Hilleberg Nallo 2

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:18:42 -0000, "Andy Laycock" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

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One question about packing it up. The instructions says you can leave the
inner and flysheet connected. Great for putting it up but has anyone had
problems with condensation from the fly wetting the inner when it is stored
the following morning? Replies welcome about this tent or one using a
similar system.

I haven't used a Nallo, but I have the Hilleberg Akto which pitches in
a similar way.

When it's wet I have found that condensation or rain from the fly can
cause the inner to be wet when I put the tent up in the evening, but
I've also found that if I just wipe the inner down - the inside of it:
not the outside of it adjacent to the fly - with some tissues, or a
camping towel, then in about 60 seconds it's dry and comfy again. I
was worried about that before taking the Akto on a 3 week walk in the
summer, but I'm not worried about it any more. I've actually bought a
v. small camping towel specifically to deal with this: end of problem.

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Any other comments about the Nallo 2?

I wish I had one! :-)

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"Andy Laycock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm on the lookout for a new lightweight two person tent. I like the look

of

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the Hilleberg Nallo 2 due to its low weight and ample room inside.

One question about packing it up. The instructions says you can leave the
inner and flysheet connected. Great for putting it up but has anyone had
problems with condensation from the fly wetting the inner when it is

stored

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the following morning? Replies welcome about this tent or one using a
similar system.

Any other comments about the Nallo 2?

I've got a Nallo 3 rather than Nallo 2 based on the theory that two people
would not be comfortable in a two man tent (I have an Akto for solo use). I
have used the Nallo when alone (before I bought the Akto), so it is not very
heavy.

I bet that makes Peewiglet's credit card twitch!!! I mean a person
definitely needs two Hillebergs for backpacking. Now I want to add a Saivo,
but I can't justify the expense as I do not do enough camping in really
awful conditions to justify the expense.

In terms of condensation, I have never had a problem, but I have only used
it for about 3 nights in a row before taking it home and drying it properly
before putting away.

One thing you must do though is tighten the webbing when you put the tent
up. Otherwise the outer flaps about, looks awful and makes a racket. It
took me about five nights before I learnt this and I now sleep much better
in the tent.

I can put up the Nallo in around 10 minutes on my own, so it is not a tent
to worry about putting up alone.

I find the sewn in groundsheet a little thin, so I use the extra Hilleberg
groundsheet underneath. It's only another 300g, but I hope it will make my
tent last longer.

Have fun,
Paul

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:49:19 -0000, "Paul Cummings"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

I've got a Nallo 3 rather than Nallo 2 based on the theory that two people
would not be comfortable in a two man tent (I have an Akto for solo use). I
have used the Nallo when alone (before I bought the Akto), so it is not very
heavy.

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I bet that makes Peewiglet's credit card twitch!!!

Lol! Mindreader!! :-)

<fx: blush>

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I mean a person
definitely needs two Hillebergs for backpacking. Now I want to add a Saivo,
but I can't justify the expense as I do not do enough camping in really
awful conditions to justify the expense.

It looks lovely, but at 4.9 kilos it's too heavy for one small
peewiglet.

Best wishes,
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Andy Laycock said:

Any other comments about the Nallo 2?

Hi Andrew

There are three Owner Reviews on the Nallo 2 at
<http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Shelters/Tents/Hilleberg%20Nallo%202%20Tent/>
which might be worth reading for insights into others experience with
same.

Regards
Andrew

Andy Laycock said:

One question about packing it up. The instructions says you can leave the
inner and flysheet connected. Great for putting it up but has anyone had
problems with condensation from the fly wetting the inner when it is stored
the following morning?

I used my Nallo 2 on a 10-day backpacking trip in the Pyrenees last
July. With two of us in the tent there was considerable condensation
on the fly most mornings due to the low overnight temperatures and
lack of much wind. A quick wipe down with a Jeycloth carried for the
purpose removed the worst but the inner did still become damp when the
tent was packed as one. It took only minutes to dry out when repitched
at the next bivvy site due to the warm sunny weather we enjoyed during
daylight hours, however. I'd throw the Nallo up while Jane got a brew
on, and by the time we'd finished it the tent was completely dry.

Note that I haven't found condensation a problem in the UK climate
provided I always peg the rear of the fly out as far as possible to
allow adequate ventilation.

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Any other comments about the Nallo 2?

It's as strong as Hilleberg say. We spent a night on the blaise
'campsite' at Nuria where we survived a gale that tore several large
ridge tents apart. Although the wind had veered 180 degrees and was
hammering onto the porch the Nallo took it in its stride. Most
impressive.

All in all, it's been a great investment. Light enough to carry solo,
but large enough for two not to feel claustraphobic. Large backpacking
sacks have to live outside but there's room inside for all the
essential gear and the porch is roomy enough for safe cooking.

