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Tarapia Tapioco · 2004-07-05T10:49:40+00:00

better yet, tell the group how to best treat melanoma

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Tarapia Tapioco
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5 July 2004, 10:49 UTC #1

better yet, tell the group how to best treat melanoma

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Vera Teasdale
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5 July 2004, 10:50 UTC #2

wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee willie
winkie must be hard working in an empty office with a one
page web site to build your business
it must be really lonely at the top, eh?
maybe this will help awake the memories
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Ilena Rose
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5 July 2004, 10:50 UTC #3

On 29 Jun 2004 19:59:05 -0700, [email hidden] (Vera
Teasdale) is really Terry A Polevoy ... now Zit Doctor ...
who left America for some unknown reason ... and fled to
Canada ...
On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
([email hidden]) wrote:
Everyone knows (except Myrl Jeffcoat, mentored by Ted "Nana"
Nidiffer) that Polevoy stupidly gave away his own disguise
on June 13th
Will he be donning high heels also, when he, as Nidiffer so
well put it, "sings to the Supremes"???
www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm
www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#nana

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Ilena Rose
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5 July 2004, 10:50 UTC #4

On 29 Jun 2004 19:59:05 -0700, [email hidden] (Vera
Teasdale) is really Terry A Polevoy ... now Zit Doctor ...
who left America for some unknown reason ... and fled to
Canada ...
On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
([email hidden]) wrote:
Everyone knows (except Myrl Jeffcoat, mentored by Ted "Nana"
Nidiffer, and now Colealh Penley Ayers also) that Polevoy
stupidly gave away his own disguise on June 13th
Will he be donning high heels also, when he, as Nidiffer so
well put it, "sings to the Supremes"???
www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm
www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#nana

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Orac
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5 July 2004, 10:50 UTC #5

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ilena Rose said:
On 29 Jun 2004 19:59:05 -0700, [email hidden] (Vera
Teasdale) is really Terry A Polevoy ... now Zit Doctor ...
who left America for some unknown reason ... and fled to
Canada ...
You mean the same way you fled to Costa Rica? ;-)
[Snip]
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

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Jan
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #6

Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Hey Terry Polevoy!
From: [email hidden] (Vera Teasdale)
Date: 6/29/2004 6:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee willie
winkie must be hard working in an empty office with a one
page web site to build your business
it must be really lonely at the top, eh?
maybe this will help awake the memories
On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
([email hidden]) wrote:

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Peter Bowditch
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #7

(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Hey Terry Polevoy! From: [email hidden]
(Vera Teasdale) Date: 6/29/2004 6:59 PM Pacific Standard
Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>
wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee willie
winkie must be hard working in an empty office with a one
page web site to build your business
it must be really lonely at the top, eh?
maybe this will help awake the memories
On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
([email hidden]) wrote:
I assume that there has been some breakdown in the
distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem to have
missed the ones where Jan has criticised Mr William P
O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research Group for posting
under false names, telling lies about web sites being closed
down, bringing people's families into the discussion by
saying that their children have attempted suicide,
belittling people by suggesting that they are bankrupt, and
using nasty words like
Unless she has been quiet because he is one of her
*gang* ...
--
Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project
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ratbags.comloon To email me use my first name
only at ratbags.com

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Terry Polevoy
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #8

Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his anonymous
friends have been bashing those people who support the
proper medical and surgical treatment of cancer on Usenet
for years. Lately it has really gotten nasty with help from
Ilena Rosenthal who is hiding out in Costa Rica.
He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site dedicated to
cancer quackery.
healthwatcher.netindex.html
Follow the links to Tyrell Dueck and other tragedies.
Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country Checkup
archive from March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell Dueck situation
is discussed. Rex Murphy is the host of the show. It is a
classic and should be required listening for any family who
has a child or loved one with terminal cancer.
O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no idea of
who he was. I have never heard anyone on this show who was
ever given that long to present their point of view.
Right after O'Neill's appearance was the testimony of Owen
Griffiths, Dueck's advocate and family attorney.
google.comsearch
8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Owen+Griffiths%22+dueck
You can hear Bill's two-cents at around 37 minutes into the
show. Those who support his CCRG really have to pay
attention to reality. Do not get hooked on irrational
explanations, and don't pay anyone to help give you get
information about cancer treatment in Canada who is not
qualified to do so.
Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment, and
don't waste your money on alternative care. It does NOT
work. These operations are run by unqualified entrepreneurs
who have one thing in mind - YOUR MONEY!!!!
Play it now with your RealPlayer:
switchboard.real.comemail.html
tle=Cross%20Country%20Checkup%20March%2021%2C%201999&link=h-
ttp%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20000919061837%2Fhttp%3-
A%2F%2Fwww.ideas.cbc.ca%2Fprograms%2Fcheckup%2Farchive%2F99-
0321%5Fccc.ram
Note: This content may require the latest RealPlayer,
which is not available on Windows 95, Mac OS9 or
Linux systems.
!# Terry Polevoy, MD 938 King St. West Kitchener, Ontario,
!# N2G 1G4 Canada 519-725-2263 -- 725-4953 fax
!# healthwatcher.nethealthwatcher.net - Consumer Health Watchdog
!# healthwatcher.netabout.html -
!# About Dr.
Terry Polevoy's Canadian Quackerywatch
!# pigpills.compigpills.com - Pig Pills, Inc. - The True
!# Story of
Truehope.com & Synergy Group
!# dietfraud.comdietfraud.com - Diet and Weight Loss Alerts
!# herbalwatch.comherbalwatch.com - Herbal Warnings and Scams
!# groups.yahoo.comdietfraud - Yahoo Groups
!# chirowatch.comchirowatch.com - Chiropractic risks & fraud
!# acupuncture911.comacupuncture911.com - Acupuncture dangers
!# acnecareclinics.comacnecareclinics.com - Acne Care Clinics
Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Hey Terry Polevoy! From: [email hidden]
(Vera Teasdale) Date: 6/29/2004 6:59 PM Pacific Standard
Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>
wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee willie
winkie must be hard working in an empty office with a
one page web site to build your business
it must be really lonely at the top, eh?
maybe this will help awake the memories
On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
([email hidden]) wrote:
I assume that there has been some breakdown in the
distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem to have
missed the ones where Jan has criticised Mr William P
O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research Group for posting
under false names, telling lies about web sites being
closed down, bringing people's families into the
discussion by saying that their children have attempted
suicide, belittling people by suggesting that they are
bankrupt, and using nasty words like
Quoted message said:

Unless she has been quiet because he is one of her
*gang* ...

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Dave Wickware
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #9

Anyone who pushes a one note, narrow agenda, that ignores
the aids that traditional medicine offers (for 100 years)
and anyone who ignores the benefits that natural remedies
afford (for 10,000 years) is indeed narrow minded and, in my
opinion, is simply not trustorthy to offer healing.
"Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his anonymous
friends have been bashing those people who support the
proper medical and surgical treatment of cancer on Usenet
for years. Lately it has really gotten nasty with help
from Ilena Rosenthal who is hiding out in Costa Rica.
He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site dedicated to
cancer quackery.
healthwatcher.netindex.h
tml Follow the links to Tyrell Dueck and other tragedies.
Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country Checkup
archive from March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell Dueck
situation is discussed. Rex Murphy is the host of the
show. It is a classic and should be required listening
for any family who has a child or loved one with
terminal cancer.
O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no idea of
who he was. I have never heard anyone on this show who was
ever given that long to present their point of view.
Right after O'Neill's appearance was the testimony of Owen
Griffiths, Dueck's advocate and family attorney.

google.comsearch
8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Owen+Griffiths%22+dueck
Quoted message said:

