Hit gravel, broke leg

[Peter Clinch]

Zenin wrote:

> BTW, it's completely possible Peter kill filed you. But it's just as
> likely he kill filed this thread, not individual people. So "the real
> question" is why do you jump to the conclusion that it's all about you?

I've got anything Ed posts automatically marked as read, and I usually
only show unread posts, so Ed's are effectively killed. No problem,
since he rarely posts anything worth reading (though he does
occasionally, as I see from quoted replies from others). Since Ed posts
into so many threads it doesn't make much sense to kill anything he
posts into, or a.r.b.r would effectively disappear.

Compare and contrast with Mike Vandeman on other groups, where he only
posts on a single "topic" and none of it is worth reading, including
considered replies. In his case, any thread he posts to is marked as
read and I don't see it.

Those are the only two people I've got in a Bozo Bin, across a lot of
Usenet traffic. I don't generally favour kill files, but with such
actively moronic people to deal with as Ed and Mikey it makes sense to
have exceptions for them.

Horses for courses.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Zenin wrote:
>
>> BTW, it's completely possible Peter kill filed you. But it's just as
>> likely he kill filed this thread, not individual people. So "the real
>> question" is why do you jump to the conclusion that it's all about
>> you?
>
> I've got anything Ed posts automatically marked as read, and I usually
> only show unread posts, so Ed's are effectively killed. No problem, since
> he rarely posts anything worth reading (though he does occasionally, as I
> see from quoted replies from others). Since Ed posts into so many threads
> it doesn't make much sense to kill anything he posts into, or a.r.b.r
> would effectively disappear.
>
> Compare and contrast with Mike Vandeman on other groups, where he only
> posts on a single "topic" and none of it is worth reading, including
> considered replies. In his case, any thread he posts to is marked as read
> and I don't see it.
>
> Those are the only two people I've got in a Bozo Bin, across a lot of
> Usenet traffic. I don't generally favour kill files, but with such
> actively moronic people to deal with as Ed and Mikey it makes sense to
> have exceptions for them.

Peetah Clinch is a one note Johnny here on ARBR. All he knows how to do is
crow about how he has kill filed certain individuals. There may be some
other idiots who find that interesting, but all it really tells us is what
an idiot he is - and a coward to boot. He is the biggest cry baby since
Cletus Lee. It probably has something to do with him being a Medical Physics
IT Officer at the University of Dundee, Scotland.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:YrydnT8OGcSGKSrfRVn-

> Your posting style is unique. That right there ought to give you pause.

Well, um, ok. I wasn't going for unique. Just throwing in my hat like
everybody else.

> I like to say things forcefully so as to get the attention of the brain
> dead. I am in good company as all writers strive for a such a style.

No! Really! You? I hadn't noticed.

But seriously I have found that while it may get you read and responded to
it probably don't really get you considered. For example:

I am against our so called "War on Terror" but there are people who can make
intelligent arguements for it. Those people at least give you pause to
consider the issue. I don't think that you have persuaded anyone on that
issue, however, and it seems to be important to you.

I am very very very pro-gun control. I have a close friend who is anti-gun
control. He doesn't yell and scream about it but rather argues his case with
verifyable facts. I come away from a talk with him feeling like he's got the
fact on his side and not me. He is of a similar temperment to me, however,
and he is a great friend dispite the area where we don't agree. I doubt that
I've ever heard him yell outside of the dojo.

> I will never rest from my labors as long as you post the way you do.

So don't rest. I think the statement "I'll post any damn way I please was
pretty clear."

> Agreed, but you do not know what obnoxious posting is. You are a naif and
> do not know what a real troll is all about. Where were you when this
> group was being destroyed a few months ago by a criminal vandal troll.
> This was not fun and games. A real troll can easily destroy a newsgroup
> without half trying, especially when everyone on the group is either a
> coward or worse.
>

I've only seen references to this. Can some one tell me the story. Needless
to say I wasn't here then.

>
> The place for books will never again be what it was though due to the
> electronic media. Don't you think that was pretty much what I was saying
> in the first place? You see how we can find areas of agreement when you
> listen to the small quiet voice in the back of your mind.
>

No Ed that isn't what you said. It is rather what I said. You said things
like "Nobody reads novels anymore. Old people don't read novels. The novel
is dead. I stopped reading novels when I was 30. Gore Vidal says Novels are
dead. Novels are only for the young who are still romantic..."

