During the day, usually in the afternoon, I get a funny taste in my mouth. It's almost a metallic taste. Also, I am more thirsty than usual. I already drink a good bit of water, averaging about 100 ounces per day for the past 3 months. I read the quote below that makes me wonder if I'm taking in too much protein.
"Eating a high-protein diet can cause dehydration if you don't drink a lot of water. Your body can use only so much protein each day. Any surplus must be converted into urea and excreted in the urine. The conversion requires a surprising amount of water--seven times what you'd need to metabolize the same number of calories in carbohydrates. That's why high-protein diets always call for extra fluids. It also explains why athletes on high-protein regimens are especially prone to water loss:
they not only sweat a lot, but also give up water for protein extraction.
Weight: 167 Protein: averaging 123 g/day (for the past 3 months) Water: averaging 97 oz/day (for the past 3 months) Running: about 40 MPW
Any thoughts on this?
Phil
-- If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu
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During the day, usually in the afternoon, I get a funny taste in my mouth. It's almost a metallic taste. Also, I am more thirsty than usual. I already drink a good bit of water, averaging about 100 ounces per day for the past 3 months. I read the quote below that makes me wonder if I'm taking in too much protein.
"Eating a high-protein diet can cause dehydration if you don't drink a lot of water. Your body can use only so much protein each day. Any surplus must be converted into urea and excreted in the urine. The conversion requires a surprising amount of water--seven times what you'd need to metabolize the same number of calories in carbohydrates. That's why high-protein diets always call for extra fluids. It also explains why athletes on high-protein regimens are especially prone to water loss:
they not only sweat a lot, but also give up water for protein extraction.
Weight: 167 Protein: averaging 123 g/day (for the past 3 months) Water: averaging 97 oz/day (for the past 3 months) Running: about 40 MPW
Any thoughts on this?
Phil
I'm by no means an expert but I had the same problem on my brief (2 week) high protein diet. I was eating about 130 g/day of protein, and I couldn't get enough water. Sometimes I would go through 3 20 oz. bottles of water in a half an hour. The weight loss was great. I lost like 6 pounds during the diet but felt like [censored] in the process. My situation was a little different than yours because I wasn't getting enough carbs either (also about 130 g/day), but I don't think the high protein helped matters. Once I got off the high protein diet I gained the 6 pounds back but I have a lot more energy and my training times have improved. What ratio of carbs/protein/fat are doing? I think I'm doing about 60/20/20.
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During the day, usually in the afternoon, I get a funny taste in my mouth. It's almost a metallic taste. Also, I am more thirsty than usual. I already drink a good bit of water, averaging about 100 ounces per day for the past 3 months. I read the quote below that makes me wonder if I'm taking in too much protein.
"Eating a high-protein diet can cause dehydration if you don't drink a lot of water. Your body can use only so much protein each day. Any surplus must be converted into urea and excreted in the urine. The conversion requires a surprising amount of water--seven times what you'd need to metabolize the same number of calories in carbohydrates. That's why high-protein diets always call for extra fluids. It also explains why athletes on high- protein regimens are especially prone to water loss:
they not only sweat a lot, but also give up water for protein extraction.
Weight: 167 Protein: averaging 123 g/day (for the past 3 months) Water: averaging 97 oz/day (for the past 3 months) Running: about 40 MPW
Any thoughts on this?
Phil
I'm by no means an expert but I had the same problem on my brief (2 week) high protein diet. I was eating about 130 g/day of protein, and I couldn't get enough water. Sometimes I would go through 3 20 oz. bottles of water in a half an hour. The weight loss was great. I lost like 6 pounds during the diet but felt like [censored] in the process. My situation was a little different than yours because I wasn't getting enough carbs either (also about 130 g/day), but I don't think the high protein helped matters. Once I got off the high protein diet I gained the 6 pounds back but I have a lot more energy and my training times have improved. What ratio of carbs/protein/fat are doing? I think I'm doing about 60/20/20.
Actually, I feel very good. My running is strong. It's just the funny taste and the thirst that makes me wonder what's going on.
This is my daily average for the past month: Carbohydrates - 353 grams 60% Protein - 150 grams, 25% Fat - 41 18 grams 15%
I've been using my weight as a guideline for protein intake. 1.2 to 1.8 grams/kg body weight/day, which at my present weight would be 91 to 136 grams per day. So I'm averaging slightly over the recommended high.
Phil -- If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu
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During the day, usually in the afternoon, I get a funny taste in my mouth. It's almost a metallic taste. Also, I am more thirsty than usual. I already drink a good bit of water, averaging about 100 ounces per day for the past 3 months. I read the quote below that makes me wonder if I'm taking in too much protein.
"Eating a high-protein diet can cause dehydration if you don't drink a lot of water. Your body can use only so much protein each day. Any surplus must be converted into urea and excreted in the urine. The conversion requires a surprising amount of water--seven times what you'd need to metabolize the same number of calories in carbohydrates. That's why high-protein diets always call for extra fluids. It also explains why athletes on high-protein regimens are especially prone to water loss:
they not only sweat a lot, but also give up water for protein extraction.
Weight: 167 Protein: averaging 123 g/day (for the past 3 months) Water: averaging 97 oz/day (for the past 3 months) Running: about 40 MPW
Any thoughts on this?
1) I would not say that for your body mass that 123 g/d is all that high. Consider that you weigh ~76kg and a common protein intake that is recommended is 1.5 g/kg, that gives you 113 g. 10 more grams is not all that much. I would not consider 123 g to be high for you. 2) I am not sure the metallic taste is necessarily related to protein.
