How Many of You Are Using Thunderbird?

Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I use thunderbird for newsgroups. And FireFox for the Web. Two thumbs
up for both.

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-=tn=-

Travis Newbury said:

Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I use thunderbird for newsgroups. And FireFox for the Web. Two thumbs up
for both.

I've been using TBird as my mail client for a while now, but I prefer PAN
as my news reader.
http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/

Travis Newbury said:

Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I use thunderbird for newsgroups. And FireFox for the Web. Two thumbs
up for both.

Yeah, Firefox and T-Bird....two excellent, free, safe, fast and
beautiful programs. I will never use Internet Explorer or Outlook
Express again!

Travis Newbury said:

Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I use thunderbird for newsgroups. And FireFox for the Web. Two thumbs
up for both.

Yeah, Firefox and T-Bird....two excellent, free, safe, fast and
beautiful programs. I will never use Internet Explorer or Outlook
Express again!

Travis Newbury said:

Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I use thunderbird for newsgroups. And FireFox for the Web. Two thumbs
up for both.

Yeah, Firefox and T-Bird....two excellent, free, safe, fast and
beautiful programs. I will never use Internet Explorer or Outlook
Express again!

Howard wrote:
|| GQ <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:53:46 GMT
||
||| On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:01:30 +0700, Xtile <[email hidden]>
||| wrote:
|||
|||| I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!
|||
||| Would you mind explaining more about it and provide a link for those
||| of us who would to check it out?
||
|| Thunderbird's interface superficially resembles that of MS Outlook,
|| but that is where the resemblance ends. It is open-source, and a
|| free download may be found at

Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?

||
|| http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
||
|| I am currently evaluating Thunderbird 1.0, having used Forte Agent
|| for several years (the paid version). I had tried one of the early
|| betas of Thunderbird, and found it unreliable. So far, 1.0 has been
|| more stable, and has some features that I like better than Agent.
|| When I get to where I'm really comfortable with it, I may go ahead
|| and switch over.
||
|| Since I'm very familiar with Agent (after several years of usage),
|| I'm finding a few irritating quirks wih Thunderbird. I suspect it's
|| just a matter of making new finger-habits.
||
|| One thing I really like about Thunderbird over Agent is TB can access
|| several email accounts without having separate directories and
|| databases. Since I keep track of about a dozen email addresses on
|| different hosts, that is a big win for me.

Can't OE do that?

||
|| It also has an RSS reader -- and I think that RSS will eventually be
|| the death of email lists and maybe even newsgroups, because it is
|| *way* better than either. Spammers and other lowlifes have pretty
|| effectively killed mailing lists,

Spammers haven't killed any of the mailing list I'm on.

and trolls are well on their way to
|| killing newsgroups (like this one). Blogs, Fora, and portals with
|| RSS feeds basically do an end-run around the lowlifes (for now,
|| anyway -- no telling what tricks the lowlifes will come up with).
||
|| In the meantime, I also recommend a program called Popfile. I have
|| heard that SpamBayes is better, but I couldn't get SpamBayes to work
|| on my system. Popfile can be downloaded at
||
|| http://sourceforge.net/projects/popfile/
||
|| It sits between you and your incoming email (or newsgroups) as a
|| 'proxy', and filters the incoming messages according to your
|| classifications. It takes a little practice to effectively filter,
|| but it really does cut the clutter. It doesn't actually delete
|| anything, but inserts a tag in the subject line of each message which
|| makes it easier for your regular news/mail reader to classify it.
|| You don't really want it to delete anything, especially at first,
|| because you want to check the classifications and adjust them over
|| time.

I use spamsubtract and it operates a bit differently, As popfile, it sits
between your and your pop server and filters incoming messages. You can
chose to let certain messages through, and you can assign friends which
always get through. The rest, get deleted right off the server (if you
choose to). What I like about it is that I have complete control over what
gets deleted and all is easy to see.

Roger Zoul said:

|| Thunderbird's interface superficially resembles that of MS Outlook,
|| but that is where the resemblance ends. It is open-source, and a
|| free download may be found at
Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?