You can hear Bill's two-cents at around 37 minutes into
the show. Those who support his CCRG really have to pay
attention to reality. Do not get hooked on irrational
explanations, and don't pay anyone to help give you get
information about cancer treatment in Canada who is not
qualified to do so.
Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment, and
don't waste your money on alternative care. It does NOT
work. These operations are run by unqualified
entrepreneurs who have one thing in mind - YOUR MONEY!!!!
Play it now with your RealPlayer:

switchboard.real.comemail.html
tle=Cross%20Country%20Checkup%20March%2021%2C%201999&link=h-
ttp%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20000919061837%2Fhttp%3-
A%2F%2Fwww.ideas.cbc.ca%2Fprograms%2Fcheckup%2Farchive%2F99-
0321%5Fccc.ram
Quoted message said:

Note: This content may require the latest RealPlayer,
which is not available on Windows 95, Mac OS9 or
Linux systems.
!# Terry Polevoy, MD 938 King St. West Kitchener, Ontario,
!# N2G 1G4 Canada 519-725-2263 -- 725-4953 fax
!# healthwatcher.nethealthwatcher.net - Consumer Health Watchdog
!# healthwatcher.netabout.html -
!# About Dr.
Terry Polevoy's Canadian Quackerywatch
!# pigpills.compigpills.com - Pig Pills, Inc. - The True
!# Story of
Truehope.com & Synergy Group
!# dietfraud.comdietfraud.com - Diet and Weight Loss Alerts
!# herbalwatch.comherbalwatch.com - Herbal Warnings and Scams
!# groups.yahoo.comdietfraud - Yahoo Groups
!# chirowatch.comchirowatch.com - Chiropractic risks & fraud
!# acupuncture911.comacupuncture911.com - Acupuncture dangers
!# acnecareclinics.comacnecareclinics.com - Acne Care Clinics
Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
(Jan) said:
>Subject: Re: Hey Terry Polevoy! From: [email hidden]
>(Vera Teasdale) Date: 6/29/2004 6:59 PM Pacific
>Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee
>willie winkie must be hard working in an empty office
>with a one page web site to build your business
>
>it must be really lonely at the top, eh?
>
>maybe this will help awake the memories
On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
([email hidden]) wrote:
I assume that there has been some breakdown in the
distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem to
have missed the ones where Jan has criticised Mr William
P O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research Group for
posting under false names, telling lies about web sites
being closed down, bringing people's families into the
discussion by saying that their children have attempted
suicide, belittling people by suggesting that they are
bankrupt, and using nasty words like
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Unless she has been quiet because he is one of her
*gang* ...

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M.A.R.K P.R.O.B
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #10

"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Anyone who pushes a one note, narrow agenda, that ignores
the aids that traditional medicine offers (for 100 years)
Amongst those aids were cocaine, snake oil,
bloodletting, etc.
Quoted message said:
and anyone who ignores the benefits that natural remedies
afford (for

10,000
Quoted message said:
years)
Only 10,000 years? you have got to be kidding. You have
never read the book "Neanderthal Medicine" by I. M. Extinct.
Quoted message said:
is indeed narrow minded and,
Always a good idea to accuse your opponents, real and
imaginary, of being narrow minded. Straigt from the syllabus
in MLM 101.
Quoted message said:
in my opinion, is simply not trustorthy to offer healing.
Well, I admit that I am not trustorthy, whatver that is.
Quoted message said:
"Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his
anonymous friends have been bashing those people who
support the proper medical and surgical treatment of
cancer on Usenet for years. Lately it has really gotten
nasty with help from Ilena Rosenthal who is hiding out
in Costa Rica.
He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site dedicated to
cancer quackery.
healthwatcher.netindex
.html Follow the links to Tyrell Dueck and other
tragedies.
Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country Checkup
archive from March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell Dueck
situation is discussed. Rex Murphy is the host of the
show. It is a classic and should be required listening
for any family who has a child or loved one with
terminal cancer.
O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no
idea of who he was. I have never heard anyone on this
show who was ever given that long to present their
point of view.
Right after O'Neill's appearance was the testimony of
Owen Griffiths, Dueck's advocate and family attorney.

google.comsearch
8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Owen+Griffiths%22+dueck
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

