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  1. http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=chris_horner_dec05

    Horner doesn't regret his decision to give up a second placing on the
    stage. "A lot of people ask me whether I'd have done it any other way,
    and I say 'No way' - I did it correct and I did 100 per cent everything
    I could do to have *won* the stage, and unfortunately it didn't go that
    way. I knew I had to have him lead it out. I knew if he led it out, and
    didn't slow down, I was going to *win* - but I knew that if we slowed
    down, played cat and mouse, we'd get pulled in. He slowed down, and it
    cost us both a shot at the *win*. I personally couldn't have done
    anything different - not if I'm racing for the *win*; if I had wanted a
    guaranteed second place I could've done it."

    Horner is philosophical about the result of stage 13, and realises it's
    just part of racing. "We played cat and mouse and then they caught us,
    so it was nobody's fault but our own. *I WASN'T RACING FOR SECOND*, and
    evidently Chavanel wasn't either," he says. "There's absolutely no
    reason, at that point, with that much work, to waste a shot at
    *winning* a stage just so I could get second. You know, they don't even
    put you on the podium for second - at the Tour, the podium's *one*
    spot." Horner says he felt good by the third week of the Tour, although
    a stomach complaint held him back while trying to ride with Cadel Evans
    on stage 16. "The day that Cadel Evans went up the road and stayed off
    the front to gain some time and move into the top ten - that stage was
    perfect for me to *win*, but I couldn't eat that day and so going over
    the first mountain I had a problem because I didn't eat. If you're
    going over a 25 kilometre climb and you haven't eaten anything, by the
    time you get down to the bottom and you go across the valley before the
    next climb..."

    It was disappointing but encouraging for Horner, as he now knew he was
    capable of mixing it with the Tour's best. "I started the day with
    plenty of form, because I went across to the break, and they had about
    13 or 15 guys with a solid 20 or 25 seconds - I got across there and I
    had plenty of form, but I just couldn't use it. That was a stage I
    really thought was the best opportunity to get a *win*." The confidence
    he gained from the experience is clear, and he's happy with his
    performance during July in France, despite not taking a stage win. "The
    Tour in general I was happy with - I had a lot of personal best time,
    and basically everything went well - I also got as much TV time as
    possible for my sponsors without actually *winning*."

  2. Do you believe that "winning" second place (sometimes called the first
    loser) is something for Horner to strive for?

    Horner is a stupendous racer and if he wants first or forget it then
    others will have to decide if they want to try to beat him, settle for
    second or end up WAY BACK.

    I think that Chris did exactly the right thing.

  3. Tom Kunich said:

    Do you believe that "winning" second place (sometimes called the first
    loser) is something for Horner to strive for?

    Horner is a stupendous racer and if he wants first or forget it then
    others will have to decide if they want to try to beat him, settle for
    second or end up WAY BACK.

    I think that Chris did exactly the right thing.

    That is and was my point.

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/b3423b7b7cc2af6f/4aff94b28dd0c3c0?q=horner+gravity&rnum=4#4aff94b28dd0c3c0

    I like to hear him say it. He said "win" "won" "winning" about 12
    times in the whole CN article.

  4. I guess Horner will be yet another American rider the French will hate for
    having a winning attitude. What Chris probably failed to realize was that
    Chavanel was slowing down because he WANTED second place to endear himself
    to the French populace.

    If Chavanel had gotten second on that stage, then turned up positive for
    doping, he'd be a national hero. ;-)

    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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    Tom Kunich said:

    Do you believe that "winning" second place (sometimes called the first
    loser) is something for Horner to strive for?

    Horner is a stupendous racer and if he wants first or forget it then
    others will have to decide if they want to try to beat him, settle for
    second or end up WAY BACK.

    I think that Chris did exactly the right thing.

    That is and was my point.

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/b3423b7b7cc2af6f/4aff94b28dd0c3c0?q=horner+gravity&rnum=4#4aff94b28dd0c3c0

    I like to hear him say it. He said "win" "won" "winning" about 12
    times in the whole CN article.

  5. All of that is silly. He could have done a few pulls, and enticed
    Chavanel to do more. But to just sit on the wheel, I would of done the same
    thing as Chavanel did.

  6. Claudius Vitalis said:

    All of that is silly. He could have done a few pulls, and enticed
    Chavanel to do more. But to just sit on the wheel, I would of done the same
    thing as Chavanel did.

    Horner had been in the break all day, and Chavanel came up front when?
    Then he attacked Horner repeatedly. When did Horner quit working, at
    900 meters?

    I don't know, but I was a lot more impressed with Horner's ride. Where
    did Chavanel finish for the stage, anyway?

  7. He should get with the program and wear gloves. Who does he think he
    is, Sean Kelly?

    JT

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  8. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    gym.gravity said:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=chris_horner_dec05

    [...]

