How much does L'Equipe hate Lance?

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B. Lafferty:
Proof? [about Merckx being paid not to race]

Besides the fact that Merckx has said so, the 1973 Tour Director
Jacques Goddet publicly stated that they would rather have "someone
else win the Tour for a change." Merckx had won the previous four Tours
and the French were starting to get itchy that someone might equal
Jacques Anquetil's then-record 5 Tour wins.

Merckx was so dominant in those four Tours (1969-1972), he won the Tour
and the points competition in all four. And in the first two (1969,
1970) he additionally won the King of the Mountains, the only two times
a rider has ever won the yellow, green, and polka dot jerseys in the
same Tour.

This isn't proof that he received payment not to race the '73 Tour. But
it sure is evidence that supports Merckx's assertion.

In 1973, Merckx won the Tour of Spain and the Giro in the spring.
"Trying to equal Jacques Anqetil's record of winning the Tour five times did
not interest me. I have always ridden according to my instinct rather than
to a certain plan. Besides, I got a lot of resistance from Thevenet and
Ocana in that Vuelta. The nice thing about July was that for the first time
since becoming a professional, I had a chance of getting some rest. I even
went with my family to the coast for a few days. I never really gave any
thought to riding the trio: Vuelta-Giro-Tour."
Eddy Merckx quoted in Van Walleghem's book at p.143

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OK. Give us cites and sources to prove your assertion that Merckx said
such on several occasions.

No need. Just like your "anyone that does well in professional racing MUST
be doping" it stands without any evidence required.

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If you want "proof" (is the another part of the Millar Rule?) then ask
him yourself. Tell him you're a lawyer and will sue him if he doesn't
have proof of his statements.

Strawman; and a stupid one like you at that.

No a strawman is that guy you see in the mirror without a backbone.

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Is it very surprising that the French (on the whole) don't much like the
Americans?

Please, spare me your politics. If it wasn't for the U.S., the French
would still be speaking German. They didn't even stand up to [censored]
when he invaded Paris, surrendering in 1940. Mr. [censored], care for
another glass of fine French wine?

As German officers were striping the greatest works of art from the Paris
museums, the French aristocrats were clicking their tongues.

I have to tell you, the street sweepers in Paris are mostly grand men. It
was the French rich who despised everyone but themselves.

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I have many European and other non-American coworkers
and colleagues.

Luckily you realized that you didn't have the balls to proclaim them
friends. No one here would believe you have friends.

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OK. Give us cites and sources to prove your assertion that Merckx said
such on several occasions.

No need. Just like your "anyone that does well in professional racing MUST
be doping" it stands without any evidence required.

Ah, but there is a need, Tommy. You made a very clear assertion as to
Merckx, the 1973 Tour and other races. I'll make it easy for you. Back the
assertion up as to only the 1973 Tour. Either that or admit you have no
idea what you were ranting about. While you're looking for that backup,
consider this from Merckx:

"Trying to equal Jacques Anqetil's record of winning the Tour five times did
not interest me. I have always ridden according to my instinct rather than
to a certain plan. Besides, I got a lot of resistance from Thevenet and
Ocana in that Vuelta. The nice thing about July was that for the first time
since becoming a professional, I had a chance of getting some rest. I even
went with my family to the coast for a few days. I never really gave any
thought to riding the trio: Vuelta-Giro-Tour."
Eddy Merckx quoted in Van Walleghem's book at p.143

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"Trying to equal Jacques Anqetil's record of winning the Tour five times
did
not interest me. I have always ridden according to my instinct rather than
to a certain plan. Besides, I got a lot of resistance from Thevenet and
Ocana in that Vuelta. The nice thing about July was that for the first
time
since becoming a professional, I had a chance of getting some rest. I even
went with my family to the coast for a few days. I never really gave any
thought to riding the trio: Vuelta-Giro-Tour."
Eddy Merckx quoted in Van Walleghem's book at p.143

And of course you aren't bright enough to understand that supports my claim.
But then what else is new?

