How is emphsema diagnosed

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab & radilogically
based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you Steaming Bag of
Spamming Feces?

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So... ilsa is still turned on by solid waste. Kinky little thing mentions it
at every opportunity. Tell us ilsa, do you prefer to smear it on
yourself, or do you prefer that some one else do it for you?

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to diagnose a disease,
just how to be
obnoxious.

Interesting article on emphysema and mice, of course this hardly proves
anything in humans.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3329103.stm
Anth

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

http://www.lung.med.ucla.edu/clinicalresearch/FORTE/patientinfo.html
Anth

(pilot full)
http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/165/5/718
Anth

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(pilot full)
http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/165/5/718
Anth

Well, we are moving forward, but the question I asked was how do you
diagnose a patient with
emphysema, asthma and/or congestive heart failure.

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to diagnose a disease,
just how to be
obnoxious.

No, what I'm saying is that you are a Lazy Bag of Spamming Feces who is in
DENIAL of his REAL DISEASES!

Your MLM products cannot save you and your ill-advised cavitation procedure is
pure ass-clownery.

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if you are to be true
in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn to use the correct
diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to separate
illnesses into different categories so that the right drug or surgical
operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs) can be used. They are
a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all under the thrall of
the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins", "parasites", the
"psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these days), TCM
phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner", aspartame or amalgam
illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although that's
an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly and in as
mystical a way as possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance". I
think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with anything that suggests
scientific medicine may actually know something about disease. Just get
onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they nurture you back into
health in the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If your question
is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a combination of
patient history, physical examination and investigations that might include
chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative practitioner
would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if you are to be

true

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in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn to use the

correct

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diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to separate
illnesses into different categories so that the right drug or surgical
operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs) can be used. They

are

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a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all under the thrall of
the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins", "parasites", the
"psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these days), TCM
phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner", aspartame or amalgam
illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although that's
an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly and in as
mystical a way as possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance". I
think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with anything that

suggests

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scientific medicine may actually know something about disease. Just get
onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they nurture you back into
health in the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If your

question

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is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a combination of
patient history, physical examination and investigations that might

include

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chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative practitioner
would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a disease. Isn't this
enlightening?

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How is severe asthma diagnosed?
How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if you are to be

true

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in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn to use the

correct

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diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to

separate

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illnesses into different categories so that the right drug or surgical
operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs) can be used. They

are

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a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all under the thrall

of

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the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins", "parasites",

the

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"psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these days), TCM
phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although

that's

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an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly and in as
mystical a way as possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance".

I

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think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with anything that

suggests

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scientific medicine may actually know something about disease. Just

get

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onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they nurture you back

into

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health in the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If your

question

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is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a combination of
patient history, physical examination and investigations that might

include

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chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative

practitioner

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would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a disease. Isn't this
enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

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>How is severe asthma diagnosed?
>How is emphysema diagnosed?
>How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
>
>

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you

Steaming

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Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to diagnose a disease,
just how to be
obnoxious.

No, what I'm saying is that you are a Lazy Bag of Spamming Feces who is in
DENIAL of his REAL DISEASES!

Your MLM products cannot save you and your ill-advised cavitation

procedure is

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pure ass-clownery.

Well, it appears that you are one sick puppy.

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> How is severe asthma diagnosed?
> How is emphysema diagnosed?
> How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if you are to

be

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true

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in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn to use the

correct

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diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to

separate

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illnesses into different categories so that the right drug or surgical
operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs) can be used.

They

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are

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a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all under the thrall

of

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the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins", "parasites",

the

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"psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these days), TCM
phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although

that's

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an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly and in as
mystical a way as possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance".

I

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think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with anything that

suggests

Quoted message said:

scientific medicine may actually know something about disease. Just

get

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onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they nurture you back

into

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health in the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If your

question

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is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a combination

of

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patient history, physical examination and investigations that might

include

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chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative

practitioner

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would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a disease. Isn't

this

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enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

I asked the question because some ignoramous' who lurk here and that you
seem to think
are bright enough to post, have suggested that I still have emphysema. My
point was to show
that these same individuals don't even know how to diagnose the disease
nevermind have the
credibility to judge its state. Its a demonstration of their lack of
credibility.

Well Dave your doc has already demonstrated to you that your disease is
going away, so why bother?
You and your doc have the truth, so what matters - you are not going to
convince any of the sceptics on here ?
If you did convince another person or even a doctor on here, they would
become the 'quack' and the process would continue.
Just my thoughts..
Anth

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> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > How is severe asthma diagnosed?
> > How is emphysema diagnosed?
> > How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
>
> Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if you are to

be

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true
> in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn to use the
correct
> diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to

separate

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> illnesses into different categories so that the right drug or

surgical

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> operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs) can be used.

They

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are
> a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all under the

thrall

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of

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> the drug companies.
>
> Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins",

"parasites",

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the

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> "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these days),

TCM

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> phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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> illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although

that's

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> an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly and in

as

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> mystical a way as possible), and the all-important "energy

imbalance".

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I

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> think that about covers it.
>
> Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with anything that
suggests
> scientific medicine may actually know something about disease.