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Phil
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During the day, usually in the afternoon, I get a funny taste in my mouth. It's almost a metallic taste. Also, I am more thirsty than usual. I already drink a good bit of water, averaging about 100 ounces per day for the past 3 months. I read the quote below that makes me wonder if I'm taking in too much protein.
"Eating a high-protein diet can cause dehydration if you don't drink a lot of water. Your body can use only so much protein each day. Any surplus must be converted into urea and excreted in the urine. The conversion requires a surprising amount of water--seven times what you'd need to metabolize the same number of calories in carbohydrates. That's why high-protein diets always call for extra fluids. It also explains why athletes on high-protein regimens are especially prone to water loss:
they not only sweat a lot, but also give up water for protein extraction.
Weight: 167 Protein: averaging 123 g/day (for the past 3 months) Water: averaging 97 oz/day (for the past 3 months) Running: about 40 MPW
Any thoughts on this?
1) I would not say that for your body mass that 123 g/d is all that high. Consider that you weigh ~76kg and a common protein intake that is recommended is 1.5 g/kg, that gives you 113 g. 10 more grams is not all that much. I would not consider 123 g to be high for you. 2) I am not sure the metallic taste is necessarily related to protein.
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Since at least half of your protein is surplus and being excreted, and protein is expensive, that gives new meaning to the "golden shower". Protein deficiency is another of those diet myths.
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Since at least half of your protein is surplus and being excreted, and protein is expensive, that gives new meaning to the "golden shower". Protein deficiency is another of those diet myths.
It's about 62 cents per day. I'm getting my extra protein from a whey powder supplement. It's $22 for a 5 pound tub. A 32 gram scoop of whey powder contains 22 grams of protein. If I'm doing the math correctly, 5 lbs = 2,268 grams. So the 5 pound tub contains 71 servings. If I = have 2 scoops a day. It comes out to about 62 cents per day for 44 grams of protein.
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Since at least half of your protein is surplus and being excreted, and protein is expensive, that gives new meaning to the "golden shower". Protein deficiency is another of those diet myths.
It's about 62 cents per day. I'm getting my extra protein from a whey powder supplement. It's $22 for a 5 pound tub. A 32 gram scoop of whey powder contains 22 grams of protein. If I'm doing the math correctly, 5
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= 2,268 grams. So the 5 pound tub contains 71 servings. If = I have 2 scoops a day. It comes out to about 62 cents per day for 44 grams of protein.
And if you are ingesting it at about 25 to 30 grams per 3 hour interval, very little of your protein will be surplus...unless your entire caloric intake is at a credit. I think you were talking 165 grams of protein or about 660 calories, which is quite easy for the body to metabolize even without intensive workouts.
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Since at least half of your protein is surplus and being excreted, and protein is expensive, that gives new meaning to the "golden shower". Protein deficiency is another of those diet myths.
What's the myth? I'm not taking the extra protein to stave of a deficiency, but to enhance my running/health program.
Phil
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I'm by no means an expert but I had the same problem on my brief (2 week) high protein diet. I was eating about 130 g/day of protein, and I couldn't get enough water. Sometimes I would go through 3 20 oz. bottles of water in a half an hour. The weight loss was great. I lost like 6 pounds during the diet but felt like [censored] in the process. My situation was a little different than yours because I wasn't getting enough carbs either (also about 130 g/day), but I don't think the high protein helped matters.
I think that has much more to do with low carb than it does high protein.
It's difficult to train on 130gm carb per day, and once your carb intake drops that low, you're going to need to allocate some of your carbs specifically for training (that is, about half of that 130gm carbs had better be consumed just before your workouts)
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Once I got off the high protein diet I gained
130gm/day is NOT a "high protein diet" unless you weigh 90lb or something.
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Actually, I feel very good. My running is strong. It's just the funny taste and the thirst that makes me wonder what's going on.
There are many things that cause this. I haven't heard of high protein causing this, I have heard of people with ketosis experiencing similar, but I just don't see how that's possible given your carb intake.
Your protein intake is not at all excessive, and even if we take that 70% number at face value, that water you're drinking should cover the excess just fine. I'd stick with it.
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Actually, I feel very good. My running is strong. It's just the funny taste and the thirst that makes me wonder what's going on.
There are many things that cause this. I haven't heard of high protein causing this, I have heard of people with ketosis experiencing similar, but I just don't see how that's possible given your carb intake.
Your protein intake is not at all excessive, and even if we take that 70% number at face value, that water you're drinking should cover the excess just fine. I'd stick with it.
Yes, I plan on it. My wife seems to think it could be early signs of diabetes. Not because of my health now, but because of how I used to be (245, no exercise).
However, distance runners DO need more protein than the 'average joe'.
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Since at least half of your protein is surplus and being excreted, and protein is expensive, that gives new meaning to the "golden shower". Protein deficiency is another of those diet myths
However, distance runners DO need more protein than the 'average joe'.
True and as you said in a different post, eat a balanced diet and don't worry about it. I've been doing long stuff for 15 years and never give my food much thought. I eat meat and fish and love my beans and rice (complex carbs) and simply worry about training with food coming along free for the ride.
All this diet [censored] does is cloud the nutrition issue to make a few bucks. I will admit, if I had a few less brews and skipped the simple carb desserts I might drop a few pounds but that would make me annoyingly perfect.
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that would make me annoyingly perfect.
Instead of perfectly annoying? ;-)
Phil
-- "A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying in other words that he is wiser today than he was yesterday." -Alexander Pope
