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  1. Simon Brooke said:

    I've started work on drafting a briefing document for MPs on the
    problems with the Highway Code amendments. My current draft is as
    follows (outline numbers will be simplified before the final draft,
    it just helps me keep track of what's where for now):

    In my view, its too long.

    It also assumes that the reader is familiar with various jargon terms. I
    understand "utility cycling". I bet my car driving MP does not.

    I think the problems could be summarised as:

    1) Revised Highway Code contains new elements which are damaging to
    cycling, both as a general means of transport (replacing car, bus and other
    vehicle journeys) and as recreation.

    2) Specifically the problems in the new code are:
    a) Advice on use of facilities (details to add, including the TFL data on
    left-turn crush deaths)
    b) Advice on the use of roundabouts (details to add)
    c) Overstating the potential value of helmets which in turn gives an
    impression that cycling is far more dangerous than it actually is (cite
    figures on accidents and deaths per mile w.r.t. pedestrians)

    3) There was a consultation. 70% of replies were from cyclists, largely
    making points covering the three primary issues above.

    4) DSA has ignored all the replies made and adopted wording which further
    discourages cycling, makes cycling around towns more difficult and dangerous
    (suggesting use of facilities), makes road-rage conflict with other road
    users more likely ("oi, get in the cycle lane, its compulsory, its in the
    Highway Code"😉, makes it appear more dangerous than it should be.

    Section 6 of your document is an excellent summary of what the Highway Code
    ought to say.

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

  2. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Andy Leighton

    (') said:
    Ian Smith said:

    On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:51:44 +0100,


    Simon Brooke said:


    > 2.4 70% of all responses to the public consultation process were from
    > cyclists; these overwhelmingly made the same points.

    Can you support that? We expect they overwhelmingly made the same
    points, and you could infer it from the commentary, but I don't think
    the consultation report actually says that (might be wrong - haven't
    checked).

    Probably can't be supported without asking the DSA for figures. However
    there were enough making the point that it was considered a significant
    number in Parliament.

    It might also be worth mentioning that MPs received something like
    11,000 letters and emails from cyclists about these issues.

    Source?

    Umm. I have reread the quote again and it is ambiguous as to whether
    those letters were sent in to the DSA or to MPs. Why can't politicians
    talk unambiguously. We do know that plenty of letters went direct to
    MPs as 35 of them made a submission to the DSA on behalf of cycling
    constiuents. In parliamentary debate there were references to
    numerous letters. But I don't feel confident on saying a number after
    re-reading.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
    "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

  3. Peter Clinch wrote on 20/04/2007 09:59 +0100:

    Quoted message said:
    The Luggage said:

    I've just emailed my MP:


    Me too last weekend:

    Dear Mr Lansley

    The new Highway Code has been laid before Parliament by the Secretary of
    State for Transport on 28 March and I understand it will be approved
    40 days later if not contested.

    Along with many other cyclists and cyclist organisations I wrote in
    response to the consultation to point out problems, some of them real
    safety issues, for cyclists in the revised Code. I gather some 70% of
    the 4,000 respondents were cyclists and there was a public debate in the
    media about the problems for cyclists when the consultation was launched.

    I was therefore very disappointed to read the Consultation Response on
    the Driving Standards Agency website which essentially said "We hear
    what you say but we know better and will ignore you".

    For example, in response to concerns about the advice to use cycle
    facilities "when practicable" the consultation response notes

    "It was felt that other road users needed to be made aware that the
    choice to use these facilities remains with the cyclist, and there is no
    law forcing their use. The phrasing of the rule has therefore been
    amended to take this into account."

    But what does the new wording say? It says use cycle facilities
    "wherever possible"! instead of "when practicable" - a nuance in meaning
    I have difficulty distinguishing and which makes matters worse if
    anything because their practicality is not longer a factor.

