hiker log + full suspension question

Timo says:

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Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

Yes, but so can a fully-rigid bike (no suspension) You do have to unload the
front wheel (at least) as you approach, but the log jump is not hard. I know
there'sa site out there that demonstrates the technique very well - perhaps
someone else can remember the link?

Crashing head-on into it at speed is NOT recommended, whatever your boing-level
might be.

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But
I was surprised to see quite a few fallen saplings placed across trails that
were clearly marked "bikes permitted"

These are placed there for your enjoyment and challenge. ;-)

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If a
dual-suspension bike can handle this sort of obstacle with ease, maybe I'll
upgrade!

Don't waste the money.

Steve

Thanks for the reply, Steve. You gave me a good clue, so I did a google
search.

http://adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Is this what you were remembering?
Thanks
Timo

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Timo says:

Quoted message said:

Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

Yes, but so can a fully-rigid bike (no suspension) You do have to unload

the

Quoted message said:

front wheel (at least) as you approach, but the log jump is not hard. I

know

Quoted message said:

there'sa site out there that demonstrates the technique very well -

perhaps

Quoted message said:

someone else can remember the link?

Crashing head-on into it at speed is NOT recommended, whatever your

boing-level

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might be.

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But
I was surprised to see quite a few fallen saplings placed across trails

that

Quoted message said:

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were clearly marked "bikes permitted"

These are placed there for your enjoyment and challenge. ;-)

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If a
dual-suspension bike can handle this sort of obstacle with ease, maybe

I'll

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upgrade!

Don't waste the money.

Steve

Timo says:

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http://adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html

Is this what you were remembering?

Not that particular one, but very similar. There are (obviously) many ways to
skin that cat, and most of them are pretty efficient.

Steve

Timo said:

Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble? This past weekend I
rode my recreational-level hardtail through a stretch of the NJ Pine
Barrens. My first real off-road experience. Lots of fun, and I'm hooked. But
I was surprised to see quite a few fallen saplings placed across trails that
were clearly marked "bikes permitted" (while other trails were marked hikers
only). I didn't know if my Trek 4900, with a RockShox Judy TT fork, could go
over them, and I didn't want to break the bike (especially since I bought it
pre-owned and the frame is warranted only for the original owner). If a
dual-suspension bike can handle this sort of obstacle with ease, maybe I'll
upgrade!
Thanks
Timo

Hmmm... Sounds like Lebanon State Forest (Brendan Byrne).

You should be able to clear those logs on any rig if you can bunny hop.

I ride the Pineys quite often (see my previous RR's in google). Those
logs are there to make the trail a little more challenging than what the
flat mundane South Jersey has to offer. Please do not remove them.

If you want some help with learning how to navigate that stuff, come out
to a JAR ride (www.jerseyactionriders.org).

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It was Belleplain; my son was playing in a U-11 soccer tournament nearby. In
a number of places there were 3 logs in a row. I left them there. Thanks for
the JAR info and for the trail videos on your website!
Timo

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Hmmm... Sounds like Lebanon State Forest (Brendan Byrne).

You should be able to clear those logs on any rig if you can bunny hop.

I ride the Pineys quite often (see my previous RR's in google). Those
logs are there to make the trail a little more challenging than what the
flat mundane South Jersey has to offer. Please do not remove them.

If you want some help with learning how to navigate that stuff, come out
to a JAR ride (www.jerseyactionriders.org).

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Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble? This past weekend
I
rode my recreational-level hardtail through a stretch of the NJ Pine
Barrens. My first real off-road experience. Lots of fun, and I'm hooked.
But
I was surprised to see quite a few fallen saplings placed across trails
that
were clearly marked "bikes permitted" (while other trails were marked
hikers
only). I didn't know if my Trek 4900, with a RockShox Judy TT fork, could
go
over them, and I didn't want to break the bike (especially since I bought
it
pre-owned and the frame is warranted only for the original owner). If a
dual-suspension bike can handle this sort of obstacle with ease, maybe
I'll
upgrade!
Thanks
Timo

This site should help you with log jumping.
http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm

Timo said:

Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

A completely rigid road bike with skinny (23mm) tires and
drop handlebars can ride over a 6" log, as long as the rider
knows the skill required. I should know - I do it all the time.

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I didn't know if my Trek 4900, with a RockShox Judy TT
fork, could go over them, and I didn't want to break the
bike (especially since I bought it pre-owned and the frame
is warranted only for the original owner).

The Trek 4900 is a full-blown MTB, so it should be rugged
enough to handle this and much more. If you want to see how
much stuff a rigid bike can ride over, check out a trials
competition. Here's a web page with some information:

http://www.biketrials.com/

A fully suspended bike can sometimes ride over large stuff
more easily, and often more quickly, but a highly skilled
rider on a rigid bike can ride over bigger stuff than an
average skilled rider on a full suspension bike.

Mark McMaster
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Timo said:

Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70
or Fuel 90)

Damn, a JD disciple! 🙂

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Timo said:

Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

No, you have to use a fully rigid bike.

gabrielle

Timo said:

Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

No, it can't :-(

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maybe I'll upgrade!

Good call. You'll need one of these
http://www.mds.co.jp/hp/topic/bikeshow/inter2002/imagel/turnerdhrl.jpg
preferably with a
http://www.bike-mailorder.de/catalog/images/Marzocchi_shiver_dc_2004.jpg

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Thanks

Any time!
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Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel 70 or
Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

Not many times. Low end FS is for suckers.

JD

cowens says:

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This site should help you with log jumping.
http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm

Yeah - THAT's the one I was thinking of. ;-)

JD said:

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Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel
70 or Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

Not many times. Low end FS is for suckers.

JD

Well I'm a happy (and in better shape) sucker w/ my Fuel 90! 🙂

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What you need to do is set a big rocks in front of the logs so that
you can use the rock as a step over those pesky logs. ;-)

http://www.fooriders.com/images/misc/huffyrock.jpg

Kidding aside... Your exisiting bike shouldn't have any trouble if you
practice some technique with unweighting each of the bike's wheels
just before it hits the log. With the front wheel, pull up on the
handlebars just a little (like trying to do a wheelie) and with the
rear wheel, push down on the bars and try to put most of your weight
on the front end of the bike, bending your knees a bit just as the
rear wheel hits the log. That will allow you to drag the rear wheel
over the log without incurrig a big impact to your rim.

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JD said:

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Can a relatively low-end full-suspension XC bike (like a Trek Fuel
70 or Fuel 90) make it over a 6"-diameter log with no trouble?

Not many times. Low end FS is for suckers.

JD

Well I'm a happy (and in better shape) sucker w/ my Fuel 90! 🙂

I recently got a close look at all of the new trek "fool" line and
have to say that they are even junkier than before. McBicycles are
for suckers.

JD