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"Trying to equal Jacques Anqetil's record of winning the Tour five times
did
not interest me. I have always ridden according to my instinct rather
than
to a certain plan. Besides, I got a lot of resistance from Thevenet and
Ocana in that Vuelta. The nice thing about July was that for the first
time
since becoming a professional, I had a chance of getting some rest. I
even
went with my family to the coast for a few days. I never really gave any
thought to riding the trio: Vuelta-Giro-Tour."
Eddy Merckx quoted in Van Walleghem's book at p.143

And of course you aren't bright enough to understand that supports my
claim. But then what else is new?

Oh, you think ASO would pay a man who didn't want to ride the Tour to not
ride the Tour. ROTFL! You're mind is gone, Eunuch. I'm still waiting for
a cite to a Merckx statement that he accepted money to not ride the 1973
Tour. Where is it, Tommy?

Ludmila Borgschatz-Thudpucker said:

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In the past two days, I've watched the TDF, cheered for France against
Brazil in the WC, gone for a ride on a bike with Michelin tires, drank
a bottle of Rhone wine, cooked a dinner of coq au vin and made plans
for an August vacation in the Pyrenees.

Damn. And I thought I was tres chic because I ate my French Fries with elan
and exhibited more than my usual je ne sais quoi while I watched "Fox News
Sunday".

If you really watched Fox News, then you woud know that those are
Freedom Fries, not French Fries. I've been told by a frenchman that
they consider fries to be a Belgian thing and they have no idea why
we're so upset with the Belgians.

Bret

Simon Brooke said:

Is it very surprising that the French (on the whole) don't
much like the Americans?

What makes you think this? I think that the French (on the whole) are
quite successful at distinguishing Americans from the current American
administration.

Robert Chung said:

Simon Brooke said:

Is it very surprising that the French (on the whole) don't
much like the Americans?

What makes you think this? I think that the French (on the whole) are
quite successful at distinguishing Americans from the current American
administration.

"The French couldn't hate us any more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
- Will Rogers circa 1930

Ron

Bret said:

Ludmila Borgschatz-Thudpucker said:

Damn. And I thought I was tres chic because I ate my French Fries with elan
and exhibited more than my usual je ne sais quoi while I watched "Fox News
Sunday".

If you really watched Fox News, then you woud know that those are
Freedom Fries, not French Fries. I've been told by a frenchman that
they consider fries to be a Belgian thing and they have no idea why
we're so upset with the Belgians.

A Frenchman said he didn't understand why someone
would make fun of Belgians? He must have been
pulling your leg.

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If you really watched Fox News, then you woud know that those are
Freedom Fries, not French Fries. I've been told by a frenchman that
they consider fries to be a Belgian thing and they have no idea why
we're so upset with the Belgians.

It was those damned waffles.

Yet another example is today's headline:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html

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Dopage

Lance Armstrong, soupçonné de dopage, retire ses plaintes pour
diffamations déposées en France.
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Doping

Lance Armstrong, suspected of doping, withdraws his lawsuit for
defamation
in France.
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The article itself,
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20060705_201850Dev.html ,
then describes why Armstrong did this, he was satisfied with his legal
victories in the UK and in the USA (apparently, the first time L'Equipe
refers
to the fact that Armstrong won the case where L'Equipe took its
incriminating
quotes). I suppose that is an improvement.

-ilan

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In their list of Tour de France legends Armstrong appears 5th, behind
Indurain!!
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/TDF_06_LEGENDES.html
Once again, this proves L'Equipe's irrational hatred of Lance
Armstrong, since
his achievements are objectively superior to Indurain's in almost every
respect:
He won more Tours, he won more stages, he won many road stages during
his overal
wins (Indurain = 0), he won a stage in his first participation, he won
more stages
before his tour wins, etc., etc. He even gave up stage wins, a la
Indurain. As far
as I can tell, Indurain was superior to Armstrong in his domination of
the time
trials by almost 3 minutes in two of his tour wins.

Oh, and note that in their caption on Tour legends, Armstrong does not
even
appear, as they only give pictures of their top 4.

-ilan

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"Trying to equal Jacques Anqetil's record of winning the Tour five times
did
not interest me. I have always ridden according to my instinct rather
than
to a certain plan. Besides, I got a lot of resistance from Thevenet and
Ocana in that Vuelta. The nice thing about July was that for the first
time
since becoming a professional, I had a chance of getting some rest. I
even
went with my family to the coast for a few days. I never really gave
any
thought to riding the trio: Vuelta-Giro-Tour."
Eddy Merckx quoted in Van Walleghem's book at p.143

And of course you aren't bright enough to understand that supports my
claim. But then what else is new?

