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  1. Hey people, would this be the guideline used to control calory intake?

    Aim for maximum vitamin and mineral (by food or pills)

    Get enough fat, protein (according to your weight) and carbohydrate on
    a daily basis.

    Separate your calorie intake through out the day.

    Get enough fiber (through food or capsules)

    Get a decent amount of exercise and sleep.

  2. If you've got a chronic inflammatory process going on in your body, you
    will probably be a lot hungrier than someone who doesn't. If you were
    my patient, we'd go over all the food you are eating, how many hours
    sleep you are getting, etc. Short of trying to sort it all out, I'm
    nor sure about what you are asking. Are you having trouble controlling
    your appetite? If you are an American, it's unlikely that you are
    eating too little, in terms of calories.

    For example, what does "separate your calorie intake through the day"
    means? Are you eating one meal a day at this point?

    Fiber has no calories, so that's not an issue.

    One point that needs to be made is that the charts you see in books and
    magazines represent a gross assessment, and are basically worthless if
    you want to really zero in on what's best for you as an individual.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tipster said:

    Hey people, would this be the guideline used to control calory intake?

    Aim for maximum vitamin and mineral (by food or pills)

    Get enough fat, protein (according to your weight) and carbohydrate on
    a daily basis.

    Separate your calorie intake through out the day.

    Get enough fiber (through food or capsules)

    Get a decent amount of exercise and sleep.

    Read the labels.....
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  4. Tipster said:

    Hey people, would this be the guideline used to control calory intake?

    Aim for maximum vitamin and mineral (by food or pills)

    Get enough fat, protein (according to your weight) and carbohydrate on
    a daily basis.

    Separate your calorie intake through out the day.

    Get enough fiber (through food or capsules)

    Get a decent amount of exercise and sleep.


    I'd use www.fitday.com for some time (say, 2 weeks) to assess how i am
    eating now. It's an effective learning tool, too.

    So if you were to find out you need to make any adjustments, you'd
    already have some knowledge to use for achieving those adjustments.

  5. Tipster wrote:

    :: Aim for maximum vitamin and mineral (by food or pills)

    In general it is good to eat more nutrient dense foods and to reduce eating
    energy dense foods. But maximum vitamin and mineral intake is not a good
    goal. You can easily get too much retinol and iron. Aim for optimal amounts.

    --
    Juhana

  6. Tipster said:

    Get enough fat, protein (according to your weight) and carbohydrate


    on

    Quoted message said:

    a daily basis.

    WRONG!

    It should read: Get enough fat, protein and carbohydrates (according to
    your caloric needs i.e., activity level) on a daily basis.

    Quoted message said:

    Separate your calorie intake through out the day.

    Again it should read: Spreadout your caloric intake through out the day
    by eating 3 meals a day. Try to skip in between meal snacks.

    Get enough fiber by eating 5 servings of "real" fruits and vegetables
    (either raw or cooked) a day, plus "whole" grains.

    30 minutes a day, seven days a week of walking or of more intense
    exercise.

    Along with 7 to 8 hours of sleep.

  7. Tipster said:

    Aim for maximum vitamin and mineral (by food or pills)

    The notion that you can get all of your nutritional needs met by diet
    alone is total B/S, IMHO opinion.

    I cover the subject of diet on my website in 17 pages.
    http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/

    In regards to the need for nutritional supplementation: "The total
    intake of nutrients from your diet is generally closely linked with
    total caloric intake."
    http://supplements.naturalhealthperspective.com/poordiets.html

    Even for the person of normal weight, trying to get your recommended
    intake of calcium and magnesium would require a diet of some 7,000
    calories a day. Hence, it simply not realistic for a person to rely on
    their diet alone for their mineral needs. The poor bioavailability of
    minerals from a fiber heavy diet simply does not add up to what is
    needed for strong bones.

    "The total intake of nutrients from your diet is generally closely
    linked with total caloric intake.

    Are you trying to lose weight? On a restricted diet of 1,500 calories
    most people obtain ONLY about 50% of the recommended daily intakes of
    nutrients.[2] In another study of a varied diet at different energy
    levels, "results show[ed] that at low energy levels, meeting nutrient
    needs was difficult and that even at higher calorie intakes, contrary
    to what was expected, certain nutrients were found to be
    inadequate."[3] Fasting should be viewed as an extreme form of dieting.