    When I saw that stage I felt that Horner did the right
    thing. Now I am sure that he did the right thing. He will
    cover himself with glory. Mark my words.

    --
    Michael Press

  9. Quoted message said:


    What is your beef with Horner? Really. I'm not trying to antagonize you.


    Hillbilly leaves America, travels across the Atlantic, so he can show
    those Euros how it's done. I was hoping he would succeed. But what
    happens?? The hillbilly gets a grade A spanking from these pompous Euros.
    Then he runs home. Not much to be proud of here.

  10. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hillbilly leaves America, travels across the Atlantic, so he can


    show

    Quoted message said:

    those Euros how it's done. I was hoping he would succeed. But what
    happens?? The hillbilly gets a grade A spanking from these pompous Euros.
    Then he runs home. Not much to be proud of here.

    Then he goes back to Europe, and wins a stage in the Tour de Suisse, has
    good showings in a couple of classics, and does well in the Tour. The fact
    that an American is Europe doing more than racing parking lot crits is
    impressive to me.

  11. On 12/21/2005 06:13 AM, in article
    [email hidden], "Callistus Valerius"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What is your beef with Horner? Really. I'm not trying to antagonize you.


    Hillbilly leaves America, travels across the Atlantic, so he can show
    those Euros how it's done. I was hoping he would succeed. But what
    happens?? The hillbilly gets a grade A spanking from these pompous Euros.
    Then he runs home. Not much to be proud of here.

    3 years he spent over there, which is more than most people ... And he did
    well enough to get at least one contract renewal, because his initial
    contract with La Francaise des Jeux was certainly not for 3 years.

    And he seems to have done well enough this year to get a ride in the Tour de
    France (which again, most do not), but get a top-10 stage finish, coupled
    with his stage win in the Tour of Switzerland, both AFTER breaking his hip
    (?) in the spring.

    AND not only is he staying in Europe for 2006, but he moves up from Saunier
    Duval to Davitamon-Lotto ... yeah, I know they're both ProTour teams ... but
    it's still a step up the ladder.

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    Steven L. Sheffield
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  12. Philip W. Moore said:

    What is your beef with Horner? Really. I'm not trying to antagonize you.

    Could it be that he's still sore about what Horner said about him after
    the olympic trials race?

    Maybe he's jealous that Horner gets a card to play in big races, while
    he has to tote bottles.

  13. "gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Philip W. Moore said:

    What is your beef with Horner? Really. I'm not trying to antagonize


    you.

    Quoted message said:


    Could it be that he's still sore about what Horner said about him after
    the olympic trials race?

    Maybe he's jealous that Horner gets a card to play in big races, while
    he has to tote bottles.

    I still don't know who Crit Pro is...Tyler Farrar?

  14. Philip W. Moore said:

    What is your beef with Horner? Really. I'm not trying to antagonize you.

    Go ahead and antagonize him. Don't feel guilty about it.
    It's not about Horner.

    Bob Schwartz

  15. Philip W. Moore said:


    I still don't know who Crit Pro is...Tyler Farrar?

    Dumbass -

    Tyler Farrar is busy tapping Heather Halvorson.

    thanks,

    K. Gringioni.

  16. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    Dumbass -

    Tyler Farrar is busy tapping Heather Halvorson.

    don't be silly!

    tyler rides me like he's just heard the bell for a prime lap, and we all
    know the boy can sprint. so tapping me doesn't really take up too much
    of his time (dumbass).

    heather

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steven L. Sheffield said:

    3 years he spent over there, which is more than most people ... And he did
    well enough to get at least one contract renewal, because his initial
    contract with La Francaise des Jeux was certainly not for 3 years.

    I read after he left that he really didn't get very much support from the
    team while he was there.

    Quoted message said:

    And he seems to have done well enough this year to get a ride in the Tour de
    France (which again, most do not), but get a top-10 stage finish, coupled
    with his stage win in the Tour of Switzerland, both AFTER breaking his hip
    (?) in the spring.

    Horner had a pretty good year in '05, I'd say. Part of it seems to be that he
    was better able to deal with the day to day living aspects this time around.
    Saunier Duval did seem to do a much better job at supporting him than FdJ.

    Quoted message said:

    AND not only is he staying in Europe for 2006, but he moves up from Saunier
    Duval to Davitamon-Lotto ... yeah, I know they're both ProTour teams ... but
    it's still a step up the ladder.

    Looks like a fairly significant step to me.

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    Howard

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  18. It's worth noting that one of the Prodir managers, Mauro Gianetti, was
    a top rider at FdJ, I think when Horner was there.

    JT

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  19. Just becoming one of the boys Heather?

  20. On 22 Dec 2005 07:01:45 -0800, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Just becoming one of the boys Heather?

    What are you trying to say about Tyler? Just trying to follow the
    logic from three posts back. Have the boys been doing something worth
    gossiping about?

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

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