Oh, you think ASO would pay a man who didn't want to ride the Tour to not
ride the Tour. ROTFL! You're mind is gone, Eunuch. I'm still waiting
for a cite to a Merckx statement that he accepted money to not ride the
1973 Tour. Where is it, Tommy?

Keep replying Lafferty - you make yourself you dumber with each posting. By
the way - where is it exactly that Merckx said he didn't want to ride the
Tour?

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Simon Brooke said:

Is it very surprising that the French (on the whole) don't
much like the Americans?

What makes you think this? I think that the French (on the whole) are
quite successful at distinguishing Americans from the current American
administration.

So what you're saying is that the French prefer their Americans to be
feckless cowards like Clinton and certain posters here? At least as long as
they don't need Nazis and other socialists chased out of their country?

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>
> "Trying to equal Jacques Anqetil's record of winning the Tour five
> times did
> not interest me. I have always ridden according to my instinct rather
> than
> to a certain plan. Besides, I got a lot of resistance from Thevenet and
> Ocana in that Vuelta. The nice thing about July was that for the first
> time
> since becoming a professional, I had a chance of getting some rest. I
> even
> went with my family to the coast for a few days. I never really gave
> any
> thought to riding the trio: Vuelta-Giro-Tour."
> Eddy Merckx quoted in Van Walleghem's book at p.143

And of course you aren't bright enough to understand that supports my
claim. But then what else is new?

Oh, you think ASO would pay a man who didn't want to ride the Tour to not
ride the Tour. ROTFL! You're mind is gone, Eunuch. I'm still waiting
for a cite to a Merckx statement that he accepted money to not ride the
1973 Tour. Where is it, Tommy?

Keep replying Lafferty - you make yourself you dumber with each posting.
By the way - where is it exactly that Merckx said he didn't want to ride
the Tour?

Merckx quoted by Rick Van Walleghem in his book "EM The Greatest Cyclist of
the 20th Century"; sidebar, page 143.

Now prove your assertion, Eunuch.

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Tom Kunich said:

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Simon Brooke said:

Is it very surprising that the French (on the whole) don't
much like the Americans?

What makes you think this? I think that the French (on the whole) are
quite successful at distinguishing Americans from the current American
administration.

So what you're saying is that the French prefer their Americans to be
feckless cowards like Clinton and certain posters here? At least as
long as they don't need Nazis and other socialists chased out of their
country?

Nope. I'm saying that the French (on the whole) are quite successful in
distinguishing an impotent buffoon like you from a dangerous bumbler like
our President.

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:14:46 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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So what you're saying is that the French prefer their Americans to be
feckless cowards like Clinton and certain posters here? At least as long as
they don't need Nazis and other socialists chased out of their country?

Cowardice is taking the only life a boy has so I can feel a bit safer
thousands of miles away. The only answer for the real cowards is to
keep this up until there is the U.S. and then the nuclear parking
lots. If we want to keep repeating that we are the only super power,
we better be willing to take the associated risks.

Even if I were to find it necessary - and I don't - I would find
nothing 'brave' in sitting at home and voting to send someone else to
fight - knowing that worse comes to worse, we can always bug out when
it has all gone to hell. Been there, done that when it was my friends
on the ground. And dying.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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Kunich (') said:

Ernst - are you being purposely obtuse? If Bush was the ONLY one to
have talked about the WMD would you support him?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Was Clinton lying?

No. Clinton didn't say either that Iraq already had WoMD, nor that he
could deploy them in 45 minutes. He said (correctly) that Iraq did not
have any, and that he (Clinton) was determined to prevent Iraq
developing any. In which, in case you hadn't noticed, he succeeded
completely. It was Bush and his poodle Bliar who lied.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; When all else fails, read the distractions.

Simon Brooke said:

It was Bush and his poodle Bliar who lied.

Barney and Miss Beezley resent that remark. No self respecting Scottie
would tolerate a poodle or any other rodent.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...