Basically what you just did in the last paragraph you wrote is re-state what
I said not what you have said in the past. Check the file my boy. And don't
knock that small quiet voice. Everybody's got one. When you don't listen
he/she can sometimes grow bigger and louder.

>
> Newsgroups are all about playing games and having some fun. Very strange
> that a smart fellow like you do not realize this.
>

So play! Have fun! I get it. You are doing what you want to do and enjoying
the result. You are not bothered by the fact that there are some who find
what you do unpleasant. You know what? As long as you stick to being merely
unpleasant, I don't mind either. You are easily ignored if that is my wish.
I can play your game if that is my wish. Or, Finally I can play my own game
while you are playing your and it keeps things interesting

Do tell me more about the evil criminal troll, however, I have no idea what
that was about.

Thanks,
Jeff

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Jeff Grippe tells me that he is of Polish ancestry. Does Grippe sound
>> Polish to you?
>>
>
> Well this is where your various built in bias fail you Ed.
>
> Grippe is my step-father's name acquired by me when I was ten. I only use
> the word "step-father" to describe the relationship technically. He is my
> Dad. He is the best Dad I could ever hope for and I wear his name proudly
> and with love and fondness give it to my son as well. He does not,
> however, have a drop of Polish blood in him.
>
> My Mother's family, with whom I am very close, is from Poland. So
> regardless of what I call myself, I am Polish.

That is all very good, but we still don't know your Polish name. How can you
be Polish if you do not have a Polish name?

> You probably don't know about the Jewish Ferguson's do you?

If your REAL last name is Ferguson, then you are Jewish and not Polish at
all. Maybe that is why you find Polish jokes amusing?

I have known lots of Washington's, Jefferson's and Jackson's and they
certainly were not related to our early presidents and where they came
from - unless Africa can be considered part of merry old England.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed,
>
> Re:Quoting Techniquie
>
> Asked and answered. Sorry if you don't like it (but not sorry enough to do
> it the way you think is right.)
>
> Jeff

Congratulations! You have finally made no sense at all. I wonder who you
think you are writing for - or to? Whatever you do, do not ever send me an
email. My reserves of sanity are limited.

Zenin is the only one here who will understand what Jeff is blathering
about. He will research the thread in order to find out who said what when.
Only a mole will do this sort of thing however. The rest of us will leave
the two of them to themselves.

I am hoping that Zenin and Jeff will kill file me. It will be just another
honor for me and one that I deserve for having to put up with all this
nonsense about how they think it is proper to post anyway they want.
Following rules on how to post are for jerks according to them. All that
matters is CONTENT (what you say), not FORM (how you say it). Like it is
possible to separate one from the other!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:YrydnT8OGcSGKSrfRVn-
>
>> Your posting style is unique. That right there ought to give you pause.
>
> Well, um, ok. I wasn't going for unique. Just throwing in my hat like
> everybody else.

No one else posts like you do. You post like one would write an email.
Usenet is not email!

>> I like to say things forcefully so as to get the attention of the brain
>> dead. I am in good company as all writers strive for a such a style.
>
> No! Really! You? I hadn't noticed.
>
> But seriously I have found that while it may get you read and responded to
> it probably don't really get you considered. For example:
>
> I am against our so called "War on Terror" but there are people who can
> make intelligent arguements for it. Those people at least give you pause
> to consider the issue. I don't think that you have persuaded anyone on
> that issue, however, and it seems to be important to you.

But I am not interested in persuading anyone that the War On Terrorism is a
good idea. I am only interested in belittling the opposite view. I can
easily do that without much effort. I am of the view that everyone had
already made up their mind about the War from day one based on their
ideology and I mean to show what idiots I think they are for thinking like
they do. Facts simply don't matter to me. I leave that to others. I am all
about opinion and beliefs. That is what I go after. I am an ideologue who
attacks other ideologies that I don't agree with. Ideologies have very
little if anything to do with facts.

> I am very very very pro-gun control. I have a close friend who is anti-gun
> control. He doesn't yell and scream about it but rather argues his case
> with verifyable facts. I come away from a talk with him feeling like he's
> got the fact on his side and not me. He is of a similar temperment to me,
> however, and he is a great friend dispite the area where we don't agree. I
> doubt that I've ever heard him yell outside of the dojo.

Most arguments believe it or not are not about the facts. They are about
views that are deeply embedded in a person and hardly even accessible to
reason. This is what has to be attacked, not the facts. Facts are mostly
irrelevant and unimportant. You go for the surface; I go for the deep.