    Are you happy with your present weight? You may be surprised to learn
    that many people obtain only about 80% of the recommended daily
    allowances of nutrients from a 2,500 calories a day.[2] The average
    dietary intake of some vitamins, such as folic acid, pantothenic acid,
    vitamin A, beta-carotene, vitamin C and B1, is likely to be inadequate
    from diet alone.[2] "While most vitamins are very well absorbed [from
    food], most essential minerals are not."[4] Results of the 1982-1991
    Total Diet Studies indicated that Intakes of calcium, magnesium, iron
    (females only), zinc and copper were below recommended intakes for some
    groups of individuals.[5]"
    http://supplements.naturalhealthperspective.com/poordiets.html

    "Researchers obtained information from about 200 men and women
    participating in a study on diet. The volunteers were 79 years of age
    and older and were living in a rural section of Iowa, a state in the
    Midwestern section of the United States. The participants' diets were
    lacking in variety, with an average of only 22 different foods consumed
    over the three-day period. In fact, only about 20% of the group
    consumed adequate amounts of at least 16 essential nutrients.
    Furthermore, about 40% of the group consumed diets defined by the
    researchers as inferior, containing adequate amounts of 13 or fewer
    nutrients. More than half of the respondents' diets were lacking in
    folate, vitamins D and E, calcium, and magnesium.[3]"
    http://naturalhealthperspective.com/supplements/

  8. Mr-Natural-Health said:
    Tipster said:

    Separate your calorie intake through out the day.

    Again it should read: Spreadout your caloric intake through
    out the day by eating 3 meals a day. Try to skip in between
    meal snacks.

    Eating 5-6 smaller meals a day is a better way to eat for many reasons,
    increased fatloss being the best reason. Google 'importance of eating
    five to six small meals a day' to read up the 'whys'. Its like people
    just recently discovered this while others knew it all along. And
    snacks certainly are are ok if they are healthy snacks and fit into
    your caloric needs.
    Just as an example: http://www.dolfzine.com/page35.htm
    "Metabolically, the body tends to go into survival mode at or about
    three to fours hours if it has not received an outside source of fuel
    (food). If we eat the standard three meals per day, then we are
    constantly playing the game of speeding up and slowing down the
    metabolic rate. Therefore, it makes sense that to keep the metabolic
    rate turbo charged with food, we should ingest something every three to
    four hours. This translates to about five to six meals per day. When
    the body is fed roughly every three to four hours, it does not drop
    into survival mode, which means the nutrients are broken down and
    utilized more efficiently."

    Quoted message said:

    30 minutes a day, seven days a week of walking or of
    more intense exercise.

    Thirty minutes a day is recommended more for maintenance of
    health/weight but not for getting into shape if one is overweight.
    Years of sedentary eating doesnt come off with only thirty minutes a
    day. Probably more like an hour of cardio a day plus working out with
    weights 3x a week is more like it if you really want to change your
    shape.

    Quoted message said:

    Along with 7 to 8 hours of sleep.

    The importance of sleep is totally underated. Many people who undertake
    an intense exercise regimen may find they need more than the eight
    hours of sleep they are used to and do themselves an injustice by
    skimping on it.

    joanne

  9. joni said:

    Eating 5-6 smaller meals a day is a better way to eat for many


    reasons, ...

    As a practical matter, I don't buy that at all. 🙂

    Having once counseled a 300+ pound, pounder, the 5 meals a day bit is
    simply used as an excuse to eat more food. Obese individuals generally
    have a compulsive need to eat, that must be broken. Better, to get used
    to 3 meals a day.

    You can get used to anything, including 3 meals a day. When you cut
    out junk food, 3 meals a day has no problems. In fact, I have gone
    many a day with fewer meals.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    30 minutes a day, seven days a week of walking or of
    more intense exercise.

    Thirty minutes a day is recommended more for maintenance of
    health/weight but not for getting into shape if one is overweight.

    I was referring to minimal requirements.

    My workouts are in the 2 to 3 hour range when I bodybuild and 1 to 2
    hours for aerobics. Time in the hot tub, sauna, and shower does add
    up!!!

  10. Mr-Natural-Health said:
    joni said:

    Eating 5-6 smaller meals a day is a better way to eat for many

    reasons, ...

    As a practical matter, I don't buy that at all. 🙂

    I think that's the difference. From an ideal standpoint all the
    arguments for eating more smaller meals make sense. From my flawed human
    being standpoint, giving me more opportunities to eat is giving more
    opportunities to overeat.

