How can you not like Tyler?

I have a feeling he's going to do a really good ride in the ITT. Can't wait!

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for crissakes. Every time anyone talks to him, he's nothing but totally polite, completely
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cockiness or vanity. And the whole collarbone thing. I mean, he's a sponsor's goddamn dream.

I bet we're gonna find out he has a bunch of kiddie [censored] on his hard drive or something...

And I get to work out with him almost everyday. Cyclorobix (sp?) baby!

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for crissakes. Every time anyone talks to him, he's nothing but totally polite, completely
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cockiness or vanity. And the whole collarbone thing. I mean, he's a sponsor's goddamn dream.

I bet we're gonna find out he has a bunch of kiddie [censored] on his hard drive or something...

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I have a feeling he's going to do a really good ride in the ITT. Can't wait!

I've been wondering how he will TT with a broken collar bone. He has shown that he can ride with the
best up the mountains, so I think he will surprise everyone and put in a really good ITT time. Who
knows, he might sneak onto the podium.
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I'd be pleased if Tyler Hamilton hangs on to a top placing in this year's Tour de France, but in
addition to the pain his problem is causing him, it's got to be eating into his recovery too. That's
going to become a factor later in the event.

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I have a feeling he's going to do a really good ride in the ITT. Can't wait!

I've been wondering how he will TT with a broken collar bone.

Supposedly he did the yeoman's duty expected of him during the TTT.

BTW, one of the most telling observations I've seen is somebody's report that Armstrong was only
pulling for ~30 s at a time during the TTT, vs. ~40 s for Ekimov and a whopping full minute for the
resurgent Hincapie. Not exactly what you'd expect if Armstrong had the form of previous years...

Andy Coggan

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I have a feeling he's going to do a really good ride in the ITT. Can't wait!

I've been wondering how he will TT with a broken collar bone. He has

shown

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that he can ride with the best up the mountains, so I think he will

surprise

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everyone and put in a really good ITT time. Who knows, he might sneak

onto the

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podium.
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If he can climb like he has been I see no problems with his TT. The tape they are using should
assist him in holding his TT position. I had to do the same thing for a while because of a back
injury. The physio put several layers of tape so that if I moved my lower back at all, the tape
tension would give me immediate feedback before I could move enough to cause problems. I assume
that is why they taped it up, to restrict his range and keep it from getting worse. Still, broken
bones hurt like hell. This also reminds me of 1996 when Zulle broke a collar bone several weeks
before the Tour. He has surgery with hardware installed. He won the prologue but I don't think he
finished that year. I can't remember what exactly happened to him but I seem to remember the fresh
surgery caused him problems. Maybe he fell again...now I need to look for that tape to see if it
reveals anything. Hmmm...

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I have a feeling he's going to do a really good ride in the ITT. Can't wait!

I've been wondering how he will TT with a broken collar bone.

Supposedly he did the yeoman's duty expected of him during the TTT.

BTW, one of the most telling observations I've seen is somebody's report that Armstrong was only
pulling for ~30 s at a time during the TTT, vs.

~40

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s for Ekimov and a whopping full minute for the resurgent Hincapie. Not exactly what you'd expect
if Armstrong had the form of previous years...

Andy Coggan

Hincapie seems to be having his best Tour ever. I wish they would cut him loose to go for a
stage win.

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BTW, one of the most telling observations I've seen is somebody's report that Armstrong was only
pulling for ~30 s at a time during the TTT, vs. ~40 s for Ekimov and a whopping full minute for
the resurgent Hincapie. Not exactly what you'd expect if Armstrong had the form of previous
years...

Actually, it was 30s for Ekimov, 40s for Armstrong, and 1 minute for all the others (averaging 9s
each, although some of them pulled back inmediately.). I had measured several previous Armstrong
pulls, all of them lasting 30-40s. I was looking for signs of LA weakness, but the data wasn't very
conclusive.

Jenko

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Supposedly he did the yeoman's duty expected of him during the TTT.

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BTW, one of the most telling observations I've seen is somebody's report that Armstrong was only
pulling for ~30 s at a time during the TTT, vs. ~40 s for Ekimov and a whopping full minute for
the resurgent Hincapie. Not exactly what you'd expect if Armstrong had the form of previous
years...

Armstrong did do a faster prologue than Eki, Hincapie, and about 180 other people, you think his
form fell off between then and the TTT? I wouldn't believe everything you read on rbr (shocking!)

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I have a feeling he's going to do a really good ride in the ITT. Can't wait!

I've been wondering how he will TT with a broken collar bone. He has

shown

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that he can ride with the best up the mountains, so I think he will

surprise

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everyone and put in a really good ITT time. Who knows, he might sneak

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podium.
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If he can climb like he has been I see no problems with his TT. The tape they are using should
assist him in holding his TT position. I had to do the same thing for a while because of a back
injury. The physio put several layers of tape so that if I moved my lower back at all, the tape
tension would give me immediate feedback before I could move enough to cause problems. I assume
that is why they taped it up, to restrict his range and keep it from getting worse. Still, broken
bones hurt like hell. This also reminds me of 1996 when Zulle broke a collar bone several weeks
before the Tour. He has surgery with hardware installed. He won the prologue but I don't think he
finished that year. I can't remember what exactly happened to him but I seem to remember the fresh
surgery caused him problems. Maybe he fell again...now I need to look for that tape to see if it
reveals anything. Hmmm...

