Hoist V3 opinions?

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I am considering purchasing a Hoist V3 home gym, and would appreciate
if you could share your experiences, opinions and/or recommendations
about it please.

I was really impressed with the range of motions that the Hoist V3 bars
allow. I have never seen a setup like it before, but I am not an
expert in this field either.

Any information you can provide about the good fetures and shortcomings
of Hoist V3 would be really appreciated.

Thank you.

I can point out a couple of errors in your request.

Nobody on planet earth knows or cares about this boat trailer winch.

If you want us to respond to a particular model of something, please give
some kind of URL or picture or something. Because nobody knows or cares
about another piece of [censored], so called "home gym".

And generally speaking, if the term "home gym" is used, it is a piece of
[censored].

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I am considering purchasing a Hoist V3 home gym,

Can you provide a link?

Why do you want to purchase it? What hope or expectation do you have
for it? What are your training goals, and what is your situation now?

Quoted message said:

and would appreciate
if you could share your experiences, opinions and/or recommendations
about it please.

I was really impressed with the range of motions that the Hoist V3 bars
allow. I have never seen a setup like it before, but I am not an
expert in this field either.

Any information you can provide about the good fetures and shortcomings
of Hoist V3 would be really appreciated.

You don't know us very well, do you? We'll answer your REAL question,
if it happens to be "how can I fruitfully move my body."

What IS your real question?

Dally

Lee Michaels said:

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I am considering purchasing a Hoist V3 home gym, and would appreciate
if you could share your experiences, opinions and/or recommendations
about it please.

I was really impressed with the range of motions that the Hoist V3 bars
allow. I have never seen a setup like it before, but I am not an
expert in this field either.

Any information you can provide about the good fetures and shortcomings
of Hoist V3 would be really appreciated.

Thank you.

I can point out a couple of errors in your request.

Nobody on planet earth knows or cares about this boat trailer winch.

If you want us to respond to a particular model of something, please give
some kind of URL or picture or something. Because nobody knows or cares
about another piece of [censored], so called "home gym".

And generally speaking, if the term "home gym" is used, it is a piece of
[censored].

Here's a copy of the owner's manual:

http://www.hoistfitness.com/_manuals/v_3_om.pdf

It's a cable machine. More freedom in grip movement, but still
nothing like the ergonomics of free weights. Prices run from $1,600
to $1700 in the US and around £1200 in the UK. You could buy a nice
power rack and bench, plus a 300-pound Olympic barbell set and
dumbbell handles for that much, maybe less.

Dally said:

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I am considering purchasing a Hoist V3 home gym,

Can you provide a link?

Why do you want to purchase it? What hope or expectation do you have
for it? What are your training goals, and what is your situation now?

Quoted message said:

and would appreciate
if you could share your experiences, opinions and/or recommendations
about it please.

I was really impressed with the range of motions that the Hoist V3 bars
allow. I have never seen a setup like it before, but I am not an
expert in this field either.

Any information you can provide about the good fetures and shortcomings
of Hoist V3 would be really appreciated.

You don't know us very well, do you? We'll answer your REAL question,
if it happens to be "how can I fruitfully move my body."

What IS your real question?

Too often, the real question is, "This machine looks and sounds really
cool, and I've pretty much decided that I want it, but I don't want to
look like a total putz, so will someone -- anyone -- tell me that it's
OK?"

I could be wrong about this guy, but most seem to be looking for just
one affirmation amongst the criticisms, and some newbie will
inevitably jump up and give them one.

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I am considering purchasing a Hoist V3 home gym, and would appreciate
if you could share your experiences, opinions and/or recommendations
about it please.

I was really impressed with the range of motions that the Hoist V3 bars
allow. I have never seen a setup like it before, but I am not an
expert in this field either.

Any information you can provide about the good fetures and shortcomings
of Hoist V3 would be really appreciated.

Thank you.

If you remove the weight stack it should be easy enough to hoist it into the
dumpster after you're tired of using it as a towel rack. Either that or you
can sell it for fifty dollars on craigslist or ebay.

JMW said:

Dally said:

What IS your real question?

Too often, the real question is, "This machine looks and sounds really
cool, and I've pretty much decided that I want it, but I don't want to
look like a total putz, so will someone -- anyone -- tell me that it's
OK?"

As sculpture? A clothes rack? As part of the routine for someone who's
an olympic hopeful in rowing?

Quoted message said:

I could be wrong about this guy, but most seem to be looking for just
one affirmation amongst the criticisms, and some newbie will
inevitably jump up and give them one.

Sometimes it's just clever spamming. I recall seeing sock puppets come
back with links and glowing praise in the past.

Dally

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Lee Michaels said:

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I am considering purchasing a Hoist V3 home gym, and would appreciate
if you could share your experiences, opinions and/or recommendations
about it please.

I was really impressed with the range of motions that the Hoist V3 bars
allow. I have never seen a setup like it before, but I am not an
expert in this field either.

Any information you can provide about the good fetures and shortcomings
of Hoist V3 would be really appreciated.

Thank you.

I can point out a couple of errors in your request.

