How do I avoid simple sugars?

Piezo Guru said:

What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with all
sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

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These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread and
"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then yes
they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are no
where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of these
two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

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Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating natural
foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa, green
tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice cream,
prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.

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Patrick

It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed, unatural
product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling economy. Milk
consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are trying compensate. Now I
will admit yogurt is easier for the human digestion to utilize but to say it
is "natural" means somebody has to go back to school and rethink the word.

Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed, filtered, all
natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You are a product of 20
century advertising and a sucker to boot.

Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much disease in
humans. Man was not built to eat grass.

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Piezo Guru said:

What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with all
sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

Quoted message said:

These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread and
"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then yes
they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are no
where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of these
two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

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Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating natural
foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa, green
tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice cream,
prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.

> Patrick

Piezo Guru said:

It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

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Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

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Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

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Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

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Piezo Guru said:

What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with

all

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sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

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These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread

and

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"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then

yes

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they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are

no

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where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of

these

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two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

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> Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating

natural

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> foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
> sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
> spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,

green

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> tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
> almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
> Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
> grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice

cream,

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> prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
> sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
>
> > Patrick
>

I try to avoid caffeine.

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As for antioxidants, drink green tea and eat lots of blueberries,
pomagranates and scores of other friuts and veggies.

Patrick

Your reasoning for "natural" is ludicrous. Animal flesh and berries have
been around for millions of years. we have developed our systems to these
foods. Thousands of years only yesterday in human evolution.

Cows,sheep, and goats eat grass and have multiple stomachs and can digest
fibre. Humans cannot. Doesn't that tell you something?

Besides, why do we grind it into powder and bleach it, add sugar to it and
chemicals, let it partially rot and then burn it in heat? (Known as the
largest source of carcinegens), Because we can't stomach the raw product.
grains make many people sick and too acidic after years of poisoning
themselves but I guess the cancer, heat disease and osteoporosis rates from
celiac and allergies don't tell you anything either.

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Piezo Guru said:

It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

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Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

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Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

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Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

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Piezo Guru wrote:
> What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
> than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with

all

Quoted message said:

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sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

> These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
> today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread

and

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"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then

yes

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they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are

no

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where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of

these

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two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

> > Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating

natural

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> > foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
> > sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
> > spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,

green

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> > tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
> > almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
> > Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
> > grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice

cream,

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> > prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
> > sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
> >
> > > Patrick
> >

Piezo Guru said:

I try to avoid caffeine.

So do I, but green tea offers too many health benefits.

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As for antioxidants, drink green tea and eat lots of blueberries,
pomagranates and scores of other friuts and veggies.

Patrick

Piezo Guru said:

Your reasoning for "natural" is ludicrous. Animal flesh and berries
have been around for millions of years. we have developed our systems

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to these foods. Thousands of years only yesterday in human evolution.

Okay, but how long have humans been cooking animal flesh? Or are you
an advocate for eating raw meat?

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Cows, sheep, and goats eat grass and have multiple stomachs and can
digest fibre. Humans cannot. Doesn't that tell you something?

There isn't a competent person in the nutritional field (even that hack
Dr. Atkins was smart enough to know whole grains are good for you.) who
would tell you not to eat whole grains. Whole grains are packed with
vitamins, minerals and the fiber offers many health benefits.

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Besides, why do we grind it into powder

Stop! The process stops here for WHOLE grain flours.

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and bleach it, add sugar to it

Yes, the garbage called "enriched" flour is sometimes bleached. It was
done by the food industry to extend its shelf life. That's why you eat
whole grain flours.

No enriched flour, that I know of, has sugar added.

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and chemicals, let it partially rot and then burn it in heat? (Known

as

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the largest source of carcinegens),

The chemicals I assume you're talking about are the vitamins added
after all the nutrious germ and fiber have been removed. That's why
you're supposed to eat foods made from WHOLE-grain flour.

Where the heck did you get the info about rotting and burning? lol

And if you're worried about carcinegens, I hope you're not grilling
your meat.

Or are you eating your meat, the "unnatural way" by heating it?

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Because we can't stomach the raw product. grains make many people

sick > and too acidic after years of poisoning themselves but I guess
the

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cancer, heat disease and steoporosis rates from celiac and allergies
don't tell you anything either.

Really? Then please explain how this 41 year-old, grain eater, has a
30" waist, a resting pulse rate in the 30s, runs a mile and a half in
the 9:30s, and can easily spend 2 hours in the gym pumping weights, and
has an energy level that puts most twenty year olds to shame?

