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  1. This is from MrBookmaker.com
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Tour 2004 - Petacchi

    Tour de France 2004 : How many stages will Alessandro
    Petacchi win ? (Petacchi must start in the Tour de France
    2004 otherwise the bet will be refunded - The prologue as
    well as the team time trial do not count for this bet)

    None 16.00 Exactly 1 or 2 stage(s) 3.50 Exactly 3 or 4
    stages 2.50 Exactly 5 or 6 stages 2.75 7 stages or more 4.75
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So it appears that the betting line is that Petacchi will
    slap the other sprinters around at will. What surprises me
    is that there appears to be no risk factor. Sprinters get
    busted up all the time i.e. Cipo in this year's Giro.
    Sprinting is a pretty hazardous occupation, and there
    appears to be no recognition of that.

    There also seems to be no recognition of how difficult it is
    for one team to control enough stages for one guy to win
    that often. I think the Tour is way different from the Giro
    in that respect.

    Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

  2. "Bob Schwartz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is from MrBookmaker.com
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Tour 2004 - Petacchi

    Tour de France 2004 : How many stages will Alessandro
    Petacchi win ? (Petacchi must start in the Tour de France
    2004 otherwise the bet will be refunded - The prologue as
    well as the team time trial do not count for this bet)

    None 16.00 Exactly 1 or 2 stage(s) 3.50 Exactly 3 or 4
    stages 2.50 Exactly 5 or 6 stages 2.75 7 stages or
    more 4.75
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So it appears that the betting line is that Petacchi will
    slap the other sprinters around at will. What surprises me
    is that there appears to be no risk factor. Sprinters get
    busted up all the time i.e. Cipo in this year's Giro.
    Sprinting is a pretty hazardous occupation, and there
    appears to be no recognition of that.

    There also seems to be no recognition of how difficult it
    is for one team to control enough stages for one guy to
    win that often. I think the Tour is way different from the
    Giro in that respect.

    Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

    Boonen could throw a curve at them. It will be fun.

  3. Can I bet on whether Cipo will show up?

  4. Bob Schwartz said:

    There also seems to be no recognition of how difficult it
    is for one team to control enough stages for one guy to
    win that often. I think the Tour is way different from the
    Giro in that respect.

    'member Cipo winning 4 in a row in '99?

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Bob Schwartz

    Quoted message said:

    This is from MrBookmaker.com
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Tour 2004 - Petacchi

    Tour de France 2004 : How many stages will Alessandro
    Petacchi win ? (Petacchi must start in the Tour de France
    2004 otherwise the bet will be refunded - The prologue as
    well as the team time trial do not count for this bet)

    None 16.00 Exactly 1 or 2 stage(s) 3.50 Exactly 3 or 4
    stages 2.50 Exactly 5 or 6 stages 2.75 7 stages or
    more 4.75
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So it appears that the betting line is that Petacchi will
    slap the other sprinters around at will. What surprises me
    is that there appears to be no risk factor. Sprinters get
    busted up all the time i.e. Cipo in this year's Giro.
    Sprinting is a pretty hazardous occupation, and there
    appears to be no recognition of that.

    True, but the dangerous area starts about 6 inches BEHIND
    Petacchi's wheel.

    -WG

  6. warren said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Bob
    Schwartz <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is from MrBookmaker.com
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Tour 2004 - Petacchi

    Tour de France 2004 : How many stages will Alessandro
    Petacchi win ? (Petacchi must start in the Tour de France
    2004 otherwise the bet will be refunded - The prologue as
    well as the team time trial do not count for this bet)

    None 16.00 Exactly 1 or 2 stage(s) 3.50 Exactly 3 or 4
    stages 2.50 Exactly 5 or 6 stages 2.75 7 stages or
    more 4.75
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So it appears that the betting line is that Petacchi will
    slap the other sprinters around at will. What surprises
    me is that there appears to be no risk factor. Sprinters
    get busted up all the time i.e. Cipo in this year's Giro.
    Sprinting is a pretty hazardous occupation, and there
    appears to be no recognition of that.

    Quoted message said:

    True, but the dangerous area starts about 6 inches BEHIND
    Petacchi's wheel.

    I can think of one other Grand Tour besides this year's Giro
    where Cipo crashed and didn't win a stage. The other was the
    1994 Vuelta. The odds of that happening to any given
    sprinter are not insignificant. Consider, in both cases he
    got tangled with a member of his own team. It's a high risk
    occupation, and [censored] happens.

    Yet according to the betting line we are much more likely to
    see 7 or more wins for Jet-Ale. I think I'd put my money on
    'None' at 16 to 1.

    Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

  7. gym gravity said:

    Bob Schwartz wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There also seems to be no recognition of how difficult it
    is for one team to control enough stages for one guy to
    win that often. I think the Tour is way different from
    the Giro in that respect.

    Quoted message said:

    'member Cipo winning 4 in a row in '99?

    In 1997 Cipo lost the yellow jersey to Vasseur on a long
    breakaway. He had been leading for several days and
    Saeco was too fried on riding tempo so they sat up and
    let him take it.

    The Tour does a lot less of that "piano, piano" [censored] than
    the Giro, and Fassa Bortolo is not going to get any help
    from any other team in holding things together.

    The other side is that Petacchi is much more likely to still
    be in the race beyond the first week, so he might pick up a
    transitional stage. But the opportunists are targeting those
    so it will be very hard.

    I think he'll get his share of wins, but I have a hard time
    seeing him win stages in bulk like he did in the Giro.

    Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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