire a motor assist for their bent...it just takes some of us longer
: to figure it out. Re: all the benefits of having a bent HPV are still there...except now you can
: do 25 mph up hill or into a strong headwind.

Bleh, 25 mph uphill can be done on a decent upright... dunno about headwinds :p

: don't and there is hardly any noticeable drag (if) a properly balanced cargo trailer is used for
: your batteries.....hmmm am singing to the wrong Choir

Just get a trike.

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hey speaking of Lamborghinis - I just came home from Kuaui, and saw a very red Lamborghini Diablo
(?) pulled over by 3 cop cars. The driver had a long white beard, long white hair, aloha shirt -
looked exactly like Santa on summer vacation. What a picture that would have made - Santa busted
in Hawaii!!

"Hillel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Some comments often made about the Rotator Tiger is that people think it's too low to be safe.
Lowracers scare them.

Yesterday, on the way home from work I was passed by a Lamborghini Diablo(?). The top of that car
was below my shoulder while riding the Tiger. :-)

Bill Just spent 8 hours on Yahoo preaching to the masses about how good the Crystalyte Hub Motor
kits are and then I see your message....at least everyone on Yahoo already has a motor on their DF
or Bent and there are an awfully large # of bent folk on Yahoo with Motor-Assists. Same questions
too, like what tires to use, what PSI, suspension systems, hardshell seats etc.

Your question on bike paths excluding Power-Assisted bikes? The exclusion is directed at ICE bikes
(ICE = Internal Combustion Engines), most trails/paths accept the quiet E-Motors. Not sure anyone
would appreciate an E-Bike doing 45 mph though, sane driving speeds and courtesy are expected always
and if any cyclist beit HPV or Power-Assisted needs to respect others or should be banned.

As for why not just buy a Motorcycle?

Well an E-Motor Power-Assisted DF or Bent is currently excluded from requiring a Drivers Permit,
Licence, Registration, Insurance, does NOT need to pay for Metered parking, does not have to remain
on the road when traffic is backed up 5 miles, most of our bikes can be put into the trunk of a car,
taken on Public Transit etc...none of which you can do with with a Motorcycle and we usually build
our bikes and a Motorcycle you pay the big bucks and ride it away from the dealer showroom.

Enuff Said
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"Bill Anton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hmmm, a 500 watt hub motor sounds tempting. I'd need something like a 62T chainring up front if I
wanted to pedal very much at 45 MPH without spinning a 180 cadence. (I've done 45 before without a
motor, downhill.) Wouldn't such a motor technically exclude you from any bike path where
"motorized vehicles" are prohibited? 45 on a hike/bike trail would sure [censored] of some old ladies
out walking their dogs.

For me, though, there's another overriding concern: a motor seems to defeat the purpose of cycling
for fitness. Hills and headwinds give me a challenge to which I must rise. Sometimes I like to
ride out downwind first, then fight the wind coming home. A motor in these situations would get me
to the house sooner, but in the end I'd have less muscle mass and less cardiovascular endurance.
Sure motors are fun, but then motorcycles are fun too. If you want basic and expedient
transportation and are willing to sacrifice exercise, then why not just get a motorbike?

Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

Hmmm, a 500 watt hub motor sounds tempting. I'd need something like a 62T chainring up front if I
wanted to pedal very much at 45 MPH without spinning a 180 cadence. (I've done 45 before without a
motor, downhill.) Wouldn't such a motor technically exclude you from any bike path where "motorized
vehicles" are prohibited? 45 on a hike/bike trail would sure [censored] of some old ladies out walking
their dogs.

For me, though, there's another overriding concern: a motor seems to defeat the purpose of cycling
for fitness. Hills and headwinds give me a challenge to which I must rise. Sometimes I like to ride
out downwind first, then fight the wind coming home. A motor in these situations would get me to the
house sooner, but in the end I'd have less muscle mass and less cardiovascular endurance. Sure
motors are fun, but then motorcycles are fun too. If you want basic and expedient transportation and
are willing to sacrifice exercise, then why not just get a motorbike?

Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Skip I keep forgetting to mention my CLWB has a 68 Volt 500 watt Hub Motor with a Burst to 1,000
watts for 5 seconds. On a flat street I can clock 45 mph at -45 mph in 8 seconds. I do have 2
bents without E-Motors as well. I'll try and remember to mention if I am smoking Ferarris with or
without my E-Bent involved. No point in folks here thinking this old coot is clocking 45 mph under
his own steam.
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"skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sunday noon I smoked a NEW Ferarri. Twas Black and looked to be about

10

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

minutes old. I was in the Financial District (Toronto) on a one way

street

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Adelaide Street). I was waiting for the traffic light to change when

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

beautiful Ferarri pulls up beside me. Late 50s looking chap driving...we look at each other
for a second and I yell....hey Mister...ya wanna race

me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The guys grins and humors me. He starts reving his engine, really loud

like

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a F-1, the car is now vibrating and the light turns green and I glance

over

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and see his tires spinning but he ain't moving an inch....just moves

side to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

side with his wheels spinning and then this high pitched squeal and he

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

off like 0-80 mph in 4 seconds. Meanwhile I arrived at the next Red

traffic

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

light only a block away just as he hits his brakes and slides up next to

me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I look over and yell...Hey Mister what took you so long. He wasn't

smiling

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now and did an illegal turn and shot up North on Bay Street like a

rocket.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I know that car was mega fast, but with only 500 feet between Red

traffic

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lights....I smoked him good. That car btw is like $600K in Toronto.

I give you a A+ grade on your "I smoked a Ferarri" story. As usual your story was an excellent
work. Just what we needed.

thanks.

skip

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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As for why not just buy a Motorcycle?

Well an E-Motor Power-Assisted DF or Bent is currently excluded from requiring a Drivers Permit,
Licence, Registration, Insurance, does NOT need to pay for Metered parking, does not have to
remain on the road when traffic is backed up 5 miles, most of our bikes can be put into the trunk
of a car, taken on Public Transit etc...none of which you can do with with a Motorcycle and we
usually build our bikes and a Motorcycle you pay the big bucks and ride it away from the dealer
showroom.

Well, now, that's a fairly broad and inaccurate statement. Most places have limits on both wattage
and speed in order to go unlicensed. These rules apply whether you are using electric or ICE. IIRC,
in the US that limit is 250 watts and 20 MPH, but I'm not 100% certain of these numbers. They should
be somewhat close, though.

So your 500 watt, 45 MPH powered trike wouldn't qualify as an unregisterable vehicle.

Claiming your vehicle is "power assisted" in order to get around traffic and licensing regulations
is a very good way to both [censored] other drivers and screw things up for people using
power-assists properly.

-Bill Hamilton