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I hate to tell you this, but eating carbs is a problem for diabetics.

Carbs

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are in rice breads and fruit. Fruit can be especially problematic for diabetics. What does your
meter say when you eat all these things?

May I ask: so I know that white rice, white bread etc... are a no no. And it's recommended to eat
brown rice, whole grains etc... Does that mean that even that is suspect for Type II? I have been
eating brown rice every day except today. My after 2 hour bg was 8.4 (151) which was lower than
it's been: 11, 12. (198, 216). I also have been eating whole grain bread in the morning.

You may or may not be able to eat these things. Some people find they can't eat them at all. But
your numbers are still too high, so you are eating more than your body can handle. Also, the body is
the most insulin resistant in the morning, so you may find you must eat fewer carbs then. On a good
day, I can eat two slices of toast. If my BG is >150, I eat only protein. A serving of rice for a
diabetic is 1/3 cup.

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If one is lowering their intake of carbs, what types of food do you eat in a meal? Another
complication that I have is that I'm allergic to eggs and that affects a lot of things already.

My Mom is allergic to eggs, among other things. Yes, there are eggs in many foods, but there are
plenty of foods that have no eggs. My typical diet is:

Breakfast: Two slices light bread, toasted and topped with cholesterol lowering margarine. 1/2 cup
1% cottage cheese or 1 hard boiled egg.

Lunch: 6 blue corn chips, 3/4 cup fat free refried beans with 1/4 c. shredded cheese and 2 c. raw
veggies. Might also add salsa and onions to this.

Breakfast and lunch are almost always the same. Dinner will vary.

Tonight, I had about 1 c. whole wheat noodles topped with beef and gravy and a tossed salad with
no dressing.

Bedtime snack is usually 1 c. mashed potatoes with cheese mixed in. I tried popcorn and cheese
tonight. Popcorn has been leaving me with a morning fasting that is too high, but I thought I'd try
it because my numbers have been lower than usual today.

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For fruit, I've been switching between bananas, grapefruit and oranges.

Bananas and oranges are probably the two worst fruits a diabetic can eat because they are packed
with natural sugar. In other words, fast acting carbs. 1/2 a small banana is a serving for a
diabetic. You might have better luck with berries.

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:02:28 -0500, "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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May I ask: so I know that white rice, white bread etc... are a no no. And it's recommended to eat
brown rice, whole grains etc... Does that mean that even that is suspect for Type II? I have been
eating brown rice every day except today. My after 2 hour bg was 8.4 (151) which was lower than
it's been: 11, 12. (198, 216). I also have been eating whole grain bread in the morning.

You may or may not be able to eat these things. Some people find they can't eat them at all. But
your numbers are still too high, so you are eating more than your body can handle. Also, the body
is the most insulin resistant in the morning, so you may find you must eat fewer carbs then. On a
good day, I can eat two slices of toast. If my BG is >150, I eat only protein. A serving of rice
for a diabetic is 1/3 cup.

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One thing that isn't often explained to newbies is that the quantity is equally important. You can
eat just about anything you aren't allergic to, but you can no longer eat the portion sizes you used
to, or the size of meals you used to.

There are some things, like potato, sugary desserts, many bakery products, rice etc, which can only
be eaten in very small portions before they will markedly raise your blood glucose. For some of us,
that size is so small it's not worth the bother of preparing or cooking it. For others, they prefer
to have a very small serve than none at all.

As an example, the difference between brown and white rice for me is double; that is I can eat twice
the size serve of brown to white for the same effect on BGs. Unfortunately, that's still a very
small serve: one heaped tablespoon of cooked rice, with no other carbs at that meal. For you it may
be different. The only way to find out is to test, test, test as Jennifer recommends.

Julie has also mentioned the diurnal variation. Try not having any toast or cereal in the morning,
have protein instead (ham and egg, bacon, mushrooms with cheese etc). If you need the roughage, have
your cereal as a late supper before bed. I think you might be pleasantly surprised at the results.

As a simple rule of thumb, until you know what's happening, cut back drastically on the carbs
portion sizes. And fruit is just another carb, usually full of fructose. Fruit juice can be worse
for you than coca-cola (and that's hard to do).

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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There are some foods that I would simply never eat any more, and others that I eat infrequently
and in very limited amounts.

