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  1. Watching the ABC news.

    Just saw the horrifying new ad for the TAC, shows a young cyclist being
    hit head on at high speed. This ad is extremely emotionally confronting.
    Not entirely convinced by this style of campaign.

    New TAC campaign warns that speed is no accident
    <http://tinyurl.com/3y3q2>

    TAC Minister Rob Hulls today launched a graphic new road safety campaign
    reinforcing the message that drivers who speed are responsible for the
    injuries they cause to others.

    Mr Hulls said the campaign, specifically targeting low-level speeding,
    served as a timely reminder as the State's road toll continued to climb.

    --

  2. cfsmtb said:

    Watching the ABC news.
    Just saw the horrifying new ad for the TAC, shows a young cyclist being
    hit head on at high speed. This ad is extremely emotionally confronting.
    Not entirely convinced by this style of campaign.

    It was a horrible ad, wasn't it? It had the whole family cringing and
    wincing over their noodles. But wasn't the cyclist the one
    responsible for the crash? The way I saw the ad was that the cyclist
    was riding across a road, not at a crossing, and the car hit her from
    the side. Now surely in legal terms the driver is not responsible?
    Whether the car was going too fast or not, wouldn't it always have
    been the fault of the person who stepped in front, rode in front, ran
    in front, drove in front?

    Please don't think for a moment I'm suggesting that anyone who gets hit
    by a car when it's their fault deserves to die, or anything like that.
    I'm just a little confused about the scenario used by the TAC...

    --

  3. Etxy said:
    cfsmtb said:

    Watching the ABC news.
    Just saw the horrifying new ad for the TAC, shows a young cyclist being
    hit head on at high speed. This ad is extremely emotionally confronting.
    Not entirely convinced by this style of campaign.

    It was a horrible ad, wasn't it? It had the whole family cringing and
    wincing over their noodles. But wasn't the cyclist the one
    responsible for the crash? The way I saw the ad was that the cyclist
    was riding across a road, not at a crossing, and the car hit her from
    the side. Now surely in legal terms the driver is not responsible?
    Whether the car was going too fast or not, wouldn't it always have
    been the fault of the person who stepped in front, rode in front, ran
    in front, drove in front?

    If you hit something, you're responsible.

    If you're driving down the road, under the speed limit, and someone
    shoots out of a side road right into your path and you hit them,
    you're responsible. They contributed, but you should have been paying
    attention. Oh yeah. And keeping under the speed limit does NOT mean
    that you are driving safely.

    --
    Regards.
    Richard.

  4. Richard Sherratt said:

    If you hit something, you're responsible.

    If you're driving down the road, under the speed limit, and someone
    shoots out of a side road right into your path and you hit them,
    you're responsible. They contributed, but you should have been paying
    attention. Oh yeah. And keeping under the speed limit does NOT mean
    that you are driving safely.

    Yeah right. If you're going through a light intersection, and someone else
    pulls out from the red-lit cross street, and you hit them, you're responsible.

    So everyone slows down to the point that anyone breaking the law doesn't
    endanger themselves simply because no-one else is going fast enough to kill them.

    Instead of stopping people from making stupid manouvers in the first place,
    they're penalising everyone else for hitting them.

    I was right all along. Victora is breeding bad drivers. And the more they
    slow everyone down, the worse it's going to get.
    --
    Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>

  5. So if someone is suicidal and jumps in front of a bus, the driver gets
    sent to jail?

    --

  6. John Tserkezis said:
    Richard Sherratt said:

    If you hit something, you're responsible.

    If you're driving down the road, under the speed limit, and someone
    shoots out of a side road right into your path and you hit them,
    you're responsible. They contributed, but you should have been paying
    attention. Oh yeah. And keeping under the speed limit does NOT mean
    that you are driving safely.

    Yeah right. If you're going through a light intersection, and someone else
    pulls out from the red-lit cross street, and you hit them, you're responsible.

    Yes. You ARE responsible - not 100%, but you share some of that
    responsibility. Having an intersection controlled by traffic lights does
    not relieve you of the responsibility to ensure that the intersection is
    safe to enter.