Al
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Peewiglet said:

It looks lovely, but at 4.9 kilos it's too heavy for one small
peewiglet.

Hilleberg's News page has a picture of a new model called a Jannu which
looks like a lighter nuclear bunker with just the one door (the Saivo
and Tarra both have a porch at either end). No actual details, rather
annoyingly :-(

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

In article <[email hidden]>, Andy Laycock

URL: said:

Hi,

I'm on the lookout for a new lightweight two person tent. I like the
look of the Hilleberg Nallo 2 due to its low weight and ample room
inside.

One question about packing it up. The instructions says you can leave
the inner and flysheet connected. Great for putting it up but has
anyone had problems with condensation from the fly wetting the inner
when it is stored the following morning? Replies welcome about this
tent or one using a similar system.

Any other comments about the Nallo 2?

Cheers

Andrew

We have a Hilleberg Nallo 2 GT, a MacPac Stella, my wife has a
Hilleberg Akto, and many years ago we had a Vango Hurrican Beta, all of
which pitch fly and inner together. I think it is a great design
feature. In all of the above designs it is possible to separate inner
and outer tents and also in the current tents it is possible to pitch
them as alternatives of inner or outer only.

Yes you do occasionally have the problem of a wet outer making the inner
damp if they are folded and carried together. But thisis more than
offset by the alternative advantage of not having to pitch an inner
first in the rain, as we have to with our Wild Country/Terra
Nova Mountain Quasar.

With the Nallo if you are taking the tent down in the wet then you can
drop the inner and pack it away whilst staying under the cover of the
outer.

Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
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` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch

URL: said:

Peewiglet said:

It looks lovely, but at 4.9 kilos it's too heavy for one small
peewiglet.

Hilleberg's News page has a picture of a new model called a Jannu
which looks like a lighter nuclear bunker with just the one door (the
Saivo and Tarra both have a porch at either end). No actual details,
rather annoyingly :-(

Pete.

I think I'll have to wait until my Mountain Quasar finally gives up
before going before being able to justify a new high spec winter and
high mountain tent.

The forcast of snow for Christmas in the North and West is certainly
making me think of which venue to head for this year.

Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
--
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<\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
"> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

Mike Clark said:

I think I'll have to wait until my Mountain Quasar finally gives up
before going before being able to justify a new high spec winter and
high mountain tent.

Been very pleased with the Tarra: all of the advantages of an all-in-one
pitch with the basic strength of a Quasar plus reasonably big porches.
Two downsides, first is the price (I paid £425 for mine, which was £75
off RRP and it's gone up since then!) and the second is it isn't as
quiet in a real blow as a Quasar (though you certainly don't feel it's
going to fall over, the flatter roof does flap a bit for a little less
sleep).
It's a bit lighter than a Quasar too, about the same as the Ultra Quasar
but both are heavier than the Crux. I'm wondering if this new one will
be similar to the Crux in weight, but without the pain of having to
pitch inner first. Can't see me buying one as well as the Tarra unless
my lottery number selections improve markedly!

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:44:23 +0000, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Hilleberg's News page has a picture of a new model called a Jannu which
looks like a lighter nuclear bunker with just the one door (the Saivo
and Tarra both have a porch at either end). No actual details, rather
annoyingly :-(

Oooh, yes... iswym! How extremely exciting! 🙂

I love my Akto, but if there was an equally bomb-proof semi-geodesic
tent around at a comparable weight - particular pitching outer first,
or inner/outer together - I'd be there like a shot (if I could afford
it, of course)...

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:44:23 +0000, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Hilleberg's News page has a picture of a new model called a Jannu which
looks like a lighter nuclear bunker with just the one door (the Saivo
and Tarra both have a porch at either end). No actual details, rather
annoyingly :-(

Oooh, yes... iswym! How extremely exciting! 🙂

I love my Akto, but if there was an equally bomb-proof semi-geodesic
tent around at a comparable weight - particular pitching outer first,
or inner/outer together - I'd be there like a shot (if I could afford
it, of course)...

Maybe one of the new ME range next spring. They're meant to have a
semi-geo approx 2kg 2-man coming out. Can't remember if there's a one
man or not, but at that weight who cares. I'll take the extra space
and comfort for a slight weight penalty.

--
Darren
mail to darren not ng

Darren G <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Maybe one of the new ME range next spring. They're meant to have a
semi-geo approx 2kg 2-man coming out. Can't remember if there's a one
man or not, but at that weight who cares. I'll take the extra space
and comfort for a slight weight penalty.

Pictures and info here:

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2933/v/2/sp/3327956988563
28256492

John

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:04:00 -0000, Darren G <[email hidden]>
wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I love my Akto, but if there was an equally bomb-proof semi-geodesic
tent around at a comparable weight - particular pitching outer first,
or inner/outer together - I'd be there like a shot (if I could afford
it, of course)...

