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  1. Seven weeks ago, I started jogging 3 miles a day, six days a week. As
    to be expected, I got a lot of muscle and joint pains in the beginning
    but they subsided after the first couple of weeks.

    Anyway, last week I started stretching my muscles before and after the
    workouts. And that's where my problems began. One of the muscles I
    had been stretching is now constantly sore. It's the muscle right
    below where the bulge in my right calf. My wild guess is that I had
    been stretching improperly, and I injured it. I find myself jogging
    with a slight limp these days.

    I had tried resting the muscle for four days, and it's no less painful
    now than it was before, so I started jogging again. Any ideas on how
    to heal a muscle damaged in that way? How long should I expect it to
    remain sore?

    Now, I've even ditched stretching before (or after) my jogging
    altogether. I figured that jogging 3 miles a day for half an hour is
    considered a pretty light workout anyway. That workload might not
    even qualify as a warm-up routine for some people. So, no need to
    stretch for something like that.... right?

  2. Never, ever stretch except after running, and only then if you have a problem
    that stretching helps. You answered your own question when you said "I started
    stretching, and that's where my trouble started". Take the hint and stop
    stretching.

  3. Yeah, EVERY major training methodology in the world recommends
    stretching after exercise as PREVENTIVE maintenance and a crackpot
    like TheBillRodgersz tells you not to. What do you think you should
    do?

    RGBR

    On 15 Aug 2004 01:44:31 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)

    Quoted message said:

    Never, ever stretch except after running, and only then if you have a problem
    that stretching helps. You answered your own question when you said "I started
    stretching, and that's where my trouble started". Take the hint and stop
    stretching.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Yeah, EVERY major training methodology in the world recommends
    stretching after exercise as PREVENTIVE maintenance

    Umm no stupid [censored], they don't. Try reading some literature from the last few
    years, and get your dumb, stupidass stitched shut.

  5. "NotgayBilRodgerz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, EVERY major training methodology in the world recommends
    stretching after exercise as PREVENTIVE maintenance

    Quoted message said:

    Umm no stupid [censored], they don't. Try reading some literature from the last


    few

    Quoted message said:

    years, and get your dumb, stupidass stitched shut.

    Yet again, Wobbot proves that while he may not be totally compos mentis, he
    does live on the same planet as the rest of us.

    BTW, Wobbot, who *is* your masked stalker? Couldn't you find one that was
    funny? He reminds me of the guy - Matthew Marasowski (?spl) - that stalked
    me for a while. Actually, I rather miss old Matthew. He was fun to have
    around. COME BACK, MATTHEW!!!!

  6. Quoted message said:

    BTW, Wobbot, who *is* your masked stalker?

    Those prancing [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    Couldn't you find one that was
    funny?

    Yes they are dull, unusual for butt pluggers.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, I rather miss old Matthew. He was fun to have
    around. COME BACK, MATTHEW!!!!

    You really want me to resurrect him again?

  7. stretching does not work. I've been yanking on mine for years trying to
    stretch it but the damn thing is still only 5"

  8. OMG! This is even more serious, I've been hitting on, and asking to see a GUYS
    [censored]! Damn, I am SOOOOOO gay...

  9. "Opticreep" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seven weeks ago, I started jogging 3 miles a day, six days a week. As
    to be expected, I got a lot of muscle and joint pains in the beginning
    but they subsided after the first couple of weeks.

    Anyway, last week I started stretching my muscles before and after the
    workouts. And that's where my problems began. One of the muscles I
    had been stretching is now constantly sore. It's the muscle right
    below where the bulge in my right calf. My wild guess is that I had
    been stretching improperly, and I injured it. I find myself jogging
    with a slight limp these days.

    I had tried resting the muscle for four days, and it's no less painful
    now than it was before, so I started jogging again. Any ideas on how
    to heal a muscle damaged in that way? How long should I expect it to
    remain sore?

    Now, I've even ditched stretching before (or after) my jogging
    altogether. I figured that jogging 3 miles a day for half an hour is
    considered a pretty light workout anyway. That workload might not
    even qualify as a warm-up routine for some people. So, no need to
    stretch for something like that.... right?

    No evidence that it is a good idea:

    http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/1002-stretching-flexibility.htm

  10. "Opticreep" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seven weeks ago, I started jogging 3 miles a day, six days a week. As
    to be expected, I got a lot of muscle and joint pains in the beginning
    but they subsided after the first couple of weeks.

    Anyway, last week I started stretching my muscles before and after the
    workouts. And that's where my problems began. One of the muscles I
    had been stretching is now constantly sore. It's the muscle right
    below where the bulge in my right calf. My wild guess is that I had
    been stretching improperly, and I injured it. I find myself jogging
    with a slight limp these days.

    I had tried resting the muscle for four days, and it's no less painful
    now than it was before, so I started jogging again. Any ideas on how
    to heal a muscle damaged in that way? How long should I expect it to
    remain sore?

    Now, I've even ditched stretching before (or after) my jogging
    altogether. I figured that jogging 3 miles a day for half an hour is
    considered a pretty light workout anyway. That workload might not
    even qualify as a warm-up routine for some people. So, no need to
    stretch for something like that.... right?

    I ran a half marathon once and I was in great shape until I stretched, then
    I started having a pain in my calf muscle. Needless to say, I will not do
    that stretch again.

    If I am doing sprint drills and do not have time for a cool down, I will do
    some light stretching afterwards, but that is about it.

  11. You are foolish and wrong.

    On 15 Aug 2004 01:44:31 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)

    Quoted message said:

    Never, ever stretch except after running, and only then if you have a problem
    that stretching helps. You answered your own question when you said "I started
    stretching, and that's where my trouble started". Take the hint and stop
    stretching.

  12. Read your own article bonehead - I quote from it:

    "While the act of stretching bears little resemblance to what is to
    follow during a workout or race, that is not the case after a training
    session or competition are over. Athletes' muscles are often fatigued
    and non-resilient after a strenuous training session or workout ends.
    At that point, stretching is a fine way to transform a
    hypercontracted, non-elastic, fatigued, and non-responsive muscle into
    a relaxed collection of fibres which can then comfortably adapt to the
    more passive activities which follow the training session - and
    recover nicely before the next muscle trauma (i. e., workout) takes
    place."

    If you read the article in its entirety, it points out the flaws in
    many of the studies that have been done on stretching.

    Don't stretch - that's fine - and be a stuck,up tightass like The Gay
    Bill Rodgers.

    Stretch Armstrong

    Geoff Pearson said:

    No evidence that it is a good idea:

    http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/1002-stretching-flexibility.htm

  13. You didn't stretch properly, fool. Learn how to stretch properly and
    that won't happen.

    On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:59:42 -0500, "Roger 2k" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I ran a half marathon once and I was in great shape until I stretched, then
    I started having a pain in my calf muscle. Needless to say, I will not do
    that stretch again.

    If I am doing sprint drills and do not have time for a cool down, I will do
    some light stretching afterwards, but that is about it.

  14. You're gay and dumb, although there's nothing wrong with the first
    part and, unfortunately for your case, no cure for the second part.

    On 15 Aug 2004 14:47:42 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)

    Quoted message said:

    OMG! This is even more serious, I've been hitting on, and asking to see a GUYS
    [censored]! Damn, I am SOOOOOO gay...

  15. I do not suggest stretching before exercise; save it for after the run.

    Also, proper stretching is important. No bouncing.

    "Opticreep" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seven weeks ago, I started jogging 3 miles a day, six days a week. As
    to be expected, I got a lot of muscle and joint pains in the beginning
    but they subsided after the first couple of weeks.

    Anyway, last week I started stretching my muscles before and after the
    workouts. And that's where my problems began. One of the muscles I
    had been stretching is now constantly sore. It's the muscle right
    below where the bulge in my right calf. My wild guess is that I had
    been stretching improperly, and I injured it. I find myself jogging
    with a slight limp these days.

    I had tried resting the muscle for four days, and it's no less painful
    now than it was before, so I started jogging again. Any ideas on how
    to heal a muscle damaged in that way? How long should I expect it to
    remain sore?

    Now, I've even ditched stretching before (or after) my jogging
    altogether. I figured that jogging 3 miles a day for half an hour is
    considered a pretty light workout anyway. That workload might not
    even qualify as a warm-up routine for some people. So, no need to
    stretch for something like that.... right?

  16. "TheBillRodgerz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Never, ever stretch except after running, and only then if you have a


    problem

    Quoted message said:

    that stretching helps. You answered your own question when you said "I


    started

    Quoted message said:

    stretching, and that's where my trouble started". Take the hint and stop
    stretching.

    This is bad advice. Stretching to improve range of motion around a joint is
    a good thing for overall health and everyday fitness.

  17. There are other good reasons to stretch aside from a performance or injury
    standpoint. Having a good range of motion in everyday life activities is a
    good thing.
    "Geoff Pearson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Opticreep" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seven weeks ago, I started jogging 3 miles a day, six days a week. As
    to be expected, I got a lot of muscle and joint pains in the beginning
    but they subsided after the first couple of weeks.

    Anyway, last week I started stretching my muscles before and after the
    workouts. And that's where my problems began. One of the muscles I
    had been stretching is now constantly sore. It's the muscle right
    below where the bulge in my right calf. My wild guess is that I had
    been stretching improperly, and I injured it. I find myself jogging
    with a slight limp these days.

    I had tried resting the muscle for four days, and it's no less painful
    now than it was before, so I started jogging again. Any ideas on how
    to heal a muscle damaged in that way? How long should I expect it to
    remain sore?

    Now, I've even ditched stretching before (or after) my jogging
    altogether. I figured that jogging 3 miles a day for half an hour is
    considered a pretty light workout anyway. That workload might not
    even qualify as a warm-up routine for some people. So, no need to
    stretch for something like that.... right?

    No evidence that it is a good idea:


    http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/1002-stretching-flexibility.htm

    Quoted message said:


  18. Opticreep said:

    Seven weeks ago, I started jogging 3 miles a day, six days a week. As
    to be expected, I got a lot of muscle and joint pains in the beginning
    but they subsided after the first couple of weeks.

    Anyway, last week I started stretching my muscles before and after the
    workouts. And that's where my problems began. One of the muscles I
    had been stretching is now constantly sore. It's the muscle right
    below where the bulge in my right calf. My wild guess is that I had
    been stretching improperly, and I injured it.

    sounds like a good guess

    I find myself jogging

    Quoted message said:

    with a slight limp these days.

    which could result in more injuries unless you're careful

    Quoted message said:


    I had tried resting the muscle for four days, and it's no less painful
    now than it was before,

    Sometimes total rest is the right solution at least for a little bit for
    initial healing, more often some active rehab works better so the tissue
    heals correctly (fibers aligned). Have you been icing or doing other
    activities?

    so I started jogging again. Any ideas on how

    Quoted message said:

    to heal a muscle damaged in that way? How long should I expect it to
    remain sore?

    Hard to say from your description. (I say that because I'm still
    figuring out what works for me, and I'm getting a better handle on it,
    but can't describe it for someone else.)

    Quoted message said:


    Now, I've even ditched stretching before (or after) my jogging
    altogether. I figured that jogging 3 miles a day for half an hour is
    considered a pretty light workout anyway. That workload might not
    even qualify as a warm-up routine for some people. So, no need to
    stretch for something like that.... right?

    But whether it's a warmup for someone else has nothing to do with
    whether you need to stretch or warmup beforehand. You need to look at
    what works for you and your conditioning level.

    Depends on the person. I *always* do some sort of warmup (unless I
    perform a space cadet maneuver by forgetting) which usually includes
    light stretching. I tend to have tight muscles and sitting in office /
    lab doesn't help (also being 57 doesn't help, but I've just learned that
    body needs more maintenance in age).

    My "warmup" starts with just moving joints - shrugging shoulders,
    rotating ankles, etc. Then *gentle* stretching of backs of legs - just
    enough to get kinks out from sitting. Then walk for about 2 min, then
    slow run for 5-10 min before things feel normal. In cold weather (around
    0F and below), I'll do additional warmups inside (running in place,
    maybe for 30-60 sec) before I head out. After the run, I walk at least 2
    min, maybe have to ride bike home, may alternate some indoor rehab
    drills with cooking dinner or whatever, maybe do barefoot drills in
    grass for 5-20 min.

    Other people (frequently younger) can just run right out the door.

    The flip side is in an indoor cross-training class, where we have a
    heavy duty warmup (about 20+ min), then about 20-30 min stretching,
    which is the most likely portion for me to get injured in (stretches
    aren't the ones that work the best for me). However, then I go home and
    do the stretches that my PT gave me - which frequently stretch the
    opposite direction of the class stretches. I can't remember injuring
    myself with the ones the PT gave me, as long as I built up the reps and
    amount of stretch properly and don't get too carried away.

    So whether stretching works for you or not is a matter of finding out
    which ones do work and a routine. But having somewhat warm muscles
    before you stretch is critical - ditto before running. Some type of
    warmup is essential - for me, anyway. YMMV.

    When reading reports, keep in mind that results are based on averages
    and variation. Even though the something may be shown to not be
    beneficial on average, it may be beneficial for certain people - and
    vice versa.

    Dot

  19. Quoted message said:

    If you read the article in its entirety, it points out the flaws in
    many of the studies that have been done on stretching.

    Thestudy is 1) outdated, and 2) incorrect. The fact they bash other studys
    gives you a clue. The most recent, and reputable ones all say stretching has no
    value as a injury prevention method. This does not rule out the fact that it
    may be good for other things.

  20. Quoted message said:

    Don't stretch - that's fine - and be a stuck,up tightass like The Gay
    Bill Rodgers.

    Um, it's not tight anymore...

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