    Why does this matter? Well first of all the Road Traffic Act says of
    the Highway Code:

    "A failure on the part of a person to observe any provision of The
    Highway Code shall not of itself render that person to criminal
    proceedings of any kind, but any such failure may in any proceedings
    (whether civil or criminal and including proceedings for an offence
    under the Traffic Acts, the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or
    sections 18 to 23 of the Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party
    to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability
    which is in question in those proceedings."

    So not using cycle facilities "wherever possible" could lead to cyclists
    being found as contributory negligent in any injuries or losses they
    sustain on the road. This would go directly against the clear
    assurances the Under-Secretary of State for Transport, Derek Twigg, gave
    to Parliament:

    "Jo Swinson: Will the Minister give us an assurance that the new
    highway code will not force cyclists off the road for fear of legal
    consequences?

    Derek Twigg: The simple answer is that it will not.

    Hansard 2 May 2006

    It also makes the Consultation Response above misleading because what it
    is actually saying is that while it's the cyclist choice, there will now
    be consequences of exercising that choice.

    There are many other aspect particularly related to cyclist safety both
    in this section and other parts of the draft Highway Code. The section
    on roundabouts, for example, gives dangerous advice that goes against
    National Cycling Standards training but in the interests of brevity I
    will stop here. I would be happy to address the other issues later
    should you wish

    The draft Highway Code is ignoring the many validly expressed
    concerns by cyclists in favour of motoring at a time when we need to
    encourage more cycling to tackle both environment and health problem.

    I hope I can encourage you and your Party, which has placed
    environment and health high on its agenda, to contest this draft and
    require its rewriting to properly address the concerns that cyclists
    have raised in the Consultation.

    Yours sincerely etc

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  4. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Ian Smith

    (') said:

    On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:51:44 +0100, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    2.5 A revised, and apparently final, draft has been published in March
    2007 which does not remedy the problems for cyclists.

    add "... and in some respects is actually worse than the previous
    draft." ?

    Possibly. I'm trying very to be neutral in tone, not to be seen to be doing
    special pleading. I agree with your sentence and say something very
    similar later in the document...

    Indeed, I was trying to bring that forward in the document (and
    repeat it) in order to catch a skim-reader more easily. It's a key
    point - they had consultation and then made matters worse, but there's
    no opportunity for consultation on the made-worse version.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  5. Simon Brooke wrote on 20/04/2007 10:51 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    If anyone would like to co-operate with me on this document, much as
    the co-operative childrens' cycling leaflet was produced, I'd welcome
    collaborators. When it's finished I'll put it up on the web so that
    you can print it off and send it to your MP as an attachment to your
    personal letter.

    See my post above for why it matters that the Highway Code is right.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  6. [email hidden] wrote on 20/04/2007 15:21 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    18 out of the 21 women cyclists fatalities in London between 1999 and
    2004 were killed by HGVs.

    Don't forget the other one whose head was run over by a bus after it had
    knocked her off.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  7. Peter Clinch said:
    Andy Leighton said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have also used this portal...one of the few gov systems that seems
    to work well.

    Quoted message said:

    If you meanwww.writetothem.comit isn't a govt system. It was written
    by mysociety.org without govt. funding or input.

    That'll be why it works well and is remarkably easy to use... ;-/

    It's very easy to use indeed, and also lets you sign up to be alerted
    whenever certain words or phrases are used in parliment, so I've
    signed up for "railway" and "cycling".

    Meanwhile, I sent my local MP this:

    As you are probably already aware, the Department for Transport is
    about to publish a revised version of The Highway Code.
    Unfortunately,
    the drafts of this new version appear to be very bad news for
    cyclists,
    making it much harder to use bicycles as general transport.

    The old version contained various pieces of advice about using "cycle
    facilities" (tracks, cycle boxes at traffic lights, etc) but made
    clear
    that they were optional, which reflects the law.

    The new version appears to instruct cyclists that they must use such
    facilities whether they wish to or not. Given that many of the
    "facilities" which exist are either very inconvenient, badly designed,
    or downright dangerous, this new wording will have a very bad effect
    on
    cycling in general, and particularly on "utility cycling", i.e. riding
    to work or the shops instead of using a car.