Just

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get

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> onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they nurture you back

into

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> health in the most efficient way possible.
>
> Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If your
question
> is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a combination

of

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> patient history, physical examination and investigations that might
include
> chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative

practitioner

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> would have the appropriate training and experience.
>
> Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a disease. Isn't

this

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enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

I asked the question because some ignoramous' who lurk here and that you
seem to think
are bright enough to post, have suggested that I still have emphysema. My
point was to show
that these same individuals don't even know how to diagnose the disease
nevermind have the
credibility to judge its state. Its a demonstration of their lack of
credibility.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Amalgams are Super Fantastic said:

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"God Bless Ilsa Nine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>How is severe asthma diagnosed?
>How is emphysema diagnosed?
>How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
>
>

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to diagnose a disease,
just how to be
obnoxious.

No, what I'm saying is that you are a Lazy Bag of Spamming Feces who is in
DENIAL of his REAL DISEASES!

Your MLM products cannot save you and your ill-advised cavitation procedure is
pure ass-clownery.

Now, now, Ilsa -- you're just repeating the ol' EOM line. It's
obvious to any observer that Spammin' Dave doesn't really have
asthma or emphysema. Indeed, the very *idea* of those diseases
is just part of the EOM conspiracy.

Spammin' Dave can easily cure his problem by taking up smoking.
I'd suggest Old Gold unfiltered cigarettes for maximum effect.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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From: "Peter Moran"

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No alternative practitioner
would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter knows all the alternative practitioners in the world and their training.

NOT!

Peter an organized medicine member, who uses the red flag when the word
alternative appears. Comes from the brainwshing.

Close-minded people can take comfort in knowing that they are right.

Jan

http://www.pitt.edu/~cbw/licen.html

Peter Moran said:

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins", "parasites",
the "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these
days), TCM phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner",
aspartame or amalgam illnesses, an immune system that won't
make it to sunrise (although that's an idea borrowed from EOM
and which should be used sparingly and in as mystical a way as
possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance". I think that
about covers it.

That doesn't even come close to covering it! What about
colon sludge, subluxations, chronic Lyme disease (only
detectable with certain unreliable tests), and sub-clinical
occult carbon monoxide poisoning (not detectable nor
disprovable with any tests, during life)? That's not even
counting the really obscure stuff, like body thetans.

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> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > How is severe asthma diagnosed?
> > How is emphysema diagnosed?
> > How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
>
> Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if you are to

be

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true
> in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn to use the
correct
> diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to

separate

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> illnesses into different categories so that the right drug or

surgical

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> operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs) can be used.

They

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are
> a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all under the

thrall

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of

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> the drug companies.
>
> Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins",

"parasites",

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the

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> "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored these days),

TCM

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> phrases such as "too much heat in the triple burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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> illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although

that's

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> an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly and in

as

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> mystical a way as possible), and the all-important "energy

imbalance".

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I

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> think that about covers it.
>
> Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with anything that
suggests
> scientific medicine may actually know something about disease.

Just

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get

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> onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they nurture you back

into

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> health in the most efficient way possible.
>
> Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If your
question
> is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a combination

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> patient history, physical examination and investigations that might
include
> chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative

practitioner

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> would have the appropriate training and experience.
>
> Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a disease. Isn't

this

Quoted message said:

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enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

I asked the question because some ignoramous' who lurk here and that you
seem to think
are bright enough to post, have suggested that I still have emphysema. My
point was to show
that these same individuals don't even know how to diagnose the disease
nevermind have the
credibility to judge its state. Its a demonstration of their lack of
credibility.

You just demonstrated you inability to form a coherent thought.

Why not go to a pulomonologist, get good spirometry performed, and post your
pre- and post- spirograms for all to see? You can post it on your website,
and, if they show that you no longer have COPD, etc. then you have proven
your claim.

Until then, since your record is that you are in the negative credibility
range, you have no proof.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Amalgams are Super Fantastic said:

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"God Bless Ilsa Nine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> >How is severe asthma diagnosed?
> >How is emphysema diagnosed?
> >How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
> >
> >
>
> They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab &
radilogically
> based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor, you Steaming
Bag of
> Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to diagnose a disease,
just how to be
obnoxious.

No, what I'm saying is that you are a Lazy Bag of Spamming Feces who is in
DENIAL of his REAL DISEASES!

Your MLM products cannot save you and your ill-advised cavitation procedure

is

Quoted message said:

pure ass-clownery.

Now, now, Ilsa -- you're just repeating the ol' EOM line.

I know, but I _HAVE_ to write what _THEY_ tell me and seeing how its near the
end of the month, I have to make my minimun posting requirements.

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It's
obvious to any observer that Spammin' Dave doesn't really have
asthma or emphysema. Indeed, the very *idea* of those diseases
is just part of the EOM conspiracy.

Yeah, but if people stop believing in them, they won't buy our sponsor's
products!

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Spammin' Dave can easily cure his problem by taking up smoking.
I'd suggest Old Gold unfiltered cigarettes for maximum effect.

If only people knew of the healing power of the tobacco leaf.....

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-- David Wright :