    ---
    Cheers

    PeterC

    [Rushing headlong: out of control - and there ain't no stopping]
    [and there's nothing you can do about it at all]

  7. On Thu, 20 May 2004 11:57:02 GMT, Etxy <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    So if someone is suicidal and jumps in front of a bus, the driver gets
    sent to jail?

    Why must everything be so black and white. Just because you share the
    responsibility (and not always evenly) does not mean that you get
    punished to the full extent of the law.

    ---
    Cheers

    PeterC

    [Rushing headlong: out of control - and there ain't no stopping]
    [and there's nothing you can do about it at all]

  8. cfsmtb said:

    Watching the ABC news.
    Just saw the horrifying new ad for the TAC, shows a young cyclist being
    hit head on at high speed. This ad is extremely emotionally confronting.
    Not entirely convinced by this style of campaign.
    New TAC campaign warns that speed is no accident
    <http://tinyurl.com/3y3q2>
    TAC Minister Rob Hulls today launched a graphic new road safety campaign
    reinforcing the message that drivers who speed are responsible for the
    injuries they cause to others.
    Mr Hulls said the campaign, specifically targeting low-level speeding,
    served as a timely reminder as the State's road toll continued to climb.

    Yet another factor to fill our society with fear of ANYTHING and
    everything! Can see all those mums+dad's telling Johnny/Jane/Pham not to
    ride to school anymore 'because its dangerous'.

    Just to throw a tidbit re who's fault it is if someone pulls out, if you
    are invoolved in a collision and it is deemed reasonable that you were
    not able/not enough time to react despite identifying the likelihood of
    said collision, you are NOT at fault (jumping in front of Bus scenario,
    pulling out of sidestreet inside 10 metres of oncoming traffic, etc).
    That's the word from 'Blue' mate i just got off the phone with
    (incidentally, he's a motorbike cop who pushes traffic light buttons
    along Beach Rd - Hitchy?)

    --

  9. Etxy said:


    So if someone is suicidal and jumps in front of a bus, the driver gets
    sent to jail?

    --

    The bus driver sues the family for the trauma he/she experiences, loss
    of sleep at night, etc.

    T

  10. Tamyka Bell said:
    Etxy said:


    So if someone is suicidal and jumps in front of a bus, the driver gets
    sent to jail?

    --


    The bus driver sues the family for the trauma he/she experiences, loss
    of sleep at night, etc.
    T

    Most public transport Co's now have on-staff or consulting psychiatric
    road-trauma specialists to help train/bus drivers. Met a bloke in
    Adelaide who did this for 20 yrs in England. gawd, what a job! Sad
    reflection of the world we live in...

    --

  11. cfsmtb said:

    Watching the ABC news.

    Just saw the horrifying new ad for the TAC, shows a young cyclist being
    hit head on at high speed. This ad is extremely emotionally confronting.
    Not entirely convinced by this style of campaign.

    Those who remember the "grim reaper" adverts (AIDS) might be a bit
    cynical. Terrified lots of people for no good reason.
    Just a big [censored] by the advertising types.

    The figures quoted on the webpage are very contrived:

    " a car travelling at 60km/h will take approximately 45 metres to stop
    in an emergency braking situation while a car braking at 65km/h will
    still be travelling at 32 km/h after 45 metres. "

    Lies and statistics. The 60km/hr car will be doing just as fast only a
    few metres earlier. And those numbers sound like an elderly person
    driving a top-heavy van in the rain.

  12. flyingdutch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Just to throw a tidbit re who's fault it is if someone pulls out, if you
    are invoolved in a collision and it is deemed reasonable that you were
    not able/not enough time to react despite identifying the likelihood of
    said collision, you are NOT at fault (jumping in front of Bus scenario,
    pulling out of sidestreet inside 10 metres of oncoming traffic, etc).
    That's the word from 'Blue' mate i just got off the phone with
    (incidentally, he's a motorbike cop who pushes traffic light buttons
    along Beach Rd - Hitchy?)

