hilarious

MagillaGorilla said:

Isn't it hilarious that some guy did an interview with Pedro Delgado and
that they talked about the problems of doping in cycling...but never
discussed the fact that Deldopa tested positive for probenecid in the
'88 Tour de France?

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11233.0.html
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11235.0.html

Thanks,

Magilla

It does seem that people were more inclined to forgive and forget even
that recently. There wasn't a presumption of innocence, but if my
failing memory serves even the American press seemed to want him to be
reinstated. Don't know if it would have been different in '89 when
Lemond was back.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Delgado was a great rider duing his time. But Delgado's doping record
will taint his comments about drugs. Delgado comes across as a
apologist for dopers.

I think that Delgado does make some good points. Certain substances
should be allowed if they are used for medicinal purposes. Naturally a
use would have to be by prescription and reported to the UCI. The
medical condition would be to be verified by a UCI appointed doctor as
well.

Delgado is right when he says that riders don't race enough. It's
understandable that a rider like Lance cut back his spring schedule.
But there is no reason why he did not race more in the fall.

Mark & Steven Bornfeld said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Isn't it hilarious that some guy did an interview with Pedro Delgado and
that they talked about the problems of doping in cycling...but never
discussed the fact that Deldopa tested positive for probenecid in the
'88 Tour de France?

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11233.0.html
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11235.0.html

Thanks,

Magilla

It does seem that people were more inclined to forgive and forget even
that recently. There wasn't a presumption of innocence, but if my
failing memory serves even the American press seemed to want him to be
reinstated. Don't know if it would have been different in '89 when
Lemond was back.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

RonSonic said:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:08:59 -0500, MagillaGorilla <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Delgado was a great rider duing his time. But Delgado's doping record
will taint his comments about drugs. Delgado comes across as a
apologist for dopers.

His name is actually Deldopa.

Quoted message said:

I think that Delgado does make some good points. Certain substances
should be allowed if they are used for medicinal purposes. Naturally a
use would have to be by prescription and reported to the UCI. The
medical condition would be to be verified by a UCI appointed doctor as
well.

Dude, are you lucid? TUE's are a loophole for using bannned substances
and WADA is trying to close them every year (asthma, etc.). What is it,
like 60% of pro cyclists claim to have diagnosable asthma. Since when
does a prescription by a medical doctor mean the purpose of its use is
not performance enhancing?

Since when does the fact that something is performance enhancing mean that it
shouldn't be prescribed.

Why? Because every athlete in the world will then be claiming to their
doctor that they suffer from ailment "X", as has already occurred with
asthma. In most cases doctors diagnose patients with whatever they want
just to get them out of the room.

Stop being so idealistic.

Magilla

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

Delgado was a great rider duing his time. But Delgado's doping record
will taint his comments about drugs. Delgado comes across as a
apologist for dopers.

His name is actually Deldopa.

Quoted message said:

I think that Delgado does make some good points. Certain substances
should be allowed if they are used for medicinal purposes. Naturally a
use would have to be by prescription and reported to the UCI. The
medical condition would be to be verified by a UCI appointed doctor as
well.

WADA or UCI would appoint a doctor and the team would then be
responsible for the medical costs.

Yeah, that should solve the doping problem and completely eliminate
athletes faking asthma. Nice logic idiot: doctors already prescribe
asthma drugs. How is the UCI appointing another one going to make a
difference?

Thanks,

Magilla

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

Delgado was a great rider duing his time. But Delgado's doping record
will taint his comments about drugs. Delgado comes across as a
apologist for dopers.

His name is actually Deldopa.

Quoted message said:

I think that Delgado does make some good points. Certain substances
should be allowed if they are used for medicinal purposes. Naturally a
use would have to be by prescription and reported to the UCI. The
medical condition would be to be verified by a UCI appointed doctor as
well.

WADA or UCI would appoint a doctor and the team would then be
responsible for the medical costs.

Quoted message said:

Dude, are you lucid? TUE's are a loophole for using bannned substances
and WADA is trying to close them every year (asthma, etc.). What is it,
like 60% of pro cyclists claim to have diagnosable asthma. Since when
does a prescription by a medical doctor mean the purpose of its use is
not performance enhancing?

Also, the UCI isn't in the habit of verifying medical conditions. WADA
sets the doping code and banned list and TUE's, not the UCI. Any doctor
the UCI would hire is probably a part of the omerta anyway. They give
out TUE's in Europe like candy on Halloween.

Quoted message said:

Delgado is right when he says that riders don't race enough. It's
understandable that a rider like Lance cut back his spring schedule.
But there is no reason why he did not race more in the fall.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:

I agree that pro cycling has become much harder. But as I said before
it's hard to explain how a rider peaks for the TDF and then does not
enter any races for the rest of the season.
I sometimes wonder if the peaking has not become to predominant in
training. If there is any scientific studies on peaking I would be most
interested...??

Lance didn't find it hard to explain. Personally, I think it's stupid
that guys ride year round.

You don't need scientific studies on peaking. When you're a pro and
riding 500 miles a week, burnout is at your doorstep every morning you
wake up. You shouldn't be riding 400 miles/week for 7 months out of the
year.

Magilla

Yeah try telling that to Merckx or Hinault. Actually I think lots of
miles especially long slow distance helps to prevent burnout.

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

[email hidden] wrote:

>Delgado was a great rider duing his time. But Delgado's doping record
>will taint his comments about drugs. Delgado comes across as a
>apologist for dopers.

His name is actually Deldopa.

>I think that Delgado does make some good points. Certain substances
>should be allowed if they are used for medicinal purposes. Naturally a
>use would have to be by prescription and reported to the UCI. The
>medical condition would be to be verified by a UCI appointed doctor as
>well.

WADA or UCI would appoint a doctor and the team would then be
responsible for the medical costs.

Quoted message said:

Dude, are you lucid? TUE's are a loophole for using bannned substances
and WADA is trying to close them every year (asthma, etc.). What is it,
like 60% of pro cyclists claim to have diagnosable asthma. Since when
does a prescription by a medical doctor mean the purpose of its use is
not performance enhancing?

Also, the UCI isn't in the habit of verifying medical conditions. WADA
sets the doping code and banned list and TUE's, not the UCI. Any doctor
the UCI would hire is probably a part of the omerta anyway. They give
out TUE's in Europe like candy on Halloween.

>Delgado is right when he says that riders don't race enough. It's
>understandable that a rider like Lance cut back his spring schedule.
>But there is no reason why he did not race more in the fall.
>Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:

I agree that pro cycling has become much harder. But as I said before
it's hard to explain how a rider peaks for the TDF and then does not
enter any races for the rest of the season.
I sometimes wonder if the peaking has not become to predominant in
training. If there is any scientific studies on peaking I would be most
interested...??

Lance didn't find it hard to explain. Personally, I think it's stupid
that guys ride year round.

You don't need scientific studies on peaking. When you're a pro and
riding 500 miles a week, burnout is at your doorstep every morning you
wake up. You shouldn't be riding 400 miles/week for 7 months out of the
year.

Magilla