Not really. To the end user it is still just a program.

Quoted message said:

|| One thing I really like about Thunderbird over Agent is TB can access
|| several email accounts without having separate directories and
|| databases. Since I keep track of about a dozen email addresses on
|| different hosts, that is a big win for me.
Can't OE do that?

Yep sure can. (and OE can even do Hotmail accounts TB can't)

Quoted message said:

|| *way* better than either. Spammers and other lowlifes have pretty
|| effectively killed mailing lists,
Spammers haven't killed any of the mailing list I'm on.

Ditto

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In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul

Quoted message said:

Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?

Sure it is. For one, bugs get found more quickly and squashed a whole
lot faster when the source code is public knowledge. It's the same
reason FreeBSD and MacOSX don't suffer from all the security holes that
plague Windows.

Quoted message said:

|| One thing I really like about Thunderbird over Agent is TB can access
|| several email accounts without having separate directories and
|| databases. Since I keep track of about a dozen email addresses on
|| different hosts, that is a big win for me.

Can't OE do that?

No, it can't. You have to keep switching accounts to get all your
e-mail. It's annoying.

The new Mozilla products are absolutely first-rate.

beavis wrote:
||
|| No, it can't. You have to keep switching accounts to get all
|| your e-mail. It's annoying.

No true...

|| The new Mozilla products are absolutely first-rate.

True.

beavis wrote:
|| In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?
||
|| Sure it is. For one, bugs get found more quickly and squashed a
|| whole lot faster when the source code is public knowledge. It's the
|| same reason FreeBSD and MacOSX don't suffer from all the security
|| holes that plague Windows.

How does this translate to Mozilla? Also, doesn't OS mean that people have
changes to find loopholes?

I also wonder if FreeBSD and MacOSX provide the same targets as Windows.

||
||||| One thing I really like about Thunderbird over Agent is TB can
||||| access several email accounts without having separate directories
||||| and databases. Since I keep track of about a dozen email
||||| addresses on different hosts, that is a big win for me.
|||
||| Can't OE do that?
||
|| No, it can't. You have to keep switching accounts to get all your
|| e-mail. It's annoying.

You speak from no experience, obviously.

||
|| The new Mozilla products are absolutely first-rate.

I find the browser has some issues. Not nearly as seemless to use as IE.

What are you talking about? I have several mail accounts set up in OE, all
but Hotmail come into the main inbox though I could filter them into
separate folders if I wished. You may be talking about setting up separate
identities, that's entirely different than having several different
accounts.

In news:[email hidden],
beavis <[email hidden]> stated
||
|| Can't OE do that?
|
| No, it can't. You have to keep switching accounts to get all your
| e-mail. It's annoying.
|
| The new Mozilla products are absolutely first-rate.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Travis Newbury said:

Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I use thunderbird for newsgroups. And FireFox for the Web. Two thumbs up
for both.

I've been using TBird as my mail client for a while now, but I prefer PAN
as my news reader.
http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/

I use Eudora as my main email program, but I also use Thunderbird for
some miscellaneous email accounts. It's okay. My main browser is
Firefox.

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205/145/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Howard wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?
||
|| 1) It's free
|| 2) It's less buggy

I still have a hard time believing this is truly so.

|| 3) Updates are more frequent, and new features are more responsive to
|| user requests
||
||| Can't OE do that [handle multiple accounts]?
||
|| Yes, I have done so, but not on any of my machines. I would have to
|| go through the trouble of 'hardening' the MS virus-magnet. Having
|| witnessed the 2-day shutdown of NextLink by the "I Love You" worm, I
|| refuse to use OE on any machine over which I have admin
|| responsibility.

I used OE at work and home. I basically live on e-mail. Yet, I have never
been infected. I can't help but wonder why I'm so special.

||
||| Spammers haven't killed any of the mailing list I'm on.
||
|| The effect is indirect. Some of the lists that I subscribed to have
|| gone away because too large a percentage of the recipients were too
|| aggressive with spam blocking or were clueless about whitelisting,
|| and
|| the list owner simply gave up.