You've spiked my interest. Please list your typical daily diet. I'm
curious.

Patrick

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Piezo Guru said:

It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the

human

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digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody

has

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to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I

think

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it deserves the "natural" term.

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Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here?

You

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Quoted message said:

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are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

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Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't

killed

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us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has

always

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been a staple.

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Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

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> Piezo Guru wrote:
> > What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more

natural

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> > than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?
>
> Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread

for

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> thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If

it

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> doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.
>
> Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled

with

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all

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> sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
> ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.
>
> > These are the most processed, man intervened, products

consumed

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> > today.
>
> Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain

bread

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and

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> "fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners

then

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yes

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> they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread

are

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no

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> where near the "most processed, man intervened products

consumed

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> today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_

of

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these

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> two foods... and that is not good.
>
> Patrick
>
> > > Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating

natural

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> > > foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts

with

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> > > sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
> > > spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,

green

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> > > tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
> > > almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest

forms.

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> > > Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
> > > grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice

cream,

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> > > prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy

bars,

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> > > sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
> > >
> > > > Patrick
> > >
>

Well if you think "whole grain" means unprocessed and/or unground then the
conversation just stopped here.

Mankind has been cooking meat since the invention of fire. Have a guess how
long ago that was or do you think we always lived close to the equator?

You obviously have been sleeping through nutrition 101 for the last few
years.

Buh bye

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Where the heck did you get the info about rotting and burning? lol

And if you're worried about carcinegens, I hope you're not grilling
your meat.

Or are you eating your meat, the "unnatural way" by heating it?

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Because we can't stomach the raw product. grains make many people

sick > and too acidic after years of poisoning themselves but I guess
the

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cancer, heat disease and steoporosis rates from celiac and allergies
don't tell you anything either.

Paul Kossa said:

I know "simple sugars" are not the best carbos to eat. Thing is, I'm
no nutritional scientist, so just how in the heck am I supposed to
know if the carbs in a particular food are "simple" or "complex?!" (I
notice on the food labels for carbs, they have "fiber," "other carbs,"
and "sugars." Am I right in assuming that "sugars" is a reference to
the simple carbs . . . or is there something else I should be looking
for?)

avoid processed foods.

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Piezo Guru said:

It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw milk
and do not heat it above 110.

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Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

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Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for you,
but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of about
12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue" can
a body take?

René

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Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

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Piezo Guru wrote:
> What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
> than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with

all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

> These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
> today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread

and

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"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then

yes

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they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are

no

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where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of

these

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Quoted message said:

two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

> > Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating

natural

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> > foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
> > sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
> > spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,

green

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> > tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
> > almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
> > Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
> > grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice

cream,

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> > prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
> > sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
> >
> > > Patrick
> >

The yogurt culture definitely helps the breakdown of the dairy but
homogenized dairy is a problem. I have heard many theories why but the one
that seems most applicable is the particules get broken down so fine during
the homogenization process the digestion system cannot recognize them
properly for correct digestion.

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Piezo Guru said:

It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw

milk

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and do not heat it above 110.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

Quoted message said:

Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for

you,

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but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of about
12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue"

can

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a body take?

Reni

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Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

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> Piezo Guru wrote:
> > What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
> > than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?
>
> Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
> thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
> doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.
>
> Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with

all

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> sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
> ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.
>
> > These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
> > today.
>
> Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread

and

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> "fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then

yes

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> they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are

no

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> where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
> today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of

these

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> two foods... and that is not good.
>
> Patrick
>
> > > Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating

natural

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> > > foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
> > > sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
> > > spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,

green

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> > > tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
> > > almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
> > > Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
> > > grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice

cream,

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> > > prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
> > > sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
> > >
> > > > Patrick
> > >
>

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The yogurt culture definitely helps the breakdown of the dairy but
homogenized dairy is a problem. I have heard many theories why but the one
that seems most applicable is the particules get broken down so fine
during
the homogenization process the digestion system cannot recognize them
properly for correct digestion.

http://www.realmilk.com/what.html Of course this site is a little biased;-)
Homogenization is bad, but pasteurization is even worse. Plus, look at the
additives to grocery store milk.

René

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Piezo Guru wrote:
> It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
> unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
> economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
> trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
> digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
> to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw

milk

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and do not heat it above 110.

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> Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
> filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
> are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

> Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
> disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for

you,

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but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of about
12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue"

can

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a body take?