>> I will never rest from my labors as long as you post the way you do.
>
> So don't rest. I think the statement "I'll post any damn way I please was
> pretty clear."

You are posting like you should in this present message. See how easy it is.
Why not do it this way all the time?

>> Agreed, but you do not know what obnoxious posting is. You are a naif and
>> do not know what a real troll is all about. Where were you when this
>> group was being destroyed a few months ago by a criminal vandal troll.
>> This was not fun and games. A real troll can easily destroy a newsgroup
>> without half trying, especially when everyone on the group is either a
>> coward or worse.
>>
>
> I've only seen references to this. Can some one tell me the story.
> Needless to say I wasn't here then.

No one will tell you the story, but you can go back and read however much of
the **** that you can stand.

>> The place for books will never again be what it was though due to the
>> electronic media. Don't you think that was pretty much what I was saying
>> in the first place? You see how we can find areas of agreement when you
>> listen to the small quiet voice in the back of your mind.
>>
>
> No Ed that isn't what you said. It is rather what I said. You said things
> like "Nobody reads novels anymore. Old people don't read novels. The novel
> is dead. I stopped reading novels when I was 30. Gore Vidal says Novels
> are dead. Novels are only for the young who are still romantic..."

Everything I said about the novel is true. Everything I say about books in
general is also true. Neither are what they used to be because of the
electronic media. You admitted as much yourself, even though you started off
claiming everything was as before.

> Basically what you just did in the last paragraph you wrote is re-state
> what I said not what you have said in the past. Check the file my boy. And
> don't knock that small quiet voice. Everybody's got one. When you don't
> listen he/she can sometimes grow bigger and louder.

Now you began to see the importance of including everything that has been
said before. No one will go back and see they have previously said. It has
to be right in front of you or you can forget about it.

>> Newsgroups are all about playing games and having some fun. Very strange
>> that a smart fellow like you do not realize this.
>>
>
> So play! Have fun! I get it. You are doing what you want to do and
> enjoying the result. You are not bothered by the fact that there are some
> who find what you do unpleasant. You know what? As long as you stick to
> being merely unpleasant, I don't mind either. You are easily ignored if
> that is my wish. I can play your game if that is my wish. Or, Finally I
> can play my own game while you are playing your and it keeps things
> interesting

By George, I think he has got it!

> Do tell me more about the evil criminal troll, however, I have no idea
> what that was about.

He may be back one of these days and then you can show the rest of us what
you are made of. Everyone else here on ARBR proved themselves to be cowards
except for a handful of us.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Buck]

On 06/21/2005 10:18:14 "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote:

> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

>> Jeff Grippe tells me that he is of Polish ancestry. Does Grippe sound
>> Polish to you?

> Well this is where your various built in bias fail you Ed.

> Grippe is my step-father's name acquired by me when I was ten. I only use
> the word "step-father" to describe the relationship technically. He is my
> Dad. He is the best Dad I could ever hope for and I wear his name proudly
> and with love and fondness give it to my son as well. He does not,
> however, have a drop of Polish blood in him.

> My Mother's family, with whom I am very close, is from Poland. So
> regardless of what I call myself, I am Polish.

> You probably don't know about the Jewish Ferguson's do you?

I work on the principle that you are the nationality of the country in
which you are born.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Tim]

On 2005-06-21, Peter Clinch <[email protected]> wrote:
> Zenin wrote:
>
>> BTW, it's completely possible Peter kill filed you. But it's just as
>> likely he kill filed this thread, not individual people. So "the real
>> question" is why do you jump to the conclusion that it's all about you?
>
> I've got anything Ed posts automatically marked as read, and I usually
> only show unread posts, so Ed's are effectively killed. No problem,
> since he rarely posts anything worth reading (though he does
> occasionally, as I see from quoted replies from others). Since Ed posts
> into so many threads it doesn't make much sense to kill anything he
> posts into, or a.r.b.r would effectively disappear.
>
> Compare and contrast with Mike Vandeman on other groups, where he only
> posts on a single "topic" and none of it is worth reading, including
> considered replies. In his case, any thread he posts to is marked as
> read and I don't see it.
[trim]

I have idly wondered whether Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman may be
the same person. They do seem to have certain traits in common.
--
Tim.

 

[Dave Larrington]

Buck wrote:

> I work on the principle that you are the nationality of the country in
> which you are born.

That makes Dr. Larrington Libyan. Mr. Clarke!

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Dead journalists make excellent objets d'art.

