How do we stop drugs in cycling?

Steve McGinty said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Nature will stop it to the extent I care about it. The world has bigger problems.

When the rest of us stop smoking tobacco, drinking alcohol, and using legal and illegal drugs.

Bruce

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Quoted message said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

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Quoted message said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

Drugs will stop in cycling when there ceases to be incentive to dope.
Ie., when professional cycling stops. I could care less if it does; I'll still ride and race.

- Boyd S.

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Quoted message said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

This is a very bad idea. Riders are lucky enough to get a sponsor and you want them to have exposure
to a potential one million euro fine? It is hard enough to get sponsors. Bad idea.

Quoted message said:

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

I don't think this would be a good idea either. Punish the individual, not a cycling federation.

Quoted message said:

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

I think it is like any other sport. There are always some people using and some that don't. If you
want to rid it then you have to test a lot I guess. I think there are bigger problems out there than
to worry about this, but I don't like the idea of athletes using drugs.

Enjoy, Curt

First answer this: how do you stop evil? And then you'll be able to answer: how de we stop drugs
in cycling?

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Quoted message said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

All over the top [censored] - totally unrealistic, sorry!

A 2 year ban of the individual is all that is required. Although the ban is one issue the more
difficult one is policing in a sport/business that is unwilling to police itself. A fish rots from
the head first - look to the head of the UCI.

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Quoted message said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

So how do we stop it?

We could start in rbr, by letting people who claim others are on dope, have their say. And not
trying to censor or belittling the posters with claims that he's a troll, etc. We can start
right here in rbr.

This has moved to the top of the idiotic idea ladder...

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Quoted message said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

How about if you get caught for speeding, your entire family has every license suspended
for 6 months? Do you really want to punish innocent people this way? Draconian does not
even begin to cover this.

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2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

if you get arrested, your employer has to pay a fine.

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3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

Sure...like USA Cycling or any other governing body has anything to do with what an
individual athlete does. Actually the NGB has had to pay the fine in the past as USAC had
to do when some yokel tested positive in Brazil.

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All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

This would lead to one thing; a group would form that does not follow the current rules
(even in name only). Cycling as we know it would disappear from the Olympics (which
might not be the worse thing to ever happen).

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What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

curt said:

I think it is like any other sport. There are always some people using and some that don't. If you
want to rid it then you have to test a lot I guess.

I have a feeling that increasing testing won't matter since the drugs that are doing all the carnage
on the heart, etc. won't show up in any tests.

mr60percent said:

A fish rots from the head first

Not if it has ick. That usually starts on the sides.

The riders know they can always stay ahead of the game. So instill
fear by making the punishment retroactive:

Collect random in- and out-of-competition samples, then freeze the samples for 5 years. If the
samples test positive at ANY TIME in the future, the rider gets an immediate 2-year suspension...
even for a sample taken years ago.

Kyle Legate said:

mr60percent said:

A fish rots from the head first

Not if it has ick. That usually starts on the sides.

If it has 'dropsy', then it's from the inside. Fin rot, from the outsides.

So, maybe all cyclists should be exposed to salt baths for ick, tetracycline for fin rot. Once a
cyclist has dropsy, it's usually too late - can't stay on a bicycle then.

That's my solution for drugs in cycling.

;-)

---
Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

Nope, none of this will work. You have two solutions:

1. A permanent ban for major offenses (cocaine, EPO, meth). Some period of time for minor offenses
(caffeine, ephedrine).

2. Allow all drugs, let God sort out the dead.

Steve McGinty said:

We all know what's going on and the terrible outcomes we are now seeing. So how do we stop it?

My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million
euro fine.

All monies raised to go towards extending the drug testing programme

What's yours?

Regards! Stephen

---
Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

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My own (idealistic) notions for pro/elite riders includes:

1. If any individual tests positive their entire team is suspended for six months.

2. If any individual tests positive their sponsor must pay a one million euro fine.

3. If any individual tests positive their national cycling federation must pay a one million euro
fine.

So now teams and national federations will have even more incentive to cover things up. Great.

JT

(chemicalpeel) said:

The riders know they can always stay ahead of the game. So instill fear by making the punishment
retroactive:

Collect random in- and out-of-competition samples, then freeze the samples for 5 years. If the
samples test positive at ANY TIME in the future, the rider gets an immediate 2-year suspension...
even for a sample taken years ago.

Make salaries for pro racers in the US so low that no one can afford any.

Oh, wait....

--
Scott Johnson "Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are why they only open the
top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen

Yeah, suspend an athlete for 6 months to a year.

They spend the entire time training their azz off using the illegal drugs until their time is up, take a month off from using them while still training, then show up and kick everyone's azz in the races they enter because they have had a year where they were totally uninhibited in training.

Test monthly while on the suspension? Might work, but probably not.

It will never stop, because some pharmaceutical manufacturer is probably working on something else that is not detectable and works even better than everything on the market.

It's a high dollar business, it will never go away .......... be realists people.

Top Sirloin said:

Make salaries for pro racers in the US so low that no one can afford any.

🙂

The biggest problem is probably with masters riders, given the proliferation of "anti-aging"
clinics. One local club, with a strong master's program, is even sponsored by one (the physician
rides for the women's team...)

Dan

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:32:16 GMT, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g>

Quoted message said:

Top Sirloin said:

Make salaries for pro racers in the US so low that no one can afford any.

🙂

The biggest problem is probably with masters riders, given the proliferation of "anti-aging"
clinics. One local club, with a strong master's program, is even sponsored by one (the physician
rides for the women's team...)

Hmmm....I think a lot of guys legitimately need T replacement, but's a hard line to draw between
replacement and doping.

--

Scott Johnson "I made the best gains of my life when I dumped the "oh me so tired" [censored] and started
getting on with it for real." -Bryce Lane

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Yeah, suspend an athlete for 6 months to a year.

They spend the entire time training their azz off using the illegal drugs until their time is up,
take a month off from using them while still training, then show up and kick everyone's azz in the
races they enter because they have had a year where they were totally uninhibited in training.

Test monthly while on the suspension? Might work, but probably not.

It will never stop, because some pharmaceutical manufacturer is probably working on something else
that is not detectable and works even better than everything on the market.

Do not lay the blame on the pharmaceutical companies. They are not developing drugs with the
intention of athletic use. rhEPO is a fantastic medication that saves lives in cancer sufferers
and people with problem kidneys. The notion that the athletic market even makes a blip is
ridiculous.

Quoted message said:

It's a high dollar business, it will never go away .......... be realists people.

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