how many carbs is too many

What is high carb? There is no understood number for even low carb, each
diet book writer sets his own number. In addition, a comparsion such as
"too high must be with regard to some other goal/measure. If it is weight
alone, no more then one's calorie balance requires. If we add level of
nutrition to weight the answer is as much as also permits getting the
nutrients required, including adqueate protein for tissue repair and other
organic activities and enough fat to maintain neural health and energy
reserves. If it is to gain muscle tissue, the above plus tilting the
protein ratio higher to support it. The current guidelines can be found
in articles at:

medscape.commoreOpen ↗
ctionId=1998

The carb range suggested is 45 to 60 percent of diet, a
range to account for variation in individual situations.

Quoted message said:

Here is an interesting question for all the high carb
advocates:

How many carbs is too many?

TC

Quoted message said:

What is high carb? There is no understood number for even
low carb,

each

Quoted message said:

diet book writer sets his own number. In addition, a
comparsion such

as

AFAIK, diet is considered low-carb if it contains less than
100g of digestible carbs / day.

Mirek

By what recognized authority based on what criteria? One
author wants 30 or less a day, doesn't the zone and another
whose name I forgot 200 or less.

Quoted message said:

AFAIK, diet is considered low-carb if it contains less than
100g of digestible carbs / day.

Mirek

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By what recognized authority based on what criteria?

Brain is supposed to burn about 100g / day of glucose. If
not present, body will start breaking fat to ketones as
alternative fuel.

So less than 100g induces ketogenic diet.

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One author wants 30 or less a day, doesn't the zone and
another whose name I forgot 200 or less.

30g / day is actually a part of some concrete plan - plan
that is low-carb by above definition.

I also believe that author requiring less than 200 does not
call his diet low-carb ("carb controlled" maybe).

Mirek

Low carb to get that metabolic effect is the definition of
an author of a diet plan, saying nothing about it being a
desireable goal and surely saying nothing about the
question posed in the subject line. 130 is the number I see
most often as that the brain requires as a minimun. There
is no level except one someones says it is, the only
practical amount is with regard to goal. If it is weight
maintenance, don't eat more then that which would exceed
one's calorie balance.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

By what recognized authority based on what criteria?

Brain is supposed to burn about 100g / day of glucose. If
not present, body will start breaking fat to ketones as
alternative fuel.

So less than 100g induces ketogenic diet.

Quoted message said:

One author wants 30 or less a day, doesn't the zone and
another whose name I forgot 200 or less.

30g / day is actually a part of some concrete plan - plan
that is low-carb by above definition.

I also believe that author requiring less than 200 does not
call his diet low-carb ("carb controlled" maybe).

Mirek

Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "how
many carbs is too many." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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How many carbs is too many?

That is so easy!

One more carb than you need is too many carbs.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

You seem to have some definite ideas as to how much protein
is too much and how much fat is too much. Are you telling me
that you've never considered how many carbs is too much?
When does it get unhealthy to add more carbs in the diet?

And what are the effects of too much carbs in the diet. Too
many proteins cause kidney problems, too much fat in the
diet causes hell with every part of our system, well, what
does too much carb in the diet cause?

TC

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Quoted message said:

What is high carb? There is no understood number for even
low carb, each diet book writer sets his own number. In
addition, a comparsion such as "too high must be with
regard to some other goal/measure. If it is weight alone,
no more then one's calorie balance requires. If we add
level of nutrition to weight the answer is as much as also
permits getting the nutrients required, including adqueate
protein for tissue repair and other organic activities and
enough fat to maintain neural health and energy reserves.
If it is to gain muscle tissue, the above plus tilting the
protein ratio higher to support it. The current guidelines
can be found in articles at:

medscape.commoreOpen ↗
SectionId=1998

The carb range suggested is 45 to 60 percent of diet, a
range to account for variation in individual situations.

Quoted message said:

Here is an interesting question for all the high carb
advocates:

How many carbs is too many?

TC

On 24 Mar 2004 07:15:32 -0800, [email hidden] (tcomeau) posted:

Quoted message said:

Here is an interesting question for all the high carb
advocates:

How many carbs is too many?

TC

Interesting that you haven't got a clue after so many years
reading this group, (and hopefully hitting the books).

There is too much carbohydrate in your diet when there is
too much energy.

There is too much protein when there is too much energy, and
your kidneys are overloaded.