 

[Buck]

On 06/21/2005 13:11:21 "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Buck wrote:

>> I work on the principle that you are the nationality of the country in
>> which you are born.

> That makes Dr. Larrington Libyan. Mr. Clarke!

And me Syrian, like my Father, but he adopted a British surname, to make life
easier for us kids, he served in the British airforce.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Jon Meinecke]

With apparent regard to the inimitable Minnesotan's master
baiting...

"Slugger" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Troll bait for anyone hungry enough. burp.

Yes, bait choices are telling. Horse **** as bait is not
really very novel or tasty. Its use inevitably leads to a
certain sort of commentary and "playing out" of the line
and exposes the character of the fishermen.

All posts are trolls for response. The quality of the bait
and the technique of the fisherman vary. Some here seem
to have a preference for fishing with dynamite or chumming
the waters with inflammatory and fallacious posts. Some
by their destructive actions make the fishing unattractive to
others who seek better/different waters. Many who remain
learn to ignore the bottom-feeder baiting, however.

As for who's on first, I don't know what's his name...

Tom:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/e45dfae0a7ef713f?hl=en

Jon:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/11cacdf0eea4ee18?hl=en

My first ARBR posts were in '98. For more than a decade
prior to that, my fishing technique was already shaped by net.ranger
and others, mainly in comp.* and rec.backcountry USENET
newsgroups. Predating "the Internet," I had UUCP-based
NNTP feeds and '!'-chained email addresses.

Jon Meinecke
net.subtle-apteryx

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> That is all very good, but we still don't know your Polish name. How can
> you be Polish if you do not have a Polish name?
>
Eddie you do say some silly things. I said my Mother's family was Polish. I
don't have a "Polish" name. I have one name, Jeff Grippe. I don't use any
other names or aliases. I don't have a Polish or any other type of name for
that matter. Even the name I was born with (Russian) sounds French and not
Eastern European. You can thank the good people of Ellis Island for that.

In short Ed, you can tell nothing about me from my name other than the fact
that it is my name. I only called you Irish because you said you were in an
earlier post.

If you really knew books as well as you say you do you'd understand the
book/cover distinction a bit differently.

As to Ferguson, it is not a Jewish name at all but rather an Irish one.
However, there is a word in Yiddish that sounds a like Ferguson. The word in
Yiddish means "I Forget" or "I Forgot". There were many Jews who came over
at the turn of the last century that were taught how to write their names
before leaving but couldn't remember once they got here. When asked to write
their names at Ellis Island many of them responded in Yiddish saying "I
Forgot". The clerks wrote down Ferguson as there were also many Irish coming
over at that time and it was not an uncommonly heard name. The result is
that in New York there is a large Eastern European Jewish Ferguson clan and
a large Irish Catholic Ferguson clan. I am fortunate to have friends in
both.

So once again, the bottom line here is that you can tell little by someones
name unless they provide you with additional information. This being the
internet, "Jeff Grippe" could be a 10 year old girl (I'm not but it is
possible).

Jeff

 

[Jeff Grippe]

Regarding your previous message, easily accessible by simply reading it or
remembering it:

Well Ed if you don't understand what I'm talking about then why did you even
respond?

I don't kill file anyone. I don't even know how to do it in OE and I have no
intention of finding out. Please don't anyone reply with instructions. If I
need to know I'm sure it is trivial.

I did not say that "Following rules on how to post are for jerks" but rather
that I was free to follow them or not. I have never heald myself up as the
example to follow nor have I told you that you must do it a certain way. I
don't work that way as you should know by this point.


Re: FORM and CONTENT (Ed's capitalizations)

Ed, for someone who at times appears fairly sophisticated about language you
do equivocate when it suits your purposes. When we were talking about
generalizations you correctly identified the aspect of them which makes them
most useful, which is the encapsulation of many traits into a single
concept. I pointed out (and you didn't bother to disagree) that they fall
apart at the level of the invidual.

As to form and content, you said "Like it is possible to separate one from
the other!". Obviously they can be separated. They are different and
distinct concepts. The same content can be put into many different forms.
The same form can be used to express a variety of content. You are trying to
invalidate my entire arguement by simply saying that it isn't possible to
separate them. Its pretty clear that language has separated them for me. The
concepts exist clear and distinct.



Re: Who understands what I am blathering about

Anyone who doesn't understand me is free to ask for clarification or
complain about my writing style. So far the complaints have been limited to
you and I've already told you that it isn't a complaint I plan to act on. So
you must either stop reading my posts or at least stop responding. Should
you choose to respond, however, you should do it knowing that there is at
least a 50/50 chance of getting a response back whose form you will not
like.

