How much $ do chefs make?

hahabogus said:

"modom (palindrome guy)" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:41:43 -0400, Ward Abbott <[email hidden]>

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:05:52 -0500, notbob <[email hidden]> wrote:

>other
>> lusers.

lusers? HUH?

loosers
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loser? perhaps.... Looser is not tight. Like in looser than goose [censored].

I stand by my looser.
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Zippy P said:

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I hope zippy doesn't have plans to become rich and famous through
cooking. I found a very disturbing article tonight about the
California Culinary Academy.
http://www.sfweekly.com/2007-06-06/news/burnt-chefs/1

Holy crarp that's a damning article. Thanks for that. I just
finished my law degree and thought it might be more fun to go to
school for another couple of years and get an AA in Cheffin'... but
it looks like a new shmuck straight out of law school makes twice
what the average sous chef makes. That's crazy.. are there just a
whole lot of chefs out there or what? Or maybe a lot of
restaurants.. keep driving the prices of dinner, and thus of chef
wages, down?

Fact is, culinary degree (from wherever!) or not, you don't walk into a
restaurant and immediately be appointed the head chef or even sous chef. It
just doesn't work that way. As Reg pointed out, you'd most likely start out
as a line cook. Depending upon your geographic area, the salaries will
vary. The hours are long, the work largely unappreciated. Of course, the
same could be said about lawyers 😉

Jill

modom (palindrome guy) said:

hahabogus said:

"modom (palindrome guy)" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:41:43 -0400, Ward Abbott <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:05:52 -0500, notbob <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> other
>>> lusers.
>
> lusers? HUH?
>
loosers
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modom

loser? perhaps.... Looser is not tight. Like in looser than goose
[censored].

I stand by my looser.
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modom

Nope, sorry, it's "loser".

jmcquown said:

At our local community college the classes in their culinary arts program
cost $100 per credit hour, with most classes being 3-4 hours each. So
you're looking at $300-400 per class and of course many classes are required
to complete the program.

In California, CC units are $26 (not sure if that's current, but it's
close).

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:40:39 GMT, "Zippy P" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope zippy doesn't have plans to become rich and famous through
cooking. I found a very disturbing article tonight about the
California Culinary Academy.
http://www.sfweekly.com/2007-06-06/news/burnt-chefs/1

Holy crarp that's a damning article. Thanks for that. I just finished my
law degree and thought it might be more fun to go to school for another
couple of years and get an AA in Cheffin'... but it looks like a new shmuck
straight out of law school makes twice what the average sous chef makes.
That's crazy.. are there just a whole lot of chefs out there or what? Or
maybe a lot of restaurants.. keep driving the prices of dinner, and thus of
chef wages, down?

You sound like a career student in the making. Get out there and do
some lawyering, boy! Make your mama proud.

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sf said:

In California, CC units are $26 (not sure if that's current, but it's
close).

Austin is $39/credit for residents. There's some other basic
fees on top of those (like labs, registration, and of course
books), but that's about it.

California has the most subsidized system of all, at least that
I've seen.

-sw

jmcquown said:

Fact is, culinary degree (from wherever!) or not, you don't walk into a
restaurant and immediately be appointed the head chef or even sous chef. It
just doesn't work that way. As Reg pointed out, you'd most likely start out
as a line cook. Depending upon your geographic area, the salaries will
vary. The hours are long, the work largely unappreciated. Of course, the
same could be said about lawyers 😉

Jill

I have to disagree Jill, most lawyers do not work that many hours.
Unless they are brand new in a large firm.
All in all, the average lawyer will make about 5 times what the
average chef makes.

jmcquown said:

modom (palindrome guy) said:

hahabogus said:

"modom (palindrome guy)" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:41:43 -0400, Ward Abbott <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:05:52 -0500, notbob <[email hidden]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> other
>>>> lusers.
>>
>> lusers? HUH?
>>
> loosers

loser? perhaps.... Looser is not tight. Like in looser than goose
[censored].

I stand by my looser.

Quoted message said:

Nope, sorry, it's "loser".

That just goes to show that I'm looser than you are in this exchange.
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Steve Wertz said:

sf said:

In California, CC units are $26 (not sure if that's current, but
it's close).

Austin is $39/credit for residents. There's some other basic
fees on top of those (like labs, registration, and of course
books), but that's about it.

St. Louis CC is $81 per credit hour next fall. I was a bit surprised at
how high it is.

Brian

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John Kane said:

Zippy P said:

Wondering how much the average US chef makes in a fairly high-quality
restaurant in a major city. I don't mean a chain restaurant but a good,
quality place.

Executive Chefs, Sous chefs and Line chefs, specifically.

Any numbers anyone?

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http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#35-0000

That site reported a mean of $37,800 for head chefs. That might even be a
little high for this neck of the woods. One of my nephews is a chef in a
winery restaurant. He was worked his way up, but I was surprised to hear
that even a year after he graduated from college he was only making about
$10 per hour as a line cook. I thought it sounded like a waste of time to
go to college for a few years to make just a little more than minimum wage.

Dave Smith said:

John Kane said:

Zippy P said:

Wondering how much the average US chef makes in a fairly high-quality
restaurant in a major city. I don't mean a chain restaurant but a good,
quality place.

Executive Chefs, Sous chefs and Line chefs, specifically.

Any numbers anyone?

--
Cite your sources.
I'm not interested in your opinion.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#35-0000

That site reported a mean of $37,800 for head chefs. That might even be a
little high for this neck of the woods. One of my nephews is a chef in a
winery restaurant. He was worked his way up, but I was surprised to hear
that even a year after he graduated from college he was only making about
$10 per hour as a line cook. I thought it sounded like a waste of time to
go to college for a few years to make just a little more than minimum wage.

Thats not unusual starting out. My nephew just went through that. He has
a degree in accounting. He went to work for the "big" local accounting
firm. He got $18,000/year *salary*. He had to put in at least 50
hours/week minimum. He had to do it for a number of years before he
could sit for the CPA exam.

Dave Smith said:

John Kane wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#35-0000

That site reported a mean of $37,800 for head chefs. That might even be a
little high for this neck of the woods. One of my nephews is a chef in a
winery restaurant. He was worked his way up, but I was surprised to hear
that even a year after he graduated from college he was only making about
$10 per hour as a line cook. I thought it sounded like a waste of time to
go to college for a few years to make just a little more than minimum wage.

Well, I agree with you. Your nephew graduated from college, so he should
be earning more than $10 per hour. If he is happy, that is all that
matters. One of my cousins graduated from college, he had a golf
scholarship. He went to law school, passed the bar, and he is working as
a bartender at a country club. He likes it. You can't figure kids out. LOL

Becca

Dave Smith said:

John Kane said:

Zippy P said:

Wondering how much the average US chef makes in a fairly high-quality
restaurant in a major city. I don't mean a chain restaurant but a good,
quality place.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Executive Chefs, Sous chefs and Line chefs, specifically.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any numbers anyone?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Cite your sources.
I'm not interested in your opinion.

Quoted message said:

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#35-0000

That site reported a mean of $37,800 for head chefs. That might even be a
little high for this neck of the woods. One of my nephews is a chef in a
winery restaurant. He was worked his way up, but I was surprised to hear
that even a year after he graduated from college he was only making about
$10 per hour as a line cook. I thought it sounded like a waste of time to
go to college for a few years to make just a little more than minimum wage.

Those are US figures David. Canadian figures below but they may not
be directly comparable as Cda and USA use different defintions . I
suspect that even the major executive chefs for the big hotels etc max
out under 80,000

Canada
Total - Full-year, full-time workers Average employment income $
G411 Chefs 18570 29629
G412 Cooks 69350 21177

Down here in San Diego the community colleges are $20 a unit now!

And if a majority of the students in the class are over 55, the entire class
is free for everyone. Isn't that nuts? So instead of spending $20,000 to
$50,000 for an AA you can get one for a couple thousand, or if you team up
with some oldsters you can get it for FREE.

Tax dollars at work, for once in a helpful way.

Zippy P said:

Down here in San Diego the community colleges are $20 a unit now!

And if a majority of the students in the class are over 55, the entire class
is free for everyone. Isn't that nuts? So instead of spending $20,000 to
$50,000 for an AA you can get one for a couple thousand, or if you team up
with some oldsters you can get it for FREE.

Tax dollars at work, for once in a helpful way.

When I lived in San Diego in the mid-60's, all community colleges were
free to all residents. Not only that, CA had a surplus of several
billion dollars in tax money in the 70's (Could have been in the
80''s) Look what's happened!
Dee Dee

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:13:16 GMT, "Zippy P" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Down here in San Diego the community colleges are $20 a unit now!

And if a majority of the students in the class are over 55, the entire class
is free for everyone. Isn't that nuts? So instead of spending $20,000 to
$50,000 for an AA you can get one for a couple thousand, or if you team up
with some oldsters you can get it for FREE.

KEWL! I didn't know that.

Quoted message said:

Tax dollars at work, for once in a helpful way.

California Community Colleges train, retrain and offer 60 units that
can be transfered to a 4 year institution. If students come to
college unprepared, they even offer remedial classes so the motivated
can move on.

California's vision was to provide an affordable education to
California residents. It's too bad we've lost sight of it.
Unfortunately, the system is overloaded and tuition is rising.

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Zippy P said:

And if a majority of the students in the class are over 55, the entire class
is free for everyone. Isn't that nuts? So instead of spending $20,000 to
$50,000 for an AA you can get one for a couple thousand, or if you team up
with some oldsters you can get it for FREE.

An AA or even an AS degeree doesn't really help you in most
kitchens. It may help you as an event coordinator or caterer or
front of house, but back of the house only comes from experience.

Being Mexican certainly helps, too.

-sw

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:15:50 -0700, Dee Dee <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Zippy P said:

Down here in San Diego the community colleges are $20 a unit now!

And if a majority of the students in the class are over 55, the entire class
is free for everyone. Isn't that nuts? So instead of spending $20,000 to
$50,000 for an AA you can get one for a couple thousand, or if you team up
with some oldsters you can get it for FREE.

Tax dollars at work, for once in a helpful way.

When I lived in San Diego in the mid-60's, all community colleges were
free to all residents. Not only that, CA had a surplus of several
billion dollars in tax money in the 70's (Could have been in the
80''s) Look what's happened!

It went downhill with the Regan governorship and hasn't stopped, Dee.

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Steve Wertz said:

An AA or even an AS degeree doesn't really help you in most
kitchens. It may help you as an event coordinator or caterer or
front of house, but back of the house only comes from experience.

Most of what you learn in college is theory, Steve. "Practice" comes
later. Their AA provides some experience because they have kitchens
that serve real customers, just like the more expensive culinary
academies.... but it's like with anything else, you improve as you
gain experience in the field.

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