    I'll second that... In another life I was doing research on behalf of
    an insurance company, examining car accident claims.

    As far as insurance goes, if you break the law and the other person
    doesn't, you're almost surely liable (not always, but mostly).

    If you both break the law, (such as fail to give way and the other
    person speeding), the responsibility is more likely to be shared. The
    magistrate ultimately allocates proportions of the damages to the
    parties, depending on the share of responsibility. There is no
    black-letter law (so to speak) on allocating the shares of
    responsibility, but there are generally very strong precedents. In the
    example, the share of blame starts off with the person that failed
    right of way and is then shifted to the speeder, depending on how fast
    they were going.

    Ritch.

  13. I would agree with flyingdutch in that this ad is sending out the wrong
    message. I guess all the bike shops can start packing away their kids
    bikes now.

    I would say that if the TAC was really worried about young cyclists
    being hit they should initiate bike safety programs in primary schools.
    It would be great for the students and could even be part of P.E.

    I have a cousin who is a primary school teacher in country VIC who had
    made such a program for her kids. She painted lines for children to ride
    over in a bike skill test and had organised an annual day ride with
    them, which they loved!

    Schools spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment, why can't they
    buy at least 20 or so single speed kids bikes and helmets?

    Maybe parents would rather see racing driver Mark Skaife in the
    classroom?

    --

  14. Mike said:

    The figures quoted on the webpage are very contrived:
    " a car travelling at 60km/h will take approximately 45 metres to stop
    in an emergency braking situation while a car braking at 65km/h will
    still be travelling at 32 km/h after 45 metres. "
    Lies and statistics. The 60km/hr car will be doing just as fast only a
    few metres earlier. And those numbers sound like an elderly person
    driving a top-heavy van in the rain.

    Yep. It always amazes me that every car manufacturer and tester can
    pull up their vehicles from 100km/h in under 40m (good cars well under
    35), but that the TAC can only do it in 45m from 65km/h. Even if it
    takes a full second to react, that's only 18m. Another 27m should be
    more than enough to stop from 65km/h, and reaction time should be more
    like 0.2-0.4s. Perhaps these are not the people to be teaching us about
    road safety...

    --

  15. "Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Those who remember the "grim reaper" adverts (AIDS) might be a bit
    cynical. Terrified lots of people for no good reason.
    Just a big [censored] by the advertising types.

    The Grim Reaper ads were spot on. The message was there was a horrifying
    new disease out there and nobody was immune. It was hailed all over the
    world as a benchmark in how governments needed to respond to the crisis,
    that part obviously being getting the message out. We were fortunate that
    the Australian government took the AIDs threat seriously and responded
    quickly and appropriately, unlike many other countries.

    --

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  16. Roadie_scum <[email hidden]> writes:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    reaction time should be more
    like 0.2-0.4s. Perhaps these are not the people to be teaching us about
    road safety...

    Reaction time is around about 0.5s, infact we don't become
    continiously aware of anything untill 0.5s after it happens.

    --
    Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
    http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
    Free the Memes.

  17. Was almost an unwilling particiapnt in a new TAC Ad last night!

    Heading east across Burke Rd, going along Doncaster Rd as lights turned
    Green. 4WD (what else?) driven by mum with toddler in backseat ran the
    lights and collected a young guy making a righthand turn.

    The lights were so red me and another guy on a bike and the car to our
    right were already moving. Luckily for the young dude, he braked
    slightly otherwise she would have got him dar worse. The difference in
    damage to his Merc/SangYong and his Conformadore was amazing!

    Helped him out of the car. petrol going everywhere, i had images of
    hollywood movies in my head. Those damn airbags STINK!!! Is that
    propellant or something??? Couldnt breathe in the car. He was not
    scratched but badly shaken up and complaining of a sore neck and back
    which didnt bode well! Stuck about for about 15min. Ambulance and Police
    were there very quickly and some guy even had a broom in his car
    cleaning up the debris (where is he on my commute?) Hope he's OK. Nice
    welcome to the roads for a P-plater...

    --

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