 

[the brook]

Funny, the thread started as Hit Gravel, Broke leg.

Since then, of the 159 posts, 63 were by Dolan and the others are
people responding to his diatribe.

I know Dolan doesn't give a damn, but don't the others realise that by
responding to him, they're part of the reason many people have left
this group?

Enough already with this ****! Time to move on to some other subject.

The brook

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jon Meinecke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1119358213.46072a0596008f3a8f1724e52b71e1f3@teranews...
> With apparent regard to the inimitable Minnesotan's master
> baiting...

Jon Meinecke would be right at home over on the Aussie cycling group. They
are into obscenities big time too, just like Meinecke. But the other Ed was
also his cup of tea in this regard. Birds of a feather should flock
together.

> "Slugger" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Troll bait for anyone hungry enough. burp.
>
> Yes, bait choices are telling. Horse **** as bait is not
> really very novel or tasty. Its use inevitably leads to a
> certain sort of commentary and "playing out" of the line
> and exposes the character of the fishermen.

Another big time Meinecke obsession. Excrement and sexual innuendo. They go
together in Meinecke's mind. Look for one and you will find the other. Kind
of like salt and pepper. Excrement and sexual innuendo. Now we know why
Meinecke did not find the other Ed objectionable.

> All posts are trolls for response. The quality of the bait
> and the technique of the fisherman vary. Some here seem
> to have a preference for fishing with dynamite or chumming
> the waters with inflammatory and fallacious posts. Some
> by their destructive actions make the fishing unattractive to
> others who seek better/different waters. Many who remain
> learn to ignore the bottom-feeder baiting, however.

And some like Meinecke bait with allusions to excrement and sexual innuendo.
He is the ultimate bottom-feeder I would say.

> As for who's on first, I don't know what's his name...
>
> Tom:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/e45dfae0a7ef713f?hl=en
>
> Jon:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/11cacdf0eea4ee18?hl=en

Only a complete fool would bother going to a link of Meinecke's. It is
probably all about excrement and sexual innuendo since that is what he is
all about.

> My first ARBR posts were in '98. For more than a decade
> prior to that, my fishing technique was already shaped by net.ranger
> and others, mainly in comp.* and rec.backcountry USENET
> newsgroups. Predating "the Internet," I had UUCP-based
> NNTP feeds and '!'-chained email addresses.

In other words, he has been around long enough to know better, but has
become senile and is now into nothing but excrement and sexual innuendo. I
think he must be having trouble with both his bowel and his private organ as
that is invariably the case with those who become obsessed with excrement
and sexual innuendo.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> That is all very good, but we still don't know your Polish name. How can
>> you be Polish if you do not have a Polish name?
>>
> Eddie you do say some silly things. I said my Mother's family was Polish.
> I don't have a "Polish" name. I have one name, Jeff Grippe. I don't use
> any other names or aliases. I don't have a Polish or any other type of
> name for that matter. Even the name I was born with (Russian) sounds
> French and not Eastern European. You can thank the good people of Ellis
> Island for that.
[...]

> So once again, the bottom line here is that you can tell little by
> someones name unless they provide you with additional information. This
> being the internet, "Jeff Grippe" could be a 10 year old girl (I'm not but
> it is possible).

Well, if you do not have a Polish name, then you are not Polish. It may be
that your mother has a Polish name and so she is Polish, but you aren't. You
are only at best half Polish. Are you Roman Catholic like most Poles or did
you misplace that too?

Do names matter? You bet they do! If you had a Polish name during the Nazi
conquest, that was one thing. If you had a Jewish name during the Nazi
conquest, that was another thing. It was the difference between life and
death. Names mattered in Old Europe and they still do today. Names matter
everywhere in the world and the minute you don't think so is the minute that
you will be regarded as a fool.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> On 06/21/2005 10:18:14 "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote:
>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>
>>> Jeff Grippe tells me that he is of Polish ancestry. Does Grippe sound
>>> Polish to you?
>
>> Well this is where your various built in bias fail you Ed.
>
>> Grippe is my step-father's name acquired by me when I was ten. I only
>> use
>> the word "step-father" to describe the relationship technically. He is
>> my
>> Dad. He is the best Dad I could ever hope for and I wear his name
>> proudly
>> and with love and fondness give it to my son as well. He does not,
>> however, have a drop of Polish blood in him.
>
>> My Mother's family, with whom I am very close, is from Poland. So
>> regardless of what I call myself, I am Polish.
>
>> You probably don't know about the Jewish Ferguson's do you?
>
> I work on the principle that you are the nationality of the country in
> which you are born.

