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  1. From and interview on Eurosport.com:

    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling around
    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the medications
    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because of his
    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say to that
    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how much
    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do it to
    it's maximum

    -------

    Gotta love that kind of candor.
    Jeff

  2. "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    From and interview on Eurosport.com:


    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

    Quoted message said:


    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling around
    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the


    medications

    Quoted message said:

    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because of


    his

    Quoted message said:

    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say to


    that

    Quoted message said:

    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how much
    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do it to
    it's maximum

    Of course, Hinault conveniently didn't answer the question.

    Quoted message said:

    -------

    Gotta love that kind of candor.
    Jeff

  3. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    From and interview on Eurosport.com:



    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling


    around

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the


    medications

    Quoted message said:

    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because of


    his

    Quoted message said:

    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say to


    that

    Quoted message said:

    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how much
    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do it


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's maximum

    Of course, Hinault conveniently didn't answer the question.

    Hinault's obvious answer is for the "LA is doping" crowd to get over it.
    Hinault is saying that Lance was near death and he came back from that
    experience with a newfound appreciation for life and what he could
    accomplish with his life - both on and off the bike. LA's near-death
    experience is what is driving his performance, not drugs.

    Of course, he could be wrong....
    Jeff

    Quoted message said:
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    -------

    Gotta love that kind of candor.
    Jeff

  4. "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    From and interview on Eurosport.com:




    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling


    around

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the


    medications

    Quoted message said:

    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his

    Quoted message said:

    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that

    Quoted message said:

    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do


    it

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's maximum

    Of course, Hinault conveniently didn't answer the question.

    Hinault's obvious answer is for the "LA is doping" crowd to get over it.
    Hinault is saying that Lance was near death and he came back from that
    experience with a newfound appreciation for life and what he could
    accomplish with his life - both on and off the bike. LA's near-death
    experience is what is driving his performance, not drugs.

    Of course, he could be wrong....
    Jeff

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    -------

    Gotta love that kind of candor.
    Jeff

    Bernie is a paid employee of the Tour who isn't going to spit in the
    financial soup that Armstrong helps to season. I would only expect him to
    repeat the Lance mythology or cancer survivor comback kid. That's sells, not
    covered up track marks and car park drop-offs.

  5. "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    From and interview on Eurosport.com:

    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling around
    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the medications
    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because of his
    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say to that
    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how much
    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do it to
    it's maximum

    -------

    Gotta love that kind of candor.
    Jeff

    Yeah, Bernie's not much of one to mince words.

  6. J Jones said:

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say to
    that bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the
    same sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how
    much you'll want to
    live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do it to it's maximum

    Hinault is 100% right... Who gives a toss if he dopes or not... he is
    one of the greatest athletes in the world and a true symbol of a human
    defeating a horrible disease.

    I am not a Lance fan, but attacks on his doping are just as stupid as
    attacks on Ulrich for his "fatness". It just shows a lack of respect.
    It's the IOC and UCI who have the final word.

    --

  7. "Tuschinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    It's the IOC and UCI who have the final word.

    And God Bless them.

  8. Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Bernie is a paid employee of the Tour who isn't going to spit in the
    financial soup that Armstrong helps to season. I would only expect him to
    repeat the Lance mythology or cancer survivor comback kid. That's sells, not
    covered up track marks and car park drop-offs.

    Walsh is selling track marks and car park drop-offs, and *you're* buying.

    That's one reason he didn't do this "expose" in his newspaper column, because
    he is already paid for that output.
    --TP

  9. "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    From and interview on Eurosport.com:

    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling around
    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the medications
    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because of his
    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say to that
    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how much
    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do it to
    it's maximum
    -------

    Gotta love that kind of candor.

    One of "they're all guilty and cheats" Lafferty's heroes is no longer.
    Brian "carrie nation" Lafferty's bubble has just burst.

    -Ken

  10. "Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Bernie is a paid employee of the Tour who isn't going to spit in the
    financial soup that Armstrong helps to season. I would only expect him


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    repeat the Lance mythology or cancer survivor comback kid. That's sells,


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    covered up track marks and car park drop-offs.

    Walsh is selling track marks and car park drop-offs, and *you're* buying.