  11. On 21 May 2005 12:06:11 -0700, Mr-Natural-Health wrote on sci.med.nutrition
    :

    Quoted message said:
    Tipster said:

    Get enough fat, protein (according to your weight) and carbohydrate


    on

    Quoted message said:

    a daily basis.

    WRONG!

    It should read: Get enough fat, protein and carbohydrates (according to
    your caloric needs i.e., activity level) on a daily basis.

    Do you get protein for calories, mainly? ^^
    I was told that protein is needed according to (ideal) weight and phisical
    activity.

    --
    Enrico C

  12. Enrico C said:

    Do you get protein for calories, mainly? ^^
    I was told that protein is needed according to (ideal) weight and


    phisical

    Quoted message said:

    activity.

    Apparently, some people are still afraid of 6th grade math that uses
    percentages. While a lot web sites specify grams of protein by body
    weight, all of the serious research states the same with percentages of
    calories.

    Either way it should work out the same.

    You have to eat X number of calories to maintain a given body weight at
    a given activity level of which 15 percent should be protein.

    Of course, whether or not flooding the body with extra protein actually
    helps any is speculative at best.

    Quoted message said:

    From my point of view, if I have to eat 5 or six meals a day and spend


    $300 a month on supplements then I will pass. I don't need to look
    like a muscle bound geek that bad. I am happy to look like a muscular
    light weight. 🙂

  13. On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:41:01 +0200, Enrico C wrote on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:14:59 +0200, Enrico C wrote on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    On 21 May 2005 17:29:09 -0700, Mr-Natural-Health wrote on sci.med.nutrition
    :

    Quoted message said:

    Enrico C wrote:

    > Do you get protein for calories, mainly? ^^
    > I was told that protein is needed according to (ideal) weight and
    phisical
    > activity.

    Apparently, some people are still afraid of 6th grade math that uses
    percentages.

    Protein RDAs are based on g/kg/day , not on percentages.

    Quoted message said:

    "Based on 1.5 g/kg/day for infants, 1.1 g/kg/day for 1-3 y, 0.95 g/kg/day
    for 4-13 y, 0.85 g/kg/day for 14-18 y, 0.8 g /kg/day for adults, and 1.1
    g/kg/day for pregnant (using prepregnancy weight) and lactating women."

    Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) "set to meet the needs of
    almost all (97 to 98 percent) individuals in a group."

    http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/7/300/0.pdf

    While the AMDR* is based on a *range* of percentages, that is from a min to
    a Max...
    For protein in adults: min 10% Max 35%

    [* "Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range (AMDR) is the range of
    intake for a particular energy source that is associated with reduced risk
    of chronic disease while providing intakes of essential nutrients. If an
    individuals consumed in excess of the AMDR, there is a potential of
    increasing the risk of chronic diseases and insufficient intakes of
    essential nutrients."]

    --
    Enrico C

  14. On 22 May 2005 09:14:00 -0700, Mr-Natural-Health wrote on sci.med.nutrition
    :

    Quoted message said:
    Enrico C said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently, some people are still afraid of 6th grade math that


    uses

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    percentages.

    Protein RDAs are based on g/kg/day , not on percentages.

    ?????

    Perhaps, if you were to focused?

    I said .... Research, ... RESEARCH, ... research ...

    Not once did I ever refer to RDAs,

    You didn't. I do.

    Quoted message said:

    Dumb Ass.

    So you are not interested in talking about nutrition?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Either way it should work out the same.

    I doubt that.

    It is called math, Dumb Ass.

    No, you are not.

    Quoted message said:

    6th grade math!!!

    Yawn... Bye

    --
    Enrico C

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr-Natural-Health said:

    Along with 7 to 8 hours of sleep.

    <lol> On what planet? ;-)
    I'm lucky to get 6.

    Any substitutes for sleep???

    I try to sleep more than that, but I wake up and can't seem to do
    anything about it, not even with increased doses of melatonin.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  16. Typical of an anxiety problem. Think about it.

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I try to sleep more than that, but I wake up and can't seem to do
    anything about it, not even with increased doses of melatonin.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack


    Nicholson

  17. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    Of course, whether or not flooding the body with extra protein actually
    helps any is speculative at best.


    When you have a serious infection, increased protein intake is a
    matter. Your lymphocytes need glutamine, lots of glutamine. Starting
    with alpha-ketoglutarate as a starter (from Krebs cyclus, from sugar
    degradation) you need two ammonium molecules from two amino acid
    molecules to form one molecule of glutamine.

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