It is not quite as straight forward as that and no one should know this
better than the Europeans. Some names belong more to a people or nation than
others. The Jews were almost never accepted as belonging to the nations in
which they resided, at least not fully. Ethnicity is never forgotten no
matter what.

A nation is actually a delicate construction. They were forged over the
centuries with armed might and can still fall apart because most nations
are composed of several different peoples. Canada is a case in point. French
Canada may yet decide to leave English Canada even after a couple of hundred
years of being one nation. Europe is full of such examples as are most other
regions of the world.

America is quite unique in it's ability to forge a single nationality out of
disparate peoples. But the true origins never disappear entirely, not even
in America.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Regarding your previous message, easily accessible by simply reading it or
> remembering it:
>
> Well Ed if you don't understand what I'm talking about then why did you
> even respond?

I want others to be able to follow what is being said, not just you and me.

> I don't kill file anyone. I don't even know how to do it in OE and I have
> no intention of finding out. Please don't anyone reply with instructions.
> If I need to know I'm sure it is trivial.
>
> I did not say that "Following rules on how to post are for jerks" but
> rather that I was free to follow them or not.

A distinction without a difference.

I have never heald myself up as the
> example to follow nor have I told you that you must do it a certain way. I
> don't work that way as you should know by this point.

I am doing it right and you are doing it wrong.

> Re: FORM and CONTENT (Ed's capitalizations)
>
> Ed, for someone who at times appears fairly sophisticated about language
> you do equivocate when it suits your purposes. When we were talking about
> generalizations you correctly identified the aspect of them which makes
> them most useful, which is the encapsulation of many traits into a single
> concept. I pointed out (and you didn't bother to disagree) that they fall
> apart at the level of the invidual.

That is always understood and is so obvious that it does not need to be
said.

> As to form and content, you said "Like it is possible to separate one from
> the other!". Obviously they can be separated. They are different and
> distinct concepts. The same content can be put into many different forms.
> The same form can be used to express a variety of content. You are trying
> to invalidate my entire arguement by simply saying that it isn't possible
> to separate them. Its pretty clear that language has separated them for
> me. The concepts exist clear and distinct.

I am unable to deal with your content when the form is not according to the
rules, at least as it applies to Usenet. I can deal just fine with whatever
you say however you say it via email, but Usenet is not email. I have no
interest in email and I do not wish to confound the two mediums as you do.
For purposes of Usenet, the form is as important as the content. They go
together. That is what makes Usenet Usenet.

> Re: Who understands what I am blathering about
>
> Anyone who doesn't understand me is free to ask for clarification or
> complain about my writing style. So far the complaints have been limited
> to you and I've already told you that it isn't a complaint I plan to act
> on. So you must either stop reading my posts or at least stop responding.
> Should you choose to respond, however, you should do it knowing that there
> is at least a 50/50 chance of getting a response back whose form you will
> not like.

ARBR is now as dead as a door nail. There would have been any number of
former members of this group who would have taken you to task for your
manner of posting.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"the brook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Funny, the thread started as Hit Gravel, Broke leg.
>
> Since then, of the 159 posts, 63 were by Dolan and the others are
> people responding to his diatribe.
>
> I know Dolan doesn't give a damn, but don't the others realise that by
> responding to him, they're part of the reason many people have left
> this group?
>
> Enough already with this ****! Time to move on to some other subject.
>
> The brook

You would be advancing the group if you would advise Jeff Grippe to post the
right way. He is throwing a monkey wrench into our proceedings.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Well, if you do not have a Polish name, then you are not Polish....
>
> Do names matter? You bet they do! If you had a Polish name during the Nazi
> conquest, that was one thing....

And I suppose if my name were Philip Charles Smith that would preclude me
from being black or African American?

Eddie baby, you don't know what you are talking about. Are labels important?
Yes. Does the label create the reality? No.

Are you trying to tell me that if my Dad's name had been O'Leary, and if I
had taken his name as I did the name Grippe, then I would be Irish despite
that fact that I have no Irish ancestors that I know of?

Ed, I know you like to win arguments and that you will stick with something
said long past the point of reason but you are just saying nonsense.

By the way we are not living during the Nazi era all evidence to the
contrary.

Give this one a rest Ed. You are just making yourself look silly.

Jeff