The only problem I can see with Tyler's performance in the second half is the potential for
compensation injuries that aren't severe, but might impact performance. If you read his web site
(tylerhamilton.comtylerhamilton.comOpen ↗) his latest update tells of increase back pain and painful breathing.

Pain on breathing has to impact TT performance, while I am sure he could push through the discomfort
of the back pain based on how he has done with the other pain. I don't know how you can overcome the
inability to breath deeply in a time trial.

He actually comments that one side of his body is now stronger than the other since he is favoring
is injured right side.

I hope he does well...

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This also reminds me of 1996 when Zulle broke a collar bone several weeks before the Tour. He has
surgery with hardware installed. He won the prologue

See - more proof that a broken collarbone aids in performance in a very short TT! Carl Sundquist,
I think you need to surrender your world's silver medal for taking unfair advantage of this
ergogenic aid! ;-)

Andy Coggan

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Supposedly he did the yeoman's duty expected of him during the TTT.

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BTW, one of the most telling observations I've seen is somebody's report that Armstrong was only
pulling for ~30 s at a time during the TTT, vs.

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s for Ekimov and a whopping full minute for the resurgent Hincapie. Not exactly what you'd
expect if Armstrong had the form of previous years...

Armstrong did do a faster prologue than Eki, Hincapie, and about 180 other people, you think his
form fell off between then and the TTT?

No, I think that human performance varies a little bit day-to-day, such that you might beat somebody
in the prologue yet not be as strong as they are on the day of the TTT. However, if you were
markedly superior to somebody else, even on a bad day (e.g., TTT) you'd still be ripping their legs
off. It certainly doesn't sound like that was the case, as you might have expected in years past.

Look at it this way: Armstrong wanted that TTT win badly, and could benefit tremendously from any
time he could put into his rivals...so if he were really stronger than e.g., Hincapie, why wasn't he
the one taking the monster pulls, especially towards the end as they were overhauling ONCE's splits?

I think that Armstrong is getting older and slowing down, but is still good enough overall (climbing
and TTing) to win the TdF, although possibly/probably without winning a single stage (excepting the
*team* time trial).

Another prediction: the Armstrong of 2003 couldn't take the hour record away from Boardman even if
he tried (which he won't).

Andy Coggan

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This also reminds me of 1996 when Zulle broke a collar bone several weeks before the Tour. He has
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See - more proof that a broken collarbone aids in performance in a very short TT! Carl Sundquist,
I think you need to surrender your world's silver medal for taking unfair advantage of this
ergogenic aid! ;-)

A good theory except Zulle broke his collar bone in 1997, a year when he won nothing. He did finish
5th in the prologue however, ahead of many other contenders that year. This was a better finish than
he had the following year although [censored] getting busted before the race might have been a
distraction.

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medal for taking unfair advantage of this ergogenic aid! ;-)

A good theory except Zulle broke his collar bone in 1997, a year when he won nothing. He did
finish 5th in the prologue however, ahead of many other contenders that year. This was a better
finish than he had the following year

No, see, it does support the theory: 5th in the prologue in 1997 shortly after breaking his
collarbone, further back the following year when he hadn't suffered any broken bones. I'm telling
you, there's something to it!

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I think that Armstrong is getting older and slowing down, but is still good enough overall
(climbing and TTing) to win the TdF, although possibly/probably without winning a single stage
(excepting the *team* time trial).

So, why is he talking up Friday's time trial? He's obviously baiting contenders to go too hard in
the first half.

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Another prediction: the Armstrong of 2003 couldn't take the hour record away from Boardman even if
he tried (which he won't).

I could have told you that based on his "facial expression to droppage" ratio in late April, when he
was obviously going as hard as he could, and couldn't drop anyone.

It all makes for good tour viewing though. Can we just award Bettini the win for Thursday and skip
to Friday?

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It all makes for good tour viewing though. Can we just award Bettini the win for Thursday and skip
to Friday?

"We" could but then "we" would be wrong, wouldn't "we"?

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medal for taking unfair advantage of this ergogenic aid! ;-)

A good theory except Zulle broke his collar bone in 1997

Thanks for the correction. I don't know how I got that in my head. I verified it in the
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year. This was a better finish than he had the following year although [censored] getting busted before
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I could have told you that based on his "facial expression to droppage" ratio in late April, when
he was obviously going as hard as he could,

Dude,

'Facial expression to droppage ratio' ...?!??!?

Regards, Dude

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See - more proof that a broken collarbone aids in performance in a very short TT! Carl Sundquist,
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medal for taking unfair advantage of this ergogenic aid! ;-)

It didn't seem like much of an advantage at the time.