    There's already a lot of abuse thrown at cyclists by car drivers who
    fail to understand that 30mph in towns is a maximum limit, and not the
    speed they should travel at all the time, if this new wording of the
    Highway Code is published then there will be far more "road rage"
    incidents where drivers abuse cyclists for not sticking to the cycle
    lanes, no matter how dangerous said lanes are.

    The Department of Transport did hold a consultation exercise, and many
    responses from cyclists were received, however they appear to have
    ignored all of these and carried on with the seemingly anti-cycling
    wording regardless. This is highy undemocratic and I would ask you to
    ask the Minister for Transport to halt publication of the new Code
    until the problems it poses for cyclists have been dealt with.

  8. Tony Raven said:
    Quoted message said:
    The Luggage said:

    I've just emailed my MP:

    Me too last weekend:

    Dear Mr Lansley

    [ snip ]

    Tony, any objection if I take most of your letter and send to my MP ?

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

  9. Nigel Cliffe wrote on 20/04/2007 20:28 +0100:

    Quoted message said:
    Tony Raven said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Luggage wrote:

    > I've just emailed my MP:


    Me too last weekend:

    Dear Mr Lansley

    [ snip ]

    Tony, any objection if I take most of your letter and send to my MP ?

    - Nigel

    Nope, go ahead.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  10. Simon Brooke said:

    While I personally believe that helmets are not useful in road safety, that
    isn't an argument I'm trying to have here, so certainly I'd consider
    toning it down. 'The current rule overemphasises the importance of
    cycle-helmets for safety' is good.

    ISTM that the main problem is that presented with "helmets aren't
    much good" an MP will probably ask the DfT, who will probably say
    "we commissioned a Road Safety Research document about that, see
    what it has to say", and because the RSR (#30 IIRC) has the
    mistaken impression that the Cochrane Database has done its job
    properly with respect to cycle helmets it assumes its
    self-referential authors are right when they say they're a Good
    Thing, and the MP will come away thinking that too, and your
    breifing is consequently not to be trusted so much.

    So if you're telling MPs about helmets at all I think you need to
    point out that the DfT's standard document on the matter is a lot
    of pants, and why. There's a fairly good deconstruction of why at
    cyclehelmets.org.

    Pete.
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    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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  11. in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

    (') said:

    Why does this matter?  Well first of all the Road Traffic Act says of
    the Highway Code:

    "A failure on the part of a person to observe any provision of The
    Highway Code shall not of itself render that person to criminal
    proceedings of any kind, but any such failure may in any proceedings
    (whether civil or criminal and including proceedings for an offence
    under the Traffic Acts, the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or
    sections 18 to 23 of the Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party
    to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability
    which is in question in those proceedings."

    So not using cycle facilities "wherever possible" could lead to cyclists
    being found as contributory negligent in any injuries or losses they
    sustain on the road.

    Tony, I've tried to add these points into my briefing document as point
    5.5. Do you remember what paragraph of the RTA you're quoting above?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    to err is human, to lisp divine
    ;; attributed to Kim Philby, oddly enough.

  12. in message <[email hidden]>, Nigel Cliffe

    (') said:
    Tony Raven said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Luggage wrote:

    > I've just emailed my MP:

    Me too last weekend:

    Dear Mr Lansley

    [ snip ]

    Tony, any objection if I take most of your letter and send to my MP ?

    It's probably better if you try to reword it a bit - multiple identical
    letters tend to be discounted.

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    For office use only. Please do not write or type below this line.

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    While I personally believe that helmets are not useful in road safety,
    that isn't an argument I'm trying to have here, so certainly I'd
    consider toning it down. 'The current rule overemphasises the importance
    of cycle-helmets for safety' is good.