I was invited out to lunch by 2 friends that I have know for at least 60 years. We went all the way
through school ogether. Had to turn it down as they are going to the Olive Garden and I do not think
I am able to eat there yet. Had diagnosis for 1 year and do not want to get into trouble. Do not
think I am ready to face the tempation. Would be like going to Pizza Hut and only eating a salad.
Yeah, sure. Betty.

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There are some foods that I would simply never eat any more, and others that I eat infrequently
and in very limited amounts.

I was invited out to lunch by 2 friends that I have know for at least 60

years.

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We went all the way through school ogether. Had to turn it down as they

are

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going to the Olive Garden and I do not think I am able to eat there yet.

Had

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diagnosis for 1 year and do not want to get into trouble. Do not think I

am

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ready to face the tempation. Would be like going to Pizza Hut and only

eating a

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salad. Yeah, sure. Betty.

Actually, I ate there several times with no problem. I was very selective as to what I ate though,
having just one bowl of soup, the tossed salad and the Mozzarella, Basil and Tomato salad. Can't
remember now what soup I ordered, but I think it might have been Pasta Fagioli. When I ate there, it
was during that time when I had the bad sinus infection and the subsequent high BG forced me to eat
less carbs than I normally do.

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I could eat a large pizza. Trouble is that afterwards I'd have to go on a 30 mile intensive bicycle
ride to work it off...

Henry

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There are some foods that I would simply never eat any more, and others that I eat infrequently
and in very limited amounts.

I was invited out to lunch by 2 friends that I have know for at least 60

years.

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We went all the way through school ogether. Had to turn it down as they

are

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going to the Olive Garden and I do not think I am able to eat there yet.

Had

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diagnosis for 1 year and do not want to get into trouble. Do not think I

am

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ready to face the tempation. Would be like going to Pizza Hut and only

eating a

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salad. Yeah, sure. Betty.

Hey that's all most exactly what I had. When I was done with the soup there was a little pile of
macaroni heaped up on the bottom.
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There are some foods that I would simply never eat any more, and others that I eat
infrequently and in very limited amounts.

I was invited out to lunch by 2 friends that I have know for at least 60

years.

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We went all the way through school ogether. Had to turn it down as they

are

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going to the Olive Garden and I do not think I am able to eat there yet.

Had

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diagnosis for 1 year and do not want to get into trouble. Do not think I

am

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ready to face the tempation. Would be like going to Pizza Hut and only

eating a

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salad. Yeah, sure. Betty.

Actually, I ate there several times with no problem. I was very selective as to what I ate though,
having just one bowl of soup, the tossed salad

and

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the Mozzarella, Basil and Tomato salad. Can't remember now what soup I ordered, but I think it
might have been Pasta Fagioli. When I ate there,

it

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was during that time when I had the bad sinus infection and the subsequent high BG forced me to
eat less carbs than I normally do.

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:53:43 +1100, "hemyd" <[email hidden]>

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I could eat a large pizza. Trouble is that afterwards I'd have to go on a 30 mile intensive bicycle
ride to work it off...

Henry

Hi Henry

I make pizza at home, in individual 8" (20cm) diameter serves. I base it on a very thin crust with a
wide variety of toppings. I usually eat three quarters and keep one for a late snack. Favourite
topping is Capricciosa.

I just checked my records. Raises my BGs about 1 mmol (18) at one hour last three times I ate it
for dinner. Back to normal at the two hour. I might stick the recipe on a.f.d. if I get energetic
enough :-)

While I was travelling Europe, I often shared a standard large Margharita with my wife for lunch;
generally rose between 1 and 1.5 (27) at one hour, and was still up about one mmol at the two hour.
We usually had two slices each and saved a slice each for later.

So I've found it to be one of the better fast foods, subject to serve size.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:43:50 +1100, Alan <[email hidden]>

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I make pizza at home, in individual 8" (20cm) diameter serves. I base it on a very thin crust with
a wide variety of toppings. I usually eat three quarters and keep one for a late snack. Favourite
topping is Capricciosa.

I just checked my records. Raises my BGs about 1 mmol (18) at one hour last three times I ate it
for dinner. Back to normal at the two hour. I might stick the recipe on a.f.d. if I get energetic
enough :-)

Done that. It's now on a.f.d.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.