Hour Record broken

Wow that is unexpected. If they are supposed to use Eddy Merccx era
bikes how come he was using a disk wheel?

"Jason Spaceman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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According to CyclingNews a Czech rider with the Water & Soap team has set

a new

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hour rekkid ---> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2005/jul05/jul19news6

J. Spaceman

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will only get caught in my spam tarpit.

Thanx for the news. I've always maintained an interest in the Hour. But I
wish they would go back to the Absolute Hour as it was more exciting to see
technology play it's part.

Laz

Images of his bike I am told will be on Ondrej's website tommorow.
www.sosenka.cz

I understand the Vuelta rear wheel was heavier not disc but I may be wrong.

On 19-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, "Laz" <[email hidden]> blindly
formulated
the following incoherence:

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Thanx for the news. I've always maintained an interest in the Hour. But I
wish they would go back to the Absolute Hour as it was more exciting to
see
technology play it's part.

I'll register disagreement on that one. Let the hour record be the test of
the rider himself.

Personally Id prefer to see the technology taken substantially out of
cycling on the road, too. For example in the grand tours, Id make the rule
that you have to ride the same bike (gearing changes allowed, but the same
wheels), handlebars, and helmet in the road stages and the TTs. Was it last
year or the year before where one TT crested a tough climb in the middle,
and half the contenders switched bikes at the summit? That's not cycling.

steve
--
"Local firemen improvised."
Benny Hill

"steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 19-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, "Laz" <[email hidden]>

blindly

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formulated
the following incoherence:

Quoted message said:

Thanx for the news. I've always maintained an interest in the Hour. But

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wish they would go back to the Absolute Hour as it was more exciting to
see
technology play it's part.

I'll register disagreement on that one. Let the hour record be the test

of

Quoted message said:

the rider himself.

Personally Id prefer to see the technology taken substantially out of
cycling on the road, too. For example in the grand tours, Id make the

rule

Quoted message said:

that you have to ride the same bike (gearing changes allowed, but the same
wheels), handlebars, and helmet in the road stages and the TTs. Was it

last

Quoted message said:

year or the year before where one TT crested a tough climb in the middle,
and half the contenders switched bikes at the summit? That's not cycling.

From the article:

"In his attempt, Sosenka was using a 3.2 kg wheel and 190 mm cranks. The
reason for the heavy wheel was that although it was harder to get up to
speed, it was easy to maintain it. "

He basically used his rear wheel like a flywheel. The inertia of that heavy,
spinning wheel would keep him coasting at speed far longer than with regular
wheel.

So, another use of technology to reduce the hour record.

One of the things I like about mountain biking is that the racer must remain
self-sufficient. You can't change your wheel if you get a flat - you've
gotta fix it.

Regards,
Paul

Paul R a écrit :

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One of the things I like about mountain biking is that the racer must remain
self-sufficient. You can't change your wheel if you get a flat - you've
gotta fix it.

It would be such a better sport if the riders would also have to build
their bikes from scratch. Tom Ritchey would be world champion.

-ilan

Actually, you can get outside support in mountain bike races now, so
that kind of blows your self sufficiency theory out the window. The
UCI changed the rules this year. You no longer have to be self
sufficient in mountain biking. You can get assistance at certain
"tech" zones throughout a race if you need it. As in extra wheels,
tools, tubes, whatever you need.

Tom

"steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 19-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, "Laz" <[email hidden]>

blindly

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formulated
the following incoherence:

Quoted message said:

Thanx for the news. I've always maintained an interest in the Hour. But

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wish they would go back to the Absolute Hour as it was more exciting to
see
technology play it's part.

I'll register disagreement on that one. Let the hour record be the test

of

Quoted message said:

the rider himself.

Personally Id prefer to see the technology taken substantially out of
cycling on the road, too. For example in the grand tours, Id make the

rule

Quoted message said:

that you have to ride the same bike (gearing changes allowed, but the same
wheels), handlebars, and helmet in the road stages and the TTs. Was it

last

Quoted message said:

year or the year before where one TT crested a tough climb in the middle,
and half the contenders switched bikes at the summit? That's not cycling.

I'd definately like to see radio communications go, maybe even the
entourage of motor vehicles.

I wonder if they've also reverted to using old-style drugs...

Jason Spaceman said:

According to CyclingNews a Czech rider with the Water & Soap team has set a new
hour rekkid ---> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2005/jul05/jul19news6

Paul R said:

From the article:

"In his attempt, Sosenka was using a 3.2 kg wheel and 190 mm cranks. The
reason for the heavy wheel was that although it was harder to get up to
speed, it was easy to maintain it. "

He basically used his rear wheel like a flywheel. The inertia of that heavy,
spinning wheel would keep him coasting at speed far longer than with regular
wheel.

So, another use of technology to reduce the hour record.

A relatively *old* technology, IIRC. Seems to me that Moser, possibly
the first to use a disk in an hour attempt, was reported to have lead
weights in his wheel(s) to get a flywheel effect.

(Please help - *was* it Moser? Does anybody else remember the
lead-weight reports?)

Mark

Mark Janeba said:

A relatively *old* technology, IIRC. Seems to me that Moser, possibly
the first to use a disk in an hour attempt, was reported to have lead
weights in his wheel(s) to get a flywheel effect.

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(Please help - *was* it Moser? Does anybody else remember the
lead-weight reports?)

Yes, it was Moser. I remember the Mavic disc with cut outs for
the weights.

It was a stupid idea then and it's a stupid idea now. That's
why nobody does it. Because it's stoopid.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

Better yet, what if they had to draw their own comics? That might be
the only way that Patrick O'Grady could ever compete.

Paul R said:

He basically used his rear wheel like a flywheel. The inertia of that heavy,
spinning wheel would keep him coasting at speed far longer than with regular
wheel.

So, another use of technology to reduce the hour record.

You can't coast during an hour record attempt, or you won't
make it. Of course you aren't coasting anyway since it's a
fixed gear. The inertia of a bike and rider moving at 40+ km/h
keeps the pedals spinning. Suppose a regular rear weighs about
0.8 kg and his was 2.5 kg heavier. You get an additional
2.5 kg * speed of linear momentum for the wheel moving forward,
and the same amount for its additional rotational inertia.
I think he could have got the same result by using a regular
wheel but putting a 5kg lead weight under the seat.

Merckx used as light a bike as possible for his attempt.
He could have put weights on the wheel if he wanted, so it's
legitimate Merckx-era technology.

Yeah, while we're at it, let's take away the gears, because they
didn't use to have those either. Jeesh that's stupid. Technology
advances, why leave cycling in the dark? If you had to ride the same
bike, wheels, and other such items what happens when you crash? Are
you just out because you can't fix your wheels or replace a set of
broken bars? Sure let's take the sport way back and make it completely
stupid.

If you pedal a bike in a race, that's cycling. Doesn't matter if you
change it or not, because we are still impressed by the performances
and sometimes by the equipment. But as people are always saying, it's
the engine anyway, and NOT the bike.

Tom

On 19-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, "Tom" <[email hidden]>
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

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If you had to ride the same
bike, wheels, and other such items what happens when you crash? Are
you just out because you can't fix your wheels or replace a set of
broken bars? Sure let's take the sport way back and make it completely
stupid.

Not the same particular wheel, frame, bars etc. but the same in the sense of
the same product. And, I might add...Duh!

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If you pedal a bike in a race, that's cycling. Doesn't matter if you
change it or not, because we are still impressed by the performances
and sometimes by the equipment. But as people are always saying, it's
the engine anyway, and NOT the bike.

Exactly. There are plenty of restictions on equipment that are obvious..like
no motors, no sails, no farings, no energy storage devices, etc.. For
example, in the TT you dont see the enclosed recumbants used to set man
powered speed records...you pedal and it's a bike, but it's illegal
technology. So the concept of limiting technology is nothing new and
nothing controvercial. The question and controversy is in the nature of
those limits.

steve
--
"Local firemen improvised."
Benny Hill

steve said:

So the concept of limiting technology is nothing new and
nothing controvercial. The question and controversy is in the nature of
those limits.

This is true. The same arguments were made regarding the derailleur,
which was prohibited in racing for a number of years.

Maybe we should go back to flip-flop hubs.

Bob Schwartz
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On 19-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

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So the concept of limiting technology is nothing new and
nothing controvercial. The question and controversy is in the nature of
those limits.

This is true. The same arguments were made regarding the derailleur,
which was prohibited in racing for a number of years.

Maybe we should go back to flip-flop hubs.

One could advocate that type of restriction..and maybe you'd get some
racers/spectators who would enjoy a single gear bike race...maybe. But I
think we can tolerate derailleurs...I could argue that they make bikes more
practical or something, but when you come down to it it's really just
personal preference. To make a logical argument one would first have to
suggest a cycling philosophy or guiding principles.

Personally I just never saw any compelling reason behind allowing special
bikes/h-bars for TT. And it was clearly a new technology with significant
impact. The superman position (which was the straw that broke the UCI
camels back) seemed to me to be a bit of an absurdity because one simply
couldn't control a bike in any circumstance more difficult than an empty
velodrome. That suggests one simple principle...sufficient maneuverability.
Mass start safety is another one...that's the reason TT bars arent allowed
in RR. If we add in "one bike, all stages" to the tours, the TT bars/bikes
go by the wayside. I find these principles (maneuverability, mass start
safety, and one bike setup) intuitively appealing, and the result doesn't
harm racing in any way. And it would certainly lower the cost for amateurs
and make the sport less elite and more democratic. Those are positive
results.

steve
--
"Local firemen improvised."
Benny Hill

"I'll register disagreement on that one. Let the hour record be the
test of
the rider himself."

Since that is your criteria, then Merckx's record should be disallowed
because he did not use a "standard" high-wheeler bicycle (the kind of
bike being used back when the record was first established). It should
be about the rider, not the bike.

On 19-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, "kaiser" <[email hidden]>
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

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"I'll register disagreement on that one. Let the hour record be the
test of
the rider himself."

Since that is your criteria, then Merckx's record should be disallowed
because he did not use a "standard" high-wheeler bicycle (the kind of
bike being used back when the record was first established). It should
be about the rider, not the bike.

PLease see my response to Bob Schwartz.

steve

--
"Local firemen improvised."
Benny Hill