    ISTM that the main problem is that presented with "helmets aren't
    much good" an MP will probably ask the DfT, who will probably say
    "we commissioned a Road Safety Research document about that, see
    what it has to say", and because the RSR (#30 IIRC) has the
    mistaken impression that the Cochrane Database has done its job
    properly with respect to cycle helmets it assumes its
    self-referential authors are right when they say they're a Good
    Thing, and the MP will come away thinking that too, and your
    breifing is consequently not to be trusted so much.

    So if you're telling MPs about helmets at all I think you need to
    point out that the DfT's standard document on the matter is a lot
    of pants, and why. There's a fairly good deconstruction of why at
    cyclehelmets.org.

    Yup. I don't think this is the right document to do that in. We're fighting
    a rearguard action here, and if the section on helmets in the new Highway
    Code is no worse than in the old I can live with that. What we /have/ to
    fix is the 'facilities... whenever possible' rule. I'd like to fix
    roundabouts as well, but even that's a lower priority. The facilities rule
    has to be the highest priority.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Morning had broken, and there was nothing left for us to do
    but pick up the pieces.

  14. On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:10:11 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Nigel Cliffe wrote on 20/04/2007 20:28 +0100:

    Quoted message said:
    Tony Raven said:

    > The Luggage wrote:
    >
    >> I've just emailed my MP:
    Me too last weekend:

    Dear Mr Lansley

    [ snip ]

    Tony, any objection if I take most of your letter and send to my MP ?

    - Nigel

    Nope, go ahead.

    But be aware that if you send it intact there is a possibility that it will be
    ignored as a duplicate.

    It is *far* better to use your own words (perhaps using Tony's letter as a
    template). Failing that, try and change at least one word per sentence so that
    automatic checking software will not notice the (permitted) plagiarism.

  15. Simon Brooke wrote on 20/04/2007 22:23 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

    (') said:

    Why does this matter? Well first of all the Road Traffic Act says of
    the Highway Code:

    "A failure on the part of a person to observe any provision of The
    Highway Code shall not of itself render that person to criminal
    proceedings of any kind, but any such failure may in any proceedings
    (whether civil or criminal and including proceedings for an offence
    under the Traffic Acts, the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or
    sections 18 to 23 of the Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party
    to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability
    which is in question in those proceedings."

    So not using cycle facilities "wherever possible" could lead to cyclists
    being found as contributory negligent in any injuries or losses they
    sustain on the road.

    Tony, I've tried to add these points into my briefing document as point
    5.5. Do you remember what paragraph of the RTA you're quoting above?

    s38 (7) Road Traffic Act 1988
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880052_en_2.htm#mdiv38

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  16. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Simon Brooke

    (') said:

    No, I thought I'd set up a Wiki - easier for us to work collaboratively
    on a single document. Unless someone else has a better idea?

    Suggestions from the online version.

    Change
    3.2.1 The current code says
    to
    3.2.1 The current code (revised 2004) says:
    etc for 3.3.1

    Place a line feed between 3.2.1.1 and 3.2.2 etc

    make the order of 4.4.x the same as 4.3.x

    5.1.1 Consideration of the Highway Code as it impacts cycling needs
    consideration of wider public policy objectives.

    I don't like the wording over the above, esp consideration twice in one
    sentence.

    5.1.1 Consideration of how the Highway Code impacts cycling needs to be
    weighed against wider public policy objectives
    OK weighed could be wrong here.

    5.1.3 Health
    Quota the BMA/BMJ if at all possible, and provide references.

    5.4 I like the current wording.

    5.5.2 A cyclist injured in a collision on the road when an alternative
    facility - no matter how dangerous or inconvenient - was available would
    find it extremely difficult obtain compensation if the current draft
    becomes the ruling code

    move the "was available" to before the "-no matter"

    5.5.2 A cyclist injured in a collision on the road when an alternative
    facility was available - no matter how dangerous or inconvenient - would
    find it extremely difficult obtain compensation if the current draft
    becomes the ruling code

    The problem with the above is it just makes us look like money grabbers,

  17. Ziggy said:
    Tony Raven said:

    Nigel Cliffe wrote on 20/04/2007 20:28 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Tony Raven wrote:
    >> The Luggage wrote:
    >>
    >>> I've just emailed my MP:
    > Me too last weekend:
    >
    > Dear Mr Lansley

    [ snip ]

    Tony, any objection if I take most of your letter and send to my MP
    ?