You can hear Bill's two-cents at around 37 minutes into
the show. Those who support his CCRG really have to pay
attention to reality. Do not get hooked on irrational
explanations, and don't pay anyone to help give you get
information about cancer treatment in Canada who is not
qualified to do so.
Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment, and
don't waste your money on alternative care. It does NOT
work. These operations are run by unqualified
entrepreneurs who have one thing in mind - YOUR
MONEY!!!!
Play it now with your RealPlayer:

switchboard.real.comemail.html
tle=Cross%20Country%20Checkup%20March%2021%2C%201999&link=h-
ttp%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20000919061837%2Fhttp%3-
A%2F%2Fwww.ideas.cbc.ca%2Fprograms%2Fcheckup%2Farchive%2F99-
0321%5Fccc.ram
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Note: This content may require the latest RealPlayer,
which is not available on Windows 95, Mac OS9 or
Linux systems.
!# Terry Polevoy, MD 938 King St. West Kitchener,
!# Ontario, N2G 1G4 Canada 519-725-2263 -- 725-4953 fax
!# healthwatcher.nethealthwatcher.net - Consumer Health
!# Watchdog healthwatcher.nethealthwatcher.net
!# about.html - About Dr.
Terry Polevoy's Canadian Quackerywatch
!# pigpills.compigpills.com - Pig Pills, Inc. - The True
!# Story of
Truehope.com & Synergy Group
!# dietfraud.comdietfraud.com - Diet and Weight Loss
!# Alerts herbalwatch.comherbalwatch.com - Herbal Warnings
!# and Scams groups.yahoo.comdietfraud -
!# Yahoo Groups chirowatch.comchirowatch.com - Chiropractic
!# risks & fraud acupuncture911.comacupuncture911.com -
!# Acupuncture dangers acnecareclinics.comacnecareclinics.com -
!# Acne Care Clinics
Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in
message

news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Hey Terry Polevoy! From:
>>[email hidden] (Vera Teasdale) Date: 6/29/2004
>>6:59 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>><[email hidden]>
>>
>>wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee
>>willie winkie must be hard working in an empty
>>office with a one page web site to build your
>>business
>>
>>it must be really lonely at the top, eh?
>>
>>maybe this will help awake the memories
>
>On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
>([email hidden]) wrote:
I assume that there has been some breakdown in the
distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem to
have missed the ones where Jan has criticised Mr
William P O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research
Group for posting under false names, telling lies
about web sites being closed down, bringing people's
families into the discussion by saying that their
children have attempted suicide, belittling people by
suggesting that they are bankrupt, and using nasty
words like
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Unless she has been quiet because he is one of her
*gang* ...

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Terry Polevoy
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #11