Maybe one of the new ME range next spring. They're meant to have a
semi-geo approx 2kg 2-man coming out. Can't remember if there's a one
man or not, but at that weight who cares. I'll take the extra space
and comfort for a slight weight penalty.

Hmm... I see what you mean. For the sake of half a K it isn't actually
worth worrying.

Uh-oh.... when are they coming out again??

Best wishes,
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:28:24 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe one of the new ME range next spring. They're meant to have a
semi-geo approx 2kg 2-man coming out. Can't remember if there's a one
man or not, but at that weight who cares. I'll take the extra space
and comfort for a slight weight penalty.

Hmm... I see what you mean. For the sake of half a K it isn't actually
worth worrying.

Having said that, I can't see a 2kg one. The OM page suggests that the
Torres 2 is 3kg, or 3.15kg in its 4-season form. Is there one I've
overlooked? With the Akto at 1.5kg, and performing well, I probably
wouldn't be interested in the Torres 2.

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2933/v/2/sp/3327956988563

Best wishes,
--
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

Peewiglet <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Having said that, I can't see a 2kg one. The OM page suggests that the
Torres 2 is 3kg, or 3.15kg in its 4-season form. Is there one I've
overlooked? With the Akto at 1.5kg, and performing well, I probably
wouldn't be interested in the Torres 2.

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2933/v/2/sp/332795698
8563

Best wishes,

The basic Dragonfly weighs in at 1950 grammes and the XT, extended-porch
version is 2250 with prices at £290 and £320 respectively

John

John Yale said:

Peewiglet <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Having said that, I can't see a 2kg one. The OM page suggests that the
Torres 2 is 3kg, or 3.15kg in its 4-season form. Is there one I've
overlooked? With the Akto at 1.5kg, and performing well, I probably
wouldn't be interested in the Torres 2.

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2933/v/2/sp/332795698
8563

Best wishes,

The basic Dragonfly weighs in at 1950 grammes and the XT, extended-porch
version is 2250 with prices at £290 and £320 respectively

I'll go and take a look. Thank you :-)

Best wishes,
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Quoted message said:

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:04:00 -0000, Darren G <[email hidden]>
wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I love my Akto, but if there was an equally bomb-proof semi-geodesic
tent around at a comparable weight - particular pitching outer first,
or inner/outer together - I'd be there like a shot (if I could afford
it, of course)...

Maybe one of the new ME range next spring. They're meant to have a
semi-geo approx 2kg 2-man coming out. Can't remember if there's a one
man or not, but at that weight who cares. I'll take the extra space
and comfort for a slight weight penalty.

Hmm... I see what you mean. For the sake of half a K it isn't actually
worth worrying.

Uh-oh.... when are they coming out again??

speaking to the boss of my local gear shop (who has been lucky enough to
go up to ME and have a play with the pre-production models) he reckons
that they are unlikely to be available in volume until early Q2 next
year. I'm still deciding if I can wait that long or will I have to go
with a Hillberg/Laser/Vango.

--
Darren
mail to darren not ng

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[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Peewiglet <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Having said that, I can't see a 2kg one. The OM page suggests that the
Torres 2 is 3kg, or 3.15kg in its 4-season form. Is there one I've
overlooked? With the Akto at 1.5kg, and performing well, I probably
wouldn't be interested in the Torres 2.

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2933/v/2/sp/332795698
8563

Best wishes,

The basic Dragonfly weighs in at 1950 grammes and the XT, extended-porch
version is 2250 with prices at £290 and £320 respectively

That was th eone I was thinking of. I was doing it from memory rather
than checking back on the page. Looking at the pictures it isn;t clear
to me whether the 3 poles are in a semi-geo design or not. Anyone got
any views?

However the guy I was chatting with reckoned that it looks to be strong
enough to act as a UK 4-season anyway.

--
Darren
mail to darren not ng

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:25:03 -0000, Darren G <[email hidden]>
wrote:

[...[

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The basic Dragonfly weighs in at 1950 grammes and the XT, extended-porch
version is 2250 with prices at £290 and £320 respectively

That was th eone I was thinking of. I was doing it from memory rather
than checking back on the page. Looking at the pictures it isn;t clear
to me whether the 3 poles are in a semi-geo design or not. Anyone got
any views?

Ahaaa.... I see now.

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2933/v/2/sp/332795698856328256492

I don't know whether it qualifies as semi-geodesic in any official
sense, but it's certainly the sort of thing I had in mind. I'll be V
interested to hear how people find it when it's released.

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However the guy I was chatting with reckoned that it looks to be strong
enough to act as a UK 4-season anyway.

Crubeens crossed! :-)

Best wishes,
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