There is too much fat in your diet when there is too
much energy.

Carbohydrates in a varied, wholefood, balanced, eucaloriec
diet are fine.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:01:07 +0100, "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]>
posted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is high carb? There is no understood number for even
low carb,

each

Quoted message said:

diet book writer sets his own number. In addition, a
comparsion such

as

AFAIK, diet is considered low-carb if it contains less than
100g of digestible carbs / day.

Considered by whom? Reading scientific articles shows that
"low carb" is much lower than this. Atkins used to be much
lower than this. TC regards 40% carb calories as "Low Carb".

Your upper limit would be 20% of a 2000 calorie diet.

So the poster you quote, without naming, is correct -- there
is no understood number.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:30:43 +0100, "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]>
posted:

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By what recognized authority based on what criteria?

Brain is supposed to burn about 100g / day of glucose. If
not present, body will start breaking fat to ketones as
alternative fuel.

It does this all the time, surely.

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So less than 100g induces ketogenic diet.

No, surely gluconeogenesis kicks in?

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Quoted message said:

One author wants 30 or less a day, doesn't the zone and
another whose name I forgot 200 or less.

30g / day is actually a part of some concrete plan - plan
that is low-carb by above definition.

I also believe that author requiring less than 200 does not
call his diet low-carb ("carb controlled" maybe).

"Low carb" seems to be the most flexible (and meaningless)
definition abroad.

I have no specific ideas about protein or fat, except to say
it is a good idea to get enough of each for good nutrition
and avoid any problems an excess might offer, and the same
goes for carbs. The current reccommended levels of each is
expressed as a range to suit various individual needs. After
having satisfied all nutritional needs of each, don't eat
more of any of them in excess of one's calorie balance. So
the specific answer is that if one distorts the recognised
needs for any of the three to the detriment of the others,
that one is "too much"? One can fine tune one's choices
within the three by using those which have the most
nutrition for the bang for amount,ie. complex carbs over
processed, mono fats over saturated, protein sources without
excess saturated fats over those with etc. will serve.

Quoted message said:

You seem to have some definite ideas as to how much protein
is too much and how much fat is too much. Are you telling
me that you've never considered how many carbs is too much?
When does it get unhealthy to add more carbs in the diet?

And what are the effects of too much carbs in the diet. Too
many proteins cause kidney problems, too much fat in the
diet causes hell with every part of our system, well, what
does too much carb in the diet cause?

TC

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Quoted message said:

What is high carb? There is no understood number for even
low carb, each diet book writer sets his own number. In
addition, a comparsion such as "too high must be with
regard to some other goal/measure. If it is weight alone,
no more then one's calorie balance requires. If we add
level of nutrition to weight the answer is as much as
also permits getting the nutrients required, including
adqueate protein for tissue repair and other organic
activities and enough fat to maintain neural health and
energy reserves. If it is to gain muscle tissue, the
above plus tilting the protein ratio higher to support
it. The current guidelines can be found in articles at:

medscape.commoreOpen ↗
&SectionId=1998

The carb range suggested is 45 to 60 percent of diet, a
range to account for variation in individual situations.

Quoted message said:

Here is an interesting question for all the high carb
advocates:

How many carbs is too many?

TC

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Quoted message said:

Here is an interesting question for all the high carb
advocates:

How many carbs is too many?

1000g

On 25 Mar 2004 14:29:44 -0800, [email hidden] (tcomeau) posted:

Quoted message said:

You seem to have some definite ideas as to how much protein
is too much and how much fat is too much. Are you telling
me that you've never considered how many carbs is too much?
When does it get unhealthy to add more carbs in the diet?

Terry, did you reread what you wrote here? Too much protein
has the problem of overloading the waste excretion system,
fat and carbohydrates have no waste products other than CO2
(lungs) and water (urine/sweat/faeces). So the only excesses
for these are those of excess calories.

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And what are the effects of too much carbs in the diet.

In a balanced eucaloric diet, none. Same with fat.

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Too many proteins cause kidney problems,

Yep.

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too much fat in the diet causes hell with every part of
our system,

Really? Where did you hear that?

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well, what does too much carb in the diet cause?

See above.

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Quoted message said:

Here is an interesting question for all the high carb
advocates:

How many carbs is too many?

1000g

1001? Any advance on 1001?