Well, list owners often get tired and quit for various reasons.

||
||| I use spamsubtract and it operates a bit differently, As popfile,
||| it sits between your and your pop server and filters incoming
||| messages. You can chose to let certain messages through, and you
||| can assign friends which always get through. The rest, get deleted
||| right off the server (if you choose to). What I like about it is
||| that I have complete control over what gets deleted and all is easy
||| to see.
||
|| Popfile (and SpamBayes) are both free, and have similar
|| functionality.

Good info. I might use these on my laptop. Thanks.

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:02:03 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Howard wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?
||
|| 1) It's free
|| 2) It's less buggy

I still have a hard time believing this is truly so.

|| 3) Updates are more frequent, and new features are more responsive to
|| user requests
||
||| Can't OE do that [handle multiple accounts]?
||
|| Yes, I have done so, but not on any of my machines. I would have to
|| go through the trouble of 'hardening' the MS virus-magnet. Having
|| witnessed the 2-day shutdown of NextLink by the "I Love You" worm, I
|| refuse to use OE on any machine over which I have admin
|| responsibility.

I used OE at work and home. I basically live on e-mail. Yet, I have
never
been infected. I can't help but wonder why I'm so special.

I also have not been infected at home. However, I use Opera exclusively.
At a place I used to work, we were infected by someone who was using OE.
The mere fact that you can run stuff merely by reading an email means that
I'll never use OE again.

--
Bob in CT

beavis said:

Quoted message said:

Is open source some kind of advantage for an end user?

Quoted message said:

Sure it is. For one, bugs get found more quickly and squashed a whole
lot faster when the source code is public knowledge. It's the same
reason FreeBSD and MacOSX don't suffer from all the security holes that
plague Windows.

Well one of the reasons. the other is that every hacker int he world is
hitting Windows right now. As soon as it loses it's top billing the
hackers will turn to the other OS's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

|| One thing I really like about Thunderbird over Agent is TB can access
|| several email accounts without having separate directories and
|| databases. Since I keep track of about a dozen email addresses on
|| different hosts, that is a big win for me.
Can't OE do that?

No, it can't. You have to keep switching accounts to get all your
e-mail. It's annoying.

I have 3 pop accounts all in the same folder. The only ones that show up
differently are the hotmail accounts

Quoted message said:

The new Mozilla products are absolutely first-rate.

Yea they are, and very small footprint too! I would recommend them
(FFandTB) to anyone.

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Xtile said:

I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

I'm using T-Bird..I think. I got the Mozilla browser/mail reader
bundled thingy. I was frustrated w/ OE-it froze every time I opened it,
thus I didn't use it. I've since shut off OE-you can't delete it on XP,
but you can go into the registry and turn it off-and things are so much
nicer. I wish I could get rid of IE, but I need it for work.

"Xtile" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1104728483.59607fa9933bd00c1772d3027714335e@teranews
|| I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

WhenI was younger I used to drink Thunderbird out of the brown paper bag
that they put it in at the 7-Eleven ....

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"Xtile" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1104728483.59607fa9933bd00c1772d3027714335e@teranews
|| I thought I would miss FreeAgent, but T-Bird kicks ass!

WhenI was younger I used to drink Thunderbird out of the brown paper bag
that they put it in at the 7-Eleven ....

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Peter
270/219/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

"beavis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

||||| One thing I really like about Thunderbird over Agent is TB can
||||| access several email accounts without having separate directories
||||| and databases. Since I keep track of about a dozen email
||||| addresses on different hosts, that is a big win for me.
|||
||| Can't OE do that?
||
|| No, it can't. You have to keep switching accounts to get all your
|| e-mail. It's annoying.
||
|| The new Mozilla products are absolutely first-rate.

Are you using the same OE that I am?
I most certainly do not have to switch accounts to get all of my e-mail; you
apparently don't know how to set it up properly.

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Peter
270/219/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo