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  1. Hey,

    Ive just started relaxing my freestyle pull a lot more and find Im not as out of breath when I was
    tense, I also feel that I am pulling with my lats a lot more, I guess this is good.

    My question is how do atually swim faster??

    Do I move my arms quicker or do I pull harder?? Seems a silly question but I am really need some
    speed, especially in backstroke!

    Later,

    Picky

  2. 70% of swimming is drag so they say. Make sure your legs are even with the rest of your body. Push
    your chest down to lift your legs. Take full strokes and make sure you finish. Don't lift your head
    when breathing, just turn it. Make your body as long as you can in the water. Reach as far as you
    can. You hands should not move faster than the water, if they do you are slipping. Over time you
    will gain speed and once you master the above you will be flying.

    Enjoy, Curt

    "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Ive just started relaxing my freestyle pull a lot more and find Im not as out of breath when I was
    tense, I also feel that I am pulling with my lats a lot more, I guess this is good.

    My question is how do atually swim faster??

    Do I move my arms quicker or do I pull harder?? Seems a silly question but I am really need some
    speed, especially in backstroke!

    Later,

    Picky

  3. "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Ive just started relaxing my freestyle pull a lot more and find Im not as out of breath when I was
    tense, I also feel that I am pulling with my lats a lot more, I guess this is good.

    My question is how do atually swim faster??

    Do I move my arms quicker or do I pull harder?? Seems a silly question but I am really need some
    speed, especially in backstroke!

    Someone else answered this question beautifully. I just can't remember who it was. I recall the
    explanation eluding to exploiting one's biomechanical swimming abilities that work the best with
    one's physical structure and makeup.

    I love to make comparisons to other sports. One particular sporting event that I've not gotten
    around to comparing that I think is extremely relevant when looking for best muscle groups to
    employ, for swim stroke, are sail boat crews in charge of "grinding" or trimming the jib on big
    boats. You've seen these guys on ESPN working the "winches" on America's Cup boats. I've had some
    experiences with those things and have come to an overwhelming conclusion that concentrating on the
    pull (lats) is much better than the push (pecks, chest). The lats will sustain RPMs at a much
    quicker rate while actually being able to make a stronger pull than the chest is able to push. I've
    been opposite of some very big crew types (two to a winch) and literally "pulled" the handles out of
    their hands during the high RPM moments. As soon as the skipper tells us to "get on the rail" (edge
    of the boat) my winch partner (a 250lb football lineman) is asking me how I'm able to pull him along
    like that. I explain that although I'm 15 years older and only 5'9" my combination of fast twitch
    and slow twitch muscle fibers are allowing me to better exploit the task of circular motion at high
    RPMs and sustain such performance right on through exhaustion. (Hmmm, maybe that's too self
    serving.) So I asked him how much he bench presses. At that time I could bench 315, so when he said
    390 I immediately replied 392! Of course he knew I was a stinking liar. But when I told him the
    truth, he still did not believe me. Then I explained that the bench press subject was just a smoke
    screen to prove how overly important he thought the chest muscles were. Once I had convinced him to
    concentrate on the pull phase (the lats) of the winch mechanism I was no longer able to out spin him
    or pull the handles from his hands.

    My suspicion for swimming is that higher stroke rates are faster for most people, if the right
    muscles are engaged. However, only if a proper "catch" is used, but that employs more chest muscles.
    Too much water grab at the front and you are spent by the time you get to the end of the stroke
    where the more powerful and sustainable quicker back muscles (lats) can give you the most speed. One
    of the ways coaches teach their swimmers to learn a proper "catch" is by slower drilling methods
    that emphasize a big frontal grab of water. Hopefully, this frontal emphasis will not impair a
    swimmers ability to exploit the quicker power phase at the end of the stroke. Kayakers (big time lat
    users) constantly perform similar searches with how deep or shallow to place their paddle in the
    water. Paddle sizes can also differ. They usually experiment going deeper and eventually compensate
    somewhere that allows them to move the most water backwards with the optimum amount of high stroke
    rates that gives them the most speed. Swimmers should certainly perform the same task either
    consciously or sub,,,,,

    Rick Swanger

  4. My advise is that you pull harder. This is one way to visualize it: Imagine that you are rock
    climbing. there is a ledge that you try to reach. It is almost out of reach. You reach with your
    shoulder and try to push it past your ear. You catch the ledge and then you pull hard to get your
    body to pass over the ledge while your arm passes below you.

    Andres

    [email hidden] (Picky) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Ive just started relaxing my freestyle pull a lot more and find Im not as out of breath when I was
    tense, I also feel that I am pulling with my lats a lot more, I guess this is good.

    My question is how do atually swim faster??

    Do I move my arms quicker or do I pull harder?? Seems a silly question but I am really need some
    speed, especially in backstroke!

    Later,

    Picky

  5. Picky left this mess on 16 Feb 2004 06:44:44 -0800 for The Way to clean up:

    Quoted message said:


    Hey,

    Ive just started relaxing my freestyle pull a lot more and find Im not as out of breath when I was
    tense, I also feel that I am pulling with my lats a lot more, I guess this is good.

    My question is how do atually swim faster??

    Do I move my arms quicker or do I pull harder?? Seems a silly question but I am really need some
    speed, especially in backstroke!

    If you have a coach, ask him/her. From where I sit, most people don't get enough pull in their
    strokes, so that would be my recommendation.

    Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

    (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-ass question
    here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif

  6. "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Ive just started relaxing my freestyle pull a lot more and find Im not as out of breath when I was
    tense, I also feel that I am pulling with my lats a lot more, I guess this is good.

    My question is how do atually swim faster??

    Do I move my arms quicker or do I pull harder?? Seems a silly question but I am really need some
    speed, especially in backstroke!

    Later,

    Picky

    Improve your technique and stroke efficiency. Comes from a lot of practice, and practicing it
    correctly. Learn the basics first, learn them very well, then you can start making slight
    adaptations to the basics to better fit your body style.

  7. "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Someone else answered this question beautifully. I just can't remember


    who

    Quoted message said:

    it was. I recall the explanation eluding to exploiting one's


    biomechanical

    Quoted message said:

    swimming abilities that work the best with one's physical structure and makeup.

    I think he was from Texas.....

  8. "Bill Geiser" <wpgeiser(no.spam)@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Someone else answered this question beautifully. I just can't remember


    who

    Quoted message said:

    it was. I recall the explanation eluding to exploiting one's


    biomechanical

    Quoted message said:

    swimming abilities that work the best with one's physical structure and makeup.

    I think he was from Texas.....

    LOL,,,you got me good there!

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