    That's one reason he didn't do this "expose" in his newspaper column,


    because

    Quoted message said:

    he is already paid for that output.
    --TP

    Walsh is selling a book of investigative journalism which you can read and
    reach your own conclusions about. Bernies is (a) not a journalist, (b) has
    an obligation to his emplyer to present the employer's line --the Lance Myth
    and (c) didn't answer the question. You might want to take a look at Eric
    Boyers comments in L'Equipe.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/boyer_2306.html

  11. Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Walsh is selling a book of investigative journalism which you can read and
    reach your own conclusions about. Bernies is (a) not a journalist, (b) has
    an obligation to his emplyer to present the employer's line --the Lance Myth
    and (c) didn't answer the question. You might want to take a look at Eric
    Boyers comments in L'Equipe.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/boyer_2306.html

    Hey hey hey, whaddya know-- I thought your wife wouldn't let you reply to me.
    Well, tickle tickle we found a spot.

    The other reason Walsh didn't put this "investigative journalism" into his
    newspaper is that he expects a much wider reading audience for a sensational
    (in one sense) book. That translates to some amount of money added to his
    take-home for the year. Maybe a nice chunk.

    Walsh has been gunning for LA and the Tour since they didn't roll over and say
    "doper" when he commanded. Between him and Pound, the casualty count will rise.
    Hell, maybe they'll even scuttle the Tour. What a monument to their memories.

    Sports will never be "clean", no matter how many athlete bodies lie rotting in
    the ditch.

    Boyer said "I don't know at this moment" and "It's necessary to be prudent".
    Sorry, I'm busy, I did read down to where he said Greg didn't deny the
    coversation. Ah, Greg isn't supposed to talk about this per condition of his
    contract.

    Can we perhaps not understand the motivation of a jealous wife to paint a dark
    picture of a usurper-- just to point out a possible reason to doubt a reported
    (not recorded) conversation. Cool that she had pen and paper ready to hand to
    transcribe. I wonder if she is habitually so equipped. Fast writer, too, if she
    did it in longhand.

    Sorry, it's gotta be like the Millar "bust" is alleged to have happened.
    Physical evidence found, and/or a positive (A and B sample) test, and a
    confession given with a lawyer present. "I got Lance some pills" is [censored].
    --TP

    Quoted message said:
  12. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Bernie is a paid employee of the Tour who isn't going to spit in the
    financial soup that Armstrong helps to season. I would only expect him


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    repeat the Lance mythology or cancer survivor comback kid. That's


    sells,

    Quoted message said:

    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    covered up track marks and car park drop-offs.

    Walsh is selling track marks and car park drop-offs, and *you're*


    buying.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    That's one reason he didn't do this "expose" in his newspaper column,


    because

    Quoted message said:

    he is already paid for that output.
    --TP

    Walsh is selling a book of investigative journalism which you can read and
    reach your own conclusions about. Bernies is (a) not a journalist, (b)


    has

    Quoted message said:

    an obligation to his emplyer to present the employer's line --the Lance


    Myth

    Quoted message said:

    and (c) didn't answer the question. You might want to take a look at Eric
    Boyers comments in L'Equipe.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/boyer_2306.html

    Looks interesting. Translation please?

    Mark VandenBerghe

  13. "Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Walsh is selling a book of investigative journalism which you can read


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reach your own conclusions about. Bernies is (a) not a journalist, (b)


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    an obligation to his emplyer to present the employer's line --the Lance


    Myth

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and (c) didn't answer the question. You might want to take a look at


    Eric

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Boyers comments in L'Equipe.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/boyer_2306.html

    Hey hey hey, whaddya know-- I thought your wife wouldn't let you reply to


    me.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, tickle tickle we found a spot.

    The other reason Walsh didn't put this "investigative journalism" into his
    newspaper is that he expects a much wider reading audience for a


    sensational

    Quoted message said:

    (in one sense) book. That translates to some amount of money added to his
    take-home for the year. Maybe a nice chunk.

    In Walsh's words:
    We're not in this to make a bunch of money and we're not going to make a
    bunch of money. This is the time of the year when people are most interested
    in cycling. We're not just going to release the book at a time when it is
    convenient to someone else. We wanted to put it out there when it would get
    the most attention.

    Quoted message said:


    Walsh has been gunning for LA and the Tour since they didn't roll over and


    say

    Quoted message said:

    "doper" when he commanded. Between him and Pound, the casualty count will


    rise.

