High Chloresterol Genes

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Hi all.. This is regarding people that have high chloresterol no

matter what

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they eat. I would like to know how can the body create chloresterol if

the

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person only eats vegetables for a whole month.. Will it be possible to

still

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have high chloresterol that way...and if so how? is the chloresterol

created

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from the body fat stored within the body? What are the magic

ingredients

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that the liver needs in order to create chloresterol?

Despite all that you might have heard about fat and cholesterol, cholesterol is actually synthetised
in liver from sugar as response to excess carbohydrates.

From what I have read, it is in fact unsure why saturated fat increases cholesterol - there is only
hypothesis that it *might* block metabolic pathways for cholesterol cleanup.... Monounsaturated
(olive oil) and polyunsaturated (generally vegetable oils) seem to lower LDL and increase HDL.

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I also have high chloresterol and am trying to go to extreme measures

to

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avoid taking the statin drugs.. And yes, even eating vegetables for a month..

I believe that rather than this, you should consider eating things that seem to improve lipid
levels. Eating *only* veggies might help, but not that much, and might worsen other health condition
AFAIK. At least, eat them with lots of olive oil 🙂

Also, there seems to be an indication that weight loss alone can improve lipid profiles - and ther
is also indication that very low fat diet does not work as well after weight loss phase is over.

Try google to find possible supplements From what I have considered: oat bran, flaxseed, some
special teas (pu erh), chinese red yeast, olive oil, fat fishes... (some of these in fact are not
supposed to improve lipids, but they have other favorable effects).

Mirek

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Hi all.. This is regarding people that have high chloresterol no matter what they eat. I would
like to know how can the body create chloresterol if the person only eats vegetables for a whole
month.. Will it be possible to still have high chloresterol that way

It is.

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...and if so how?

The liver is able to synthesize (make) it.

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is the chloresterol created from the body fat stored within the body?

The liver is able to make it from acetyl-coA (which comes from the breakdown of carbs, fats,
and/or protein).

For the nitty-gritty biochemistry:

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What are the magic ingredients that the liver needs in order to create chloresterol?

Food.

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I also have high chloresterol and am trying to go to extreme measures to avoid taking the statin
drugs.. And yes, even eating vegetables for a month..

If you are heavier than "ideal", that should also be addressed.

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thanks alot, mike

You are welcome :-)

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Hi all.. This is regarding people that have high chloresterol no matter what they eat. I would
like to know how can the body create chloresterol if the person only eats vegetables for a whole
month.. Will it be possible to still have high chloresterol that way...and if so how? is the
chloresterol created from the body fat stored within the body? What are the magic ingredients that
the liver needs in order to create chloresterol?

I also have high chloresterol and am trying to go to extreme measures to avoid taking the statin
drugs.. And yes, even eating vegetables for a month..

thanks alot, mike

Mike said: I would like to know how can the body create chloresterol...

Only animals create cholesterol. Human beings are animals. It is natural for us to create
cholesterol, own bodies need it and our brains need it. Lowering cholesterol to the arbitrary levels
determined by pharmaceutical interests can be detrimental to your body. In fact, several recent
studies say that if you are over 60 and do not have cardiovascular disease a high cholesterol level
is an advantage to longevity, not a disadvantage. For more information on cholesterol read the
following websites. They will give you another side to the cholesterol issue. I am not saying they
are *right*, merely another, thoughtful point of view for those of us with familial
hypercholesterolemia to consider.

The Cholesterol Myths ravnskov.nucholesterol.htmOpen ↗

Health Heart health-heart.orghealth-heart.orgOpen ↗

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics thincs.orgthincs.orgOpen ↗

Weston A. Price Foundation westonaprice.orgwestonaprice.orgOpen ↗

B'adant Total cholesterol: 507, ldl 429, tris and hdl good. Age 61 (still here...) No statins, no
supplements, no hormones, no avoidance of any food, and no cardiovascular disease

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Try google to find possible supplements From what I have considered: oat bran,

i dont understand how oatbran could help chloresterol levels..it is so high in carbohydrates..

i kept my carbs under about 50 grams a day for 8 months and my cholesterol went up to 260. i wasn't
eating much red meat or eggs etc either. (my tg were very low and my hdl was great though) janet

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Despite all that you might have heard about fat and cholesterol, cholesterol is actually
synthetised in liver from sugar as response to excess carbohydrates.

"mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

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Try google to find possible supplements From what I have considered: oat bran,

i dont understand how oatbran could help chloresterol levels..it is so high in carbohydrates..

It is also high in a type of carbohydrate that is not metabolized. That fiber helps with
cholesterol control.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

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i kept my carbs under about 50 grams a day for 8 months and my

cholesterol

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went up to 260. i wasn't eating much red meat or eggs etc either. (my tg were very low and my hdl
was great though)

Went up from what level? (Just curious). And what are your HDL levels?

Mirek

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i dont understand how oatbran could help chloresterol levels..it is so

high

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in carbohydrates..

But a lot of that is fiber that cannot be metabolized and is very likely the cause of lowering lipid
levels by oat bran.

OTOH, oatbran is supplement I decided to limit in favor of flaxseed, because flaxseed has more
fiber, less digestible carbs and also a lot of favorable fats (omega-3), so that it should reduce
inflamation levels too (as I understand the issue...).

Mirek

went up from around 210 to 260 on the low carb diet. my hdl has always been above 65.

(been taking 1 red rice yeast capsule for a few months and my TC is 192, hdl is 86, my ldl was
154, now 96)

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i kept my carbs under about 50 grams a day for 8 months and my

cholesterol

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went up to 260. i wasn't eating much red meat or eggs etc either. (my tg were very low and my
hdl was great though)

Went up from what level? (Just curious). And what are your HDL levels?

Mirek

Thanks alot for all the info guys and gals.. I have one last question on supplements.. How do you
feel on Milk Thistle? its suppose to clean out the liver.. I had high bilirubin for several years
and took the supplement for several months and my bilirubin went down alot..Do u think it will help
with chloresterol too?

And Olive Oil capsules/softgels... I thought there would be a major nutrition company in the U.S.
that would be manufacturing these by now..and there isnt....from all the searching i have done..
Because i figured, i would much rather swallow the supplements then using it with food or taking a
tablespoon or 2 a day.. It tastes so nasty.. Maybe a milk thistle/olive oil softgel would be a
perfect supplement.

mike

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went up from around 210 to 260 on the low carb diet. my hdl has always

been

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above 65.

(been taking 1 red rice yeast capsule for a few months and my TC is

192, hdl

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is 86, my ldl was 154, now 96)

Still on LC ?

Mirek

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And Olive Oil capsules/softgels... I thought there would be a major nutrition company in the U.S.
that would be manufacturing these by

now..and

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there isnt....from all the searching i have done.. Because i figured,

i

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would much rather swallow the supplements then using it with food or

taking

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a tablespoon or 2 a day.. It tastes so nasty.. Maybe a milk

thistle/olive

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oil softgel would be a perfect supplement.

I think you can get used to olive oil. I hated it too, 4 month ago (before going LC). Now I like it.

I think that you can first try it to fry vegetables, taste of hot olive oil goes well with taste of
most vegetables. Just fry some onion, add vegetables, mushrooms, garlic, spices... eh sorry, I
forgot I am not in alt.support.low-carb group now 🙂

Mirek

It seems to me I heard somewhere that mike wrote in article
<[email hidden]>:

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Thanks alot for all the info guys and gals.. I have one last question on supplements.. How do you
feel on Milk Thistle? its suppose to clean out the liver.. I had high bilirubin for several years
and took the supplement for several months and my bilirubin went down alot..Do u think it will help
with chloresterol too?

Arthritis sufferers who are on medications of types and dosages that may negatively affect liver
function sometimes take milk thistle extract to reduce the potential impact. I haven't looked for or
read about clinical studies, but have seen many anecdotal posts that liver enzymes have normalized
after beginning milk thistle extract.

I can't relate this to "cleaning out the liver," however, since I don't know what that term means.
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Don [email hidden]

well actually yes. i am no longer hypertensive. my tg is better than ever and my hdl is great and
now my tc is good with the red rice yeast. weight is easy to maintain and i have better energy.

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went up from around 210 to 260 on the low carb diet. my hdl has always

been

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above 65.

(been taking 1 red rice yeast capsule for a few months and my TC is

192, hdl

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is 86, my ldl was 154, now 96)

Still on LC ?

Mirek