Reni

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> Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Piezo Guru wrote:
> > > What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
> > > than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?
> >
> > Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
> > thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
> > doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.
> >
> > Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with
all
> > sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
> > ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.
> >
> > > These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
> > > today.
> >
> > Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread
and
> > "fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then
yes
> > they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are
no
> > where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
> > today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of
these
> > two foods... and that is not good.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > > > Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating
natural
> > > > foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
> > > > sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
> > > > spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,
green
> > > > tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
> > > > almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
> > > > Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
> > > > grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice
cream,
> > > > prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
> > > > sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
> > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > > >
> >

Well I understand that if you are going to consume dairy, yogurt is the best
one.

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The yogurt culture definitely helps the breakdown of the dairy but
homogenized dairy is a problem. I have heard many theories why but the

one

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that seems most applicable is the particules get broken down so fine
during
the homogenization process the digestion system cannot recognize them
properly for correct digestion.

http://www.realmilk.com/what.html Of course this site is a little

biased;-)

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Homogenization is bad, but pasteurization is even worse. Plus, look at

the

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additives to grocery store milk.

Reni

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Piezo Guru wrote:
>> It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
>> unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
>> economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
>> trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
>> digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
>> to go back to school and rethink the word.
>
> It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I

think

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> it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw

milk

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and do not heat it above 110.

>
>> Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
>> filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
>> are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.
>
> So no dairy at all for you I take it...?
>
>> Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
>> disease in humans.
>
> And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
> us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
> been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for

you,

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but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of

about

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12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue"

can

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a body take?

Reni

>
>> Man was not built to eat grass.
>
> What was man built to eat?
>
> Patrick
>
>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > Piezo Guru wrote:
>> > > What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
>> > > than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?
>> >
>> > Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
>> > thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
>> > doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.
>> >
>> > Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with
> all
>> > sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
>> > ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.
>> >
>> > > These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
>> > > today.
>> >
>> > Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain

bread

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> and
>> > "fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners

then

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> yes
>> > they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are
> no
>> > where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
>> > today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of
> these
>> > two foods... and that is not good.
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > > > Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating
> natural
>> > > > foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
>> > > > sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
>> > > > spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,
> green
>> > > > tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
>> > > > almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
>> > > > Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
>> > > > grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice
> cream,
>> > > > prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
>> > > > sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Patrick
>> > > >
>> >
>

On 23 Jan 2005 13:02:51 -0800, "montygram" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Hi Montygram.

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I ate a diet of legumes, whole grains, nuts, and seeds for years, and
it caused stomach discomfort, but I didn't think much of it, since
everyone else I knew had worse problems. Then I lost the ability to
digest food, and went from 130 pounds to about 98 in less than a year.

You often refer to Sri Lankans, et al, and their use of coconut oil in
their diet. You fail to mention their reliance on legumes, nuts, fish
and rice in their diet, things you considered to be problem causing. I
think your problems with complex carbs says more about your own
individual situation rather than actual problems with complex carbs.
Did you not say once in a posting here that your problems were
life-threatening? In any case, we (mankind) seemed to do quite well on
complex carbs before we got into highly processed foods in a big way.

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I'm currently writing a book about the so-called
French Paradox diet, which is what I'm eating these days. I make
breads with butter, Rapadura sugar, unbleached organic flour, and
liqueur, for example. I'd never go near whole wheat flour again. You
don't need to protect your gut with "fiber" if there is no oxidative
(or other) stress placed on it. So you can eat reasonable amounts of
quality sugar (after al, that's what your brain runs on), but replace
some of it with herbs and spices that are high in antioxidants, which
will help your gut, not hurt it.

Are you really following a diet as currently practiced in France? You
seem to be inventing your version of said diet. Last time I checked,
the French weren't big consumers of coconut oil. From posts you have
made the diet you are following sounds little like a "French Paradox"
diet. The French eat meat, which you warn us against. They drink
plenty of wine. I'm not sure what your stand on that is yet. The
French basically eat a fatty diet but they eat slowly and they eat
less than your typical westerner. As well, the French, on average, get
more exercise than the typical westerner. Having said that, the French
do eat foods high in antioxidants such as fruits and vegetables but
let's not forget the cream and cheeses in their diet as well. Do you
really think the dairy products consumed in France are all raw
products?

Perhaps you could expand more on your definition of a French Paradox
diet and identify the components of such a diet.

Thanks for your time.

rr