    Quoted message said:

    Hell, maybe they'll even scuttle the Tour. What a monument to their


    memories.

    In Walsh's words:
    I did a story on Lance Armstrong in 2001 and I felt that it raised a lot of
    questions. It was not definitive, but it revealed his relationship with
    Doctor (Michele) Ferrari. It left me with a lingering feeling of unfinished
    business, and it was something that I always wanted to get to the heart of.
    Both Pierre and I felt that the Lance Armstrong phenomenon was something
    that had to be examined.

    Quoted message said:


    Sports will never be "clean", no matter how many athlete bodies lie


    rotting in

    Quoted message said:

    the ditch.

    Yawn....so?

    Quoted message said:


    Boyer said "I don't know at this moment" and "It's necessary to be


    prudent".

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry, I'm busy, I did read down to where he said Greg didn't deny the
    coversation. Ah, Greg isn't supposed to talk about this per condition of


    his

    Quoted message said:

    contract.

    Boyer also said: L'enquête me semble très fouillée et très sérieuse.
    Maintenant ce ne sont que des témoignages. Si les deux auteurs veulent
    vraiment aller jusqu'au bout, ils doivent passer à la vitesse supérieure et
    fournir des preuves. Néanmoins, il y a quand même des témoignages qui me
    paraissent crédibles

    Quoted message said:


    Can we perhaps not understand the motivation of a jealous wife to paint a


    dark

    Quoted message said:

    picture of a usurper-- just to point out a possible reason to doubt a


    reported

    Quoted message said:

    (not recorded) conversation. Cool that she had pen and paper ready to hand


    to

    Quoted message said:

    transcribe. I wonder if she is habitually so equipped. Fast writer, too,


    if she

    Quoted message said:

    did it in longhand.

    You can paint any picture you like. Does it represent reality or is it
    surreal. Most business people I know have pen and paper handy in cars and
    elsewhere. Give Greg a call and ask Kathy to transcribe. See how accurate
    it is. She is also reported to have gone over the conversation notes with
    Greg immediately after the conversation while it was fresh in his mind.
    That tends toward accuracy.

    Quoted message said:


    Sorry, it's gotta be like the Millar "bust" is alleged to have happened.
    Physical evidence found, and/or a positive (A and B sample) test, and a
    confession given with a lawyer present. "I got Lance some pills" is


    [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    --TP

    It will be interesting to see what else comes out. Once these things start,
    others with access start to speak as well. The only thing that isn't
    totally damning about O'Reilley's story is that she didn't ascertain the the
    drug she transported from Spain. To me, the most damning part of her story
    is her revelation of an admission against interest by Armstrong. Saying he
    would do what the all do to bring his hematocrit up and that she now had
    enough information to bring him down.

    I hope Armstrong's legal action goes to trial. The testimony by Armstrong,
    O'Reilly and the Lemonds will be most interesting.

  14. Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    You can paint any picture you like. Does it represent reality or is it
    surreal.

    And you likewise.

    Quoted message said:

    She [Kathy] is also reported to have gone over the conversation notes with
    Greg immediately after the conversation while it was fresh in his mind.
    That tends toward accuracy.

    Who reported that, Kathy?

    Quoted message said:

    In Walsh's words:
    We're not in this to make a bunch of money and we're not going to make a
    bunch of money. This is the time of the year when people are most interested
    in cycling. We're not just going to release the book at a time when it is
    convenient to someone else.

    How about when it was "news"? Or otherwise not timed as he admits to have the
    most impact. The timing, along with the "we don't prove anything" stinks.

    Quoted message said:

    In Walsh's words:
    I did a story on Lance Armstrong in 2001 and I felt that it raised a lot of
    questions. It was not definitive, but it revealed his relationship with
    Doctor (Michele) Ferrari. It left me with a lingering feeling of unfinished
    business, and it was something that I always wanted to get to the heart of.
    Both Pierre and I felt that the Lance Armstrong phenomenon was something
    that had to be examined.

    I already translated that passage. "Didn't roll over", in short. [censored] "both
    Pierre and I" off.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sports will never be "clean", no matter how many athlete bodies lie


    rotting in

    Quoted message said:

    the ditch.

    Yawn....so?