    - Nigel

    Nope, go ahead.

    But be aware that if you send it intact there is a possibility that
    it will be ignored as a duplicate.

    It is *far* better to use your own words (perhaps using Tony's letter
    as a template). Failing that, try and change at least one word per
    sentence so that automatic checking software will not notice the
    (permitted) plagiarism.

    Aware of that, planned to make various changes, but thanks for reminder.

    And thanks Tony for use of your text.

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

  18. Simon Brooke said:


    Yup. I don't think this is the right document to do that in. We're
    fighting a rearguard action here, and if the section on helmets in
    the new Highway Code is no worse than in the old I can live with
    that. What we /have/ to fix is the 'facilities... whenever possible'
    rule. I'd like to fix roundabouts as well, but even that's a lower
    priority. The facilities rule has to be the highest priority.

    Absolutely, compulsory facilities would be disastrous, everything else is
    minor in comparison.

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  19. Ian Smith said:
    David Damerell said:

    Quoting Pinky <[email hidden]>:

    That it ignores the massive response organised by the CTC.

    Quoted message said:

    CTC is totally silent on the matter at this time.

    This is not true; I have read about it in two CTC "newsnet" emails

    It does look horribly like they've just given up - oh well, too late
    now, mustn't rock the boat, etc etc.

    OK, I emailed some people, including some senior CTC people.

    The first interesting thing is that it seems as if even some people
    closely involved with CTC (on all the mailing lists, on committees,
    sort of people) have heard no more than me.

    But the main gist of what response I've had it is that CTC is working
    to see what it can do to prevent the HC laid before parliament being
    adopted. However, it doesn't want to make announcements until it
    knows exactly what it must do. I don't feel this argument is entirely
    convincing - it could at least put something on the web site saying
    "CTC believes the HC laid before parliament is bollocks and we're
    trying to get it stopped" (or words to that effect).

    The petition can't hurt, apparently. Writing to MPs (or Lords) can't
    hurt, but is not likely to result in amendment - I'm a bit hazy on
    the arcane workings of our democracy (?) but it's something like any
    MP or Lord can 'pray against' (?) the document laid before parliament.
    If any (or some critical number?) do, then a committee becomes
    involved. The committee cannot amend it, however, they can only
    recommend either complete acceptance or complete rejection. Even if
    they recommend complete rejection, the government has enough of a
    majority (and enough of that majority probably want cyclists out of
    the way anyway) that it will probably get whipped through.

    Writing to MPs will presumably help with keeping them aware that
    cyclists exist and have concerns, however. I've written to mine, but
    he's a complete waste of space in a guaranteed safe sinecure, who has
    never ever responded to previous letters or email.

    I still don't understand why the CTC can't at least say it doesn't
    like the amended version in public.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  20. in message <[email hidden]>, AndyMorris

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:


    Yup. I don't think this is the right document to do that in. We're
    fighting a rearguard action here, and if the section on helmets in
    the new Highway Code is no worse than in the old I can live with
    that. What we /have/ to fix is the 'facilities... whenever possible'
    rule. I'd like to fix roundabouts as well, but even that's a lower
    priority. The facilities rule has to be the highest priority.

    Absolutely, compulsory facilities would be disastrous, everything else is
    minor in comparison.

    OK, help me, guys!

    What is the original source of the figure about 85% of women killed in
    London killed by left-turning long vehicles? I believe it's TfL, but
    where?

    What proportion of utility journeys are by bicycle in (i) UK (ii)
    Netherlands (and what is the source for this data)?

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