Nobody on planet earth knows or cares about this boat trailer winch.

If you want us to respond to a particular model of something, please give
some kind of URL or picture or something. Because nobody knows or cares
about another piece of [censored], so called "home gym".

And generally speaking, if the term "home gym" is used, it is a piece of
[censored].

Here's a copy of the owner's manual:

http://www.hoistfitness.com/_manuals/v_3_om.pdf

It's a cable machine. More freedom in grip movement, but still
nothing like the ergonomics of free weights. Prices run from $1,600
to $1700 in the US and around £1200 in the UK. You could buy a nice
power rack and bench, plus a 300-pound Olympic barbell set and
dumbbell handles for that much, maybe less.

A 70 page manual for this pile of useless junk??

They probably put more money and engineering into the manual than they did
this so called home gym.

This is a lot of money for very little utility or benefits.

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

JMW said:

Dally said:

What IS your real question?

Too often, the real question is, "This machine looks and sounds really
cool, and I've pretty much decided that I want it, but I don't want to
look like a total putz, so will someone -- anyone -- tell me that it's
OK?"

As sculpture?

There ya go Dally.

Just think of it as modern, fat butt art.

A high tech offering to the procrastination gods.

It looks purty and talks to our inner ambitions and outer laziness. A
contemporary quest to replace effective work and exercise with meaningless
machine movements. In a world where perception is more important than
reality, who needs to exercise (or get results). We will just buy a machine
and pretend!

Thank you for all for your feedback. As you have gathered, I am not an
expert in this field. Yes, Hoist V3 did seem quite impressive in its
range of exercises, but I certainly was not planning on dumping money
into something without consulting experts, and I knew I would find the
experts here.

My training goals, as best as I can describe them (I bike about 10 KM
per day already):
- body toning and building strength
- achieve the above by exercisig one hour (or hour and half) 3-4 times
a week

I was consdering a home gym because of the range of exercises available
in one compact package. The link to it (if anyone is still
interested):
http://www.hoistfitness.com/products/consumer/equipment.aspx?c=1&sc=1&pid=7

And, no I was not looking for one affirmation but solid recommendations
if someone can provide any. I am not at a level as most of you who
have responded and will not know how to work with free weights. But if
that is the only way to do this, then I will certainly consider that
option as well.

Questions:
-- What would be the best stregth building equipment given the above
goals?
-- Hoist V3 appears to be out. Any other recommendations?
-- Are home gyms completely useless given the above goals and my level
of expertise?

I do appreciate all the feedback. Thank you.

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Quoted message said:

Thank you for all for your feedback. As you have gathered, I am not
an
expert in this field. Yes, Hoist V3 did seem quite impressive in its
range of exercises, but I certainly was not planning on dumping money
into something without consulting experts, and I knew I would find the
experts here.

My training goals, as best as I can describe them (I bike about 10 KM
per day already):
- body toning and building strength
- achieve the above by exercisig one hour (or hour and half) 3-4 times
a week

I was consdering a home gym because of the range of exercises
available
in one compact package. The link to it (if anyone is still
interested):
http://www.hoistfitness.com/products/consumer/equipment.aspx?c=1&sc=1&pid=7

And, no I was not looking for one affirmation but solid
recommendations
if someone can provide any. I am not at a level as most of you who
have responded and will not know how to work with free weights. But
if
that is the only way to do this, then I will certainly consider that
option as well.

Questions:
-- What would be the best stregth building equipment given the above
goals?
-- Hoist V3 appears to be out. Any other recommendations?
-- Are home gyms completely useless given the above goals and my level
of expertise?

I do appreciate all the feedback. Thank you.

Your best bet might be to join a gym for a couple of months to try out
the various alternatives and learn something before working out by
yourself. Certainly, if you know how to use them, a power rack and an
Olympic weight set is the most effective way to spend your money.
Kettlebells also make fine home exercise weights and good instruction
materials are available for them. Same for dumbbells. My first home
gym was a 4'x6' rubber mat, a 300 lb. Olympic weight set, and a copy of
Pavel's book "Power To The People!" which contains instructions for the
deadlift and sidepress, both of which require only the weights and the
mat and nothing more, see http://www.kbnj.com/ptp.htm for more on this
book. Oh, and a chinup bar, too.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

And, no I was not looking for one affirmation but solid recommendations
if someone can provide any. I am not at a level as most of you who
have responded and will not know how to work with free weights. But if
that is the only way to do this, then I will certainly consider that
option as well.

Questions:
-- What would be the best stregth building equipment given the above
goals?

Free weights. Anyone can learn how to use them - even you!

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3

http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Quoted message said:

Thank you for all for your feedback. As you have gathered, I am not an
expert in this field. Yes, Hoist V3 did seem quite impressive in its
range of exercises, but I certainly was not planning on dumping money
into something without consulting experts, and I knew I would find the
experts here.

Specifically the exercise that is useful about it, in my opinion, would
be the lat pulldowns. You can work that same muscle group with dumbbell
rows or pull-ups so I have managed without it, but that's what I like
about a weight-stack. I usually work out at the gym and I'd say about
10% of my exercises use a weight stack like that.