    First time I've seen you yawn in this thread. Bored by carnage? The sport isn't
    being ruined from the inside, it's being attacked by grandstanding "crusaders".

    Quoted message said:

    Boyer also said: (snipped)

    The caution I think was the wise part.

    I'm glad you and me and your wife are on speaking terms again, Brian. --TP

  15. Tom Paterson said:

    The other reason Walsh didn't put this "investigative journalism" into his
    newspaper is that he expects a much wider reading audience for a sensational
    (in one sense) book. That translates to some amount of money added to his
    take-home for the year. Maybe a nice chunk.

    And if we had proper translators hanging around RBR, we'd have known 3
    years ago about Emma O'Reilly (team physio, not team "chiropractor" in
    the Actovegin scandal).

  16. Brian, you DO realize that you're the laughing stock of the universe don't
    you?

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Bernie is a paid employee of the Tour who isn't going to spit in the
    financial soup that Armstrong helps to season. I would only expect him


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    repeat the Lance mythology or cancer survivor comback kid. That's


    sells,

    Quoted message said:

    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    covered up track marks and car park drop-offs.

    Walsh is selling track marks and car park drop-offs, and *you're*


    buying.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    That's one reason he didn't do this "expose" in his newspaper column,


    because

    Quoted message said:

    he is already paid for that output.
    --TP

    Walsh is selling a book of investigative journalism which you can read and
    reach your own conclusions about. Bernies is (a) not a journalist, (b)


    has

    Quoted message said:

    an obligation to his emplyer to present the employer's line --the Lance


    Myth

    Quoted message said:

    and (c) didn't answer the question. You might want to take a look at Eric
    Boyers comments in L'Equipe.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/boyer_2306.html

  17. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    In Walsh's words:

    In Lafferty's words - EVERYONE IS DOPING, EVERYONE IS DOPING, EVERYONE IS
    DOPING, EVERYONE IS DOPING, EVERYONE IS DOPING, EVERYONE IS DOPING, EVERYONE
    IS DOPING - Please EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

    Brian, you're getting funnier by the posting and considering your fecundity
    I have to imagine that soon most of the known universe will be dead from
    laughing at you.

  18. B. Lafferty said:
    Quoted message said:

    Of course, Hinault conveniently didn't answer the question.

    Dumbass, it wasn't a question. You're fired.

  19. B. Lafferty said:

    "Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    Walsh is selling a book of investigative journalism which you can read

    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reach your own conclusions about. Bernies is (a) not a journalist, (b)

    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    an obligation to his emplyer to present the employer's line --the Lance

    Myth

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and (c) didn't answer the question. You might want to take a look at

    Eric

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Boyers comments in L'Equipe.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/boyer_2306.html

    Hey hey hey, whaddya know-- I thought your wife wouldn't let you reply to

    me.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, tickle tickle we found a spot.

    The other reason Walsh didn't put this "investigative journalism" into his
    newspaper is that he expects a much wider reading audience for a

    sensational

    Quoted message said:

    (in one sense) book. That translates to some amount of money added to his
    take-home for the year. Maybe a nice chunk.

    In Walsh's words:
    We're not in this to make a bunch of money and we're not going to make a
    bunch of money. This is the time of the year when people are most interested
    in cycling. We're not just going to release the book at a time when it is
    convenient to someone else. We wanted to put it out there when it would get
    the most attention.

    Oh, and make the most money!!! Laferty either you are naive, stupid or
    disingenuous.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Walsh has been gunning for LA and the Tour since they didn't roll over and

    say

    Quoted message said:

    "doper" when he commanded. Between him and Pound, the casualty count will

    rise.

    Quoted message said:

    Hell, maybe they'll even scuttle the Tour. What a monument to their

    memories.

    In Walsh's words:
    I did a story on Lance Armstrong in 2001 and I felt that it raised a lot of
    questions. It was not definitive, but it revealed his relationship with
    Doctor (Michele) Ferrari. It left me with a lingering feeling of unfinished
    business, and it was something that I always wanted to get to the heart of.
    Both Pierre and I felt that the Lance Armstrong phenomenon was something
    that had to be examined.

    Quoted message said:

    Sports will never be "clean", no matter how many athlete bodies lie

    rotting in

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    Yawn....so?

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    Boyer said "I don't know at this moment" and "It's necessary to be

    prudent".

