How [censored] are these?

Martin Wilson said:

Just wondering if anyone has experience of these either good or bad?

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=1751&productId=86245

Without knowing the weight, I'd steer clear.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Without knowing the weight, I'd steer clear.

I'd be inclined to steer clear in any case. I remember watching a TV
prog once on an advanced driving course given by racing and rally
drivers. Point #1 was "a good car with bad tyres is a bad car", and I
think the same will go for bikes. Spend a few more pennies and you can
have something Serious from Vredestein, Schwalbe, Michelin, Specialized
etc. which almost certainly *will* do a better job. And "better job"
from a tyre means potentially safer, faster, less punctures, longer
lasting and better handling. Saving a tenner (or even two) on them just
strikes me as a clear false economy.

Pete.
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In my experience, such as it is High Gear products are not at all bad for
the price. Example having run my Giant ATB using good quality Michelin's
that have proved to be useless, compared to my Marin that has cheap yes Hi
Gears fitted when used in muddy conditions. As for weight hell what is a few
grams compared to the average weight of an average rider.
Ray

Martin Wilson said:

Just wondering if anyone has experience of these either good or bad?

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10
001&langId=-1&catalogId=1751&productId=86245

I've not tried them but I can tell from the tread pattern that they
wouldn't be very good on road, if that's what you want to use them for.
Better would be Schwalbe City Jet @ £23.99 inc tubes & postage from
www.wiggle.co.uk

Note that Hi Gear is a "rebrand" name, not a manufacturer as such. I've
seen certain seemingly identical products (including inner tubes)
rebranded with various names, including Hi Gear.

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve bonding. But to
be fair, that's something that can happen with expensive brands as well
sometimes.

~PB

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Quoted message said:

In my experience, such as it is High Gear products are not at all bad for
the price. Example having run my Giant ATB using good quality Michelin's
that have proved to be useless, compared to my Marin that has cheap yes Hi
Gears fitted when used in muddy conditions. As for weight hell what is a

few

Quoted message said:

grams compared to the average weight of an average rider.
Ray

I agree - I've no direct experience with this particular product, but Hi
Gear equipment is usually reliable, if a bit basic. I suspect it depends
what you want to use these tyres for, but if it's just for hacking about,
I'd give them a try.

In article <[email hidden]>, Pete Biggs

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve bonding.
But to be fair, that's something that can happen with expensive
brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no problems.

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Just wondering if anyone has experience of these either good or bad?

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=1751&productId=86245

They may not be [censored] at all. But I would be very wary. You can get
perfectly good name brand tyres from your LBS for not much more.

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In my experience, such as it is High Gear products are not at all bad
for the price. Example having run my Giant ATB using good quality
Michelin's that have proved to be useless, compared to my Marin that
has cheap yes Hi Gears fitted when used in muddy conditions. As for
weight hell what is a few grams compared to the average weight of an
average rider.

Weight is one of the first priorities for a cyclist anywhere but Holland
and Leicestershire (and other very very flat places). And weight in the
tyres is the worst place to have it because it adds to the rotating
mass, affecting acceleration, braking and handling.

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On 3/7/04 8:05 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"

Quoted message said:

Weight is one of the first priorities for a cyclist anywhere but Holland
and Leicestershire (and other very very flat places). And weight in the
tyres is the worst place to have it because it adds to the rotating
mass, affecting acceleration, braking and handling.

I had economised by buying som H****ords own brand tyres. After a few
hundred miles one developed a lump, noticeable when riding. This gradually
expanded till the tyre blew. Not impressed. Replaced both with Schwalbe city
jet which have proved to be a lot better. So far they barely show wear
despite many hundreds of miles.

Next slicks will be Nokian AWS purely because the tread pattern is so cool..

...d

Sandy Morton said:

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve bonding.
But to be fair, that's something that can happen with expensive
brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

Because I don't think it happens with *all* brands.

Quoted message said:

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no problems.

Jolly good, but they may not have all been made by the same manufacturer,
just rebranded "Hi Gear".

~PB

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Next slicks will be Nokian AWS purely because the tread pattern is so
cool..

Oh wow!
<URL:http://www.nokiantyres.com/bike/images/aws.jpg>
I might just _need_ a pair of those...

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Pete Biggs said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve bonding. But to
be fair, that's something that can happen with expensive brands as well
sometimes.

Sure can. I have had an excessive number of failures with specialized
inner tubes, ranging from the failure above to the actual (presta) valve
inner stem blowing out on first use. I'm quite happy to give cheap,
no-name brands a go as they can't be worse than my experience with
specialized.

Pete

Ningi said:

Sure can. I have had an excessive number of failures with specialized
inner tubes, ranging from the failure above to the actual (presta)
valve inner stem blowing out on first use. I'm quite happy to give
cheap, no-name brands a go as they can't be worse than my experience
with specialized.

Pete

Similar experience. The only bit theat Spec seem to contribute is the red &
black box though, so you might as well buy generics. Me.... I've had so many
"lightweight" tubes explode that I've decided to stick with Raleigh bog
standard ones - it just galls me to spend so much on a "light" pair of
wheels, and have to use "heavy" tubes to improve my average speed :-)

Cheers,
Chris

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Quoted message said:

I have had an excessive number of failures with specialized
inner tubes, ranging from the failure above to the actual (presta) valve
inner stem blowing out on first use.

I use Michelin tubes and have never had a problem with them.

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bob watkinson said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have problems?

Sandy has a bicycle hire business, and he'd know if he was dealing with
false economies because of the large sample base.

OTOH though inner tubes are often much of a muchness stuff I think you
can get ahead by getting tyres from Big Names where I think you do get
what you pay for and for best performance I'd sooner take a Schwalbe
than a Noname remould or the like.

Pete.
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"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have problems?

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Pete Biggs

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve bonding.
But to be fair, that's something that can happen with expensive
brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no problems.

--
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on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.millport.net

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Quoted message said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have problems?

"Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Pete Biggs

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve bonding.
But to be fair, that's something that can happen with expensive
brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no problems.

--
A T (Sandy) Morton
on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.millport.net

Keep up at the back - Sandy runs a bike hire business.

JBB

Peter Clinch said:

bob watkinson said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have problems?

Sandy has a bicycle hire business, and he'd know if he was dealing with
false economies because of the large sample base.

OTOH though inner tubes are often much of a muchness stuff I think you
can get ahead by getting tyres from Big Names where I think you do get
what you pay for and for best performance I'd sooner take a Schwalbe
than a Noname remould or the like.

Pete.

The biggest difference I find between the cheap and more expensive inner
tubes (apart from thickness and weight) is the cleanness of the moulding
lines which can make a big difference if you want to patch and the hole
in near a moulding line.

Tony

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Peter Clinch said:

bob watkinson said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have problems?

Sandy has a bicycle hire business, and he'd know if he was dealing
with false economies because of the large sample base.

The biggest difference I find between the cheap and more expensive
inner tubes (apart from thickness and weight) is the cleanness of the
moulding lines which can make a big difference if you want to patch
and the hole in near a moulding line.

And as Sandy's already says he doesn't bother to repair tubes paying
extra for this would not benefit him at all.

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