For that reason, I'd lump this equipment in the category of stuff I'd
buy if I had unlimited room and unlimited money and it was the fourth or
fifth big piece of equipment I got.

Quoted message said:

My training goals, as best as I can describe them (I bike about 10 KM
per day already):
- body toning and building strength
- achieve the above by exercisig one hour (or hour and half) 3-4 times
a week

I honestly think the best thing you could do would be to read a book.
Maybe a lot of books. An accessible book for people in your position
would be Body for Life by Bill Phillips. A great website would be

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/index.php

If you happen to be male don't worry about the fact that the website is
geared towards women. Skip articles on menstruation and pregnancy and
everything else will apply equally to you. It's the closest thing we've
got to a FAQ. Well, besides our FAQ. FAQs. Okay, we've got lots of
FAQs. But Krista is good, believe me!

Quoted message said:

I was consdering a home gym because of the range of exercises available
in one compact package.

This is why I'm recommending a book. Unless you're chained and shackled
to a wall, you can get a range of exercises with just your body alone.
It's a matter of just doing it.

A huge, expensive piece of equipment is useful if you're already using
such a thing on a daily basis at the gym and want to be able to do the
same things from home. Is this your case? If it's just to get into
shape a better idea is to start by getting a weight bench, a dumbbell
stand, and a bunch of dumbbells. Plan to do some squats, some
deadlifts, and some dumbbell upper body workouts. If you're really into
it and want to push some real weight get a power cage and an olympic
bar and some weight plates and use the power cage to spot you on squats
and bench presses.

No one here likes leg extensions for quads. They package up well in
these sort of machines, but they aren't good for your knees. Machine
work in general constrains your plane of motion. Other people can
discuss this better.

Quoted message said:

And, no I was not looking for one affirmation but solid recommendations
if someone can provide any. I am not at a level as most of you who
have responded and will not know how to work with free weights. But if
that is the only way to do this, then I will certainly consider that
option as well.

I think understanding how your muscles work (and how to work those
muscles) is required reading for owners of human bodies. Any
weightlifting book in the library will help, or try the website
www.ExRx.net

Quoted message said:

Questions:
-- What would be the best strength building equipment given the above
goals?

The one that you'll really do. What are your sports? What is your
physical status? Do you work full-time someplace? Are you social or
introverted? Single or the father of 12? What motivates you to focus
on body maintenance?

Quoted message said:

-- Hoist V3 appears to be out. Any other recommendations?
-- Are home gyms completely useless given the above goals and my level
of expertise?

Well, they're good for the economy. And when I decide to buy a weight
stack (I'd like to be able to do seated rows from home) I'll be hoping
someone is selling theirs cheap on Craigslist. :-)

Quoted message said:

I do appreciate all the feedback. Thank you.

Keep talking. We'll get you there.

Dally

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3

http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Heh. Same two sites I sent him to. You were just more specific about
which pages. Excellent use of URLs.

Dally

<[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was considering a home gym because of the range of exercises available
in one compact package.

Most of the movement performed on a
"swiss army knife" "home gym" are far inferior to ones performed on real
equipment. In terms of quality movements, weights, power rack and pulley
machine would out perform this pile of [censored] by at least ten to one in terms
of good exercises.

And for a lot less money too!

Dally said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3

http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Heh. Same two sites I sent him to. You were just more specific about
which pages. Excellent use of URLs.

We'd better be careful or people will start to think we're getting
along!

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote

Quoted message said:

Dally said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3

http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Heh. Same two sites I sent him to. You were just more specific about
which pages. Excellent use of URLs.

We'd better be careful or people will start to think we're getting
along!

Come on now! This is getting too surreal for me.

Somebody snarl, hiss or take a swipe at somebody. Or else I won't know
where I am.

<peering suspiciously out my window>

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Dally said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3

http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Heh. Same two sites I sent him to. You were just more specific about
which pages. Excellent use of URLs.

We'd better be careful or people will start to think we're getting
along!

Nah, you know the motto. We hate each other, but we hate you [the
top-posting Bowflex-using newbie] more.

Dally

Lee Michaels said:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote

Quoted message said:

Dally said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3
>
> http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Heh. Same two sites I sent him to. You were just more specific about
which pages. Excellent use of URLs.

We'd better be careful or people will start to think we're getting
along!

Come on now! This is getting too surreal for me.

Somebody snarl, hiss or take a swipe at somebody. Or else I won't know
where I am.

<peering suspiciously out my window>

Don't fret, Lee. I'm sure we'll be back to calling each other names in
no time at all.

Dally said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Dally said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

>http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=3
>
>http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Heh. Same two sites I sent him to. You were just more specific about
which pages. Excellent use of URLs.

We'd better be careful or people will start to think we're getting
along!

Nah, you know the motto. We hate each other, but we hate you [the
top-posting Bowflex-using newbie] more.

True, true.

Although, for the record, I really don't hate you. You bug the [censored] out
of me sometimes, but you're good people.