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    Sorry, I'm busy, I did read down to where he said Greg didn't deny the
    coversation. Ah, Greg isn't supposed to talk about this per condition of

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    contract.

    Boyer also said: L'enquête me semble très fouillée et très sérieuse.
    Maintenant ce ne sont que des témoignages. Si les deux auteurs veulent
    vraiment aller jusqu'au bout, ils doivent passer à la vitesse supérieure et
    fournir des preuves. Néanmoins, il y a quand même des témoignages qui me
    paraissent crédibles

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    Can we perhaps not understand the motivation of a jealous wife to paint a

    dark

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    picture of a usurper-- just to point out a possible reason to doubt a

    reported

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    (not recorded) conversation. Cool that she had pen and paper ready to hand

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    transcribe. I wonder if she is habitually so equipped. Fast writer, too,

    if she

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    did it in longhand.

    You can paint any picture you like. Does it represent reality or is it
    surreal. Most business people I know have pen and paper handy in cars and
    elsewhere. Give Greg a call and ask Kathy to transcribe. See how accurate
    it is. She is also reported to have gone over the conversation notes with
    Greg immediately after the conversation while it was fresh in his mind.
    That tends toward accuracy.

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    Sorry, it's gotta be like the Millar "bust" is alleged to have happened.
    Physical evidence found, and/or a positive (A and B sample) test, and a
    confession given with a lawyer present. "I got Lance some pills" is

    [censored].

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    --TP

    It will be interesting to see what else comes out. Once these things start,
    others with access start to speak as well. The only thing that isn't
    totally damning about O'Reilley's story is that she didn't ascertain the the
    drug she transported from Spain. To me, the most damning part of her story
    is her revelation of an admission against interest by Armstrong. Saying he
    would do what the all do to bring his hematocrit up and that she now had
    enough information to bring him down.

    I hope Armstrong's legal action goes to trial. The testimony by Armstrong,
    O'Reilly and the Lemonds will be most interesting.

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    "J Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    From and interview on Eurosport.com:




    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18/E6083/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6083_Sto607341.shtml

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    Eurosport: Amidst the doping innuendo that is continually swirling


    around

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    cycling, some have made the connection between Armstrong and the


    medications

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    he was allowed to take - and may currently still be taking - because


    of

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    his

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    cancer.

    Bernard Hinault: Yeah, I've heard that and here's what I have to say


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    bunch of [censored]: I wish you just one thing: That you have the same
    sickness. That you have one foot in the grave. Then you'll see how


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    you'll want to live. How much you'll want to do what you love and do


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    it's maximum

    Of course, Hinault conveniently didn't answer the question.

    Hinault's obvious answer is for the "LA is doping" crowd to get over it.
    Hinault is saying that Lance was near death and he came back from that
    experience with a newfound appreciation for life and what he could
    accomplish with his life - both on and off the bike. LA's near-death
    experience is what is driving his performance, not drugs.

    Of course, he could be wrong....

    He *could* be wrong? Actually, he is. There is no logic in what Hinault
    says. A near-death experience does not make you go faster. 'Surviving
    cancer' and 'using blood doping' are not interchangable. I'm sure that
    Armstrong has a strong character and the way he was able to cope with his
    illness is testimony to that. But I've yet to see anyone dispute that. But
    that kind of drive is different from the advantage doping gives. Or do we
    assume that Armstrong shoots syringes full of cancer survivorship into his
    arm?

    If anything is in the way of solving the doping problem, it is the pathetic
    hero-attitude that surrounds sportsmen. Some can do nothing wrong, while
    others are cheaters to begin with. Armstrong has played the hero card too
    much, I think, and it is backfiring towards him.

    I have a lot of respect for Armstrong's career, and especially for the way
    he stood up to his illness. I wouldn't call it inspiring, because I'm more
    inspired by a very different sort of person, but it is easy to see why he
    inspires others. But the kind of moral blackmail that his cancer history is
    used for is sickening, and I've had enough of it (something that should have
    been said in 2000 or 1999). Any accusations about Armstrong and doping are
    unconnected to his history with cancer, in any way. Let that be clear from
    now on.

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    Gotta love that kind of candor.

    You love it that Hinault uses strong language to conceal the fact that he's
    actually saying nothing at all?

    Jonathan.

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