Poor Dave, I guess he's run out of ginseng suppliers to
treat cancer patients in Southwestern Ontario. So here is my
spin on why Wickware and his ilk are predators on those who
listen to them, and who buy their products.
THE FACTS
1. Alternative therapy for cancer shortens survival. In
other words people who use alternative therapies don't
suffer as long as those who don't use alternative
therapy. They just die sooner.
2. Dave Wickware and his supporters on the internet, by
offering alternative advice, or by selling unproved
ginseng or other remedies to customers are actually
reducing the suffering of people with cancer. Boy, that
logic fails to hit them very hard.
3. The government, especially in Canada, doesn't have the
resources to prosecute these people. Many charges brought
against Canadian-based quacks have actually been brought
by the U.S. government. The cancer quacks continue to
thrive in Canada because the government just doesn't
understand that quacks like Wickware, and licensed
doctors like Ravi Devgan (who just had his license
revoked) are all swimming in the same cesspool.
4. My web site profiles many Canadian quacks and scam
artists who have contributed to the early deaths of many
people, both in Canada, and in their offshore or Mexican
operations over the years. It was Canadian doctors and
politicians who favour a hands-off approach to
alternative medicine who directly contributed to the
promotion of these early deaths.
healthwatcher.netindex.html
Some of them have invented cures in the form of "magnets",
some have used i.v. ginseng, ozone, hydrogen peroxide. Why
even the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine is
heavily supported by companies that make things like ESSIAC,
a totally useless herbal legend. And don't forget the QXCI
people who import these wacko computer programs and
biofeedback interfaces to treat cancer, and who teach others
how to use them to defraud the public. There are even MDs
who contribute to the scams.
5. Wickware and others who prey on the weak who have
cancer, or who have children with cancer will never be
brought under control unless the government passes
legislation that protects the public. It may be a free
country up here in Canada, but these vultures are not
free to pick the flesh from those who are about to die,
and tell them that they will be cured. This is not hope,
it is criminal.
6. One of the most notorious cancer quack operations, CSCT
that marketed the Zoetron scam device, started right here
in Kitchener-Waterloo. Did the Canadian government go
after them. Yeah right. Don't hold your breath.
consumeraffairs.comzoetron.html
healthwatcher.netZoetron
CSCT's Zoetron - Not a Cancer Cure "People who went there
were intelligent people," she said. "They were smart, they
were funny. They believed in God. They all had one thing in
common, though - they were going to die."
Shelia Lewandowski, daughter of victim
7. Wickware and his associate psychic operation provides the
world with a fine example of cancer quackery. Of course
their proof that what they do actually works is evident
in their Yellow Page ad. One of them joined the Chamber
of Commerce which is all you need in this town to gain
credibility. And then tack on a few fake initials and a
PhD or two, and they are just as credible as all the
other Toms, [censored], or Harriets who sell junk to their
customers in their health food stores, or who do
Vegatesting, or who stick non-sterile needles into their
victims in the guise of practicing Chinese Medicine.
SURE DAVE - ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE REALLY WORKS - AND YOU CAN
PROVE IT CAN'T YOU!!!
RESOURCES YOU SHOULD NOT MISS
cancer.orgNWS 1 1x Compleme
ntary_and_Alternative_Medicine_Use_on_the_Rise.asp
quackwatch.orgaltseek.html
quackwatch.orgharm
quack.html
EVIDENCE IS PLAINLY THERE FOR ALL TO SEE
DiBella quack from Italy mesmerized quacks in Canada who
convinced the media that he was the king of cancer therapy.
Trouble is his treatments killed people.
Di Bella's "miracle" cancer cure shortens survival The Di
Bella therapy, a cancer treatment touted as a cure for up to
100% of patients, actually provides results far worse than
standard cancer treatments, study results show.
The therapy program was developed in Italy by Dr. Luigi Di
Bella, who claims to have treated more than 10,000 patients
over the past 20 years. Di Bella's drug cocktail consists of
a low dose of cyclophosphamide -- a chemotherapy drug --
plus various other drugs and vitamins. Di Bella is a
physiologist, a scientist who studies how the body works.
With Di Bella's cooperation, a research team led by Dr. Eva
Buiatti, from Azienda USL Firenze in Florence, Italy,
reviewed the medical records of 314 patients who received
the Di Bella therapy. All but four had also received
standard treatments.
Compared with patients identified in the Italian cancer
registry, who received only standard therapies, patients who
received the Di Bella therapy "showed lower survival
probability over both the short term and the long term for
all the cancer sites considered," Buiatti's team reports in
the November 15th issue of Cancer.
Specifically, patients who received only standard treatment
were twice as likely to survive compared with patients
treated by Di Bella. Buiatti and colleagues conclude that
"results from this study do not support any evidence of the
(effectiveness) of the anticancer strategy proposed by Dr.
Di Bella."
The Di Bella therapy came to national attention in Italy,
and the Italian courts, when a number of Di Bella's patients
organized and demanded that Italian hospitals provide the
therapy free of charge. So the Italian government funded a
study of the Di Bella therapy at 26 cancer clinics
throughout the country. A total of 386 patients were treated
with the Di Bella therapy under the supervision of other
physicians. In a separate report in the journal Cancer, Dr.
Giuseppe Traversa, from Instituto Superiore di Sanita in
Rome, Italy, and colleagues report that fewer than 1% of
patients experienced a partial response to treatment. None
achieved a complete halt to their cancer. Traversa's group
concludes that the study results are "incompatible with the
initial claim that (the Di Bella therapy) might represent a
cure for any type of cancer."
"Alternative medicine is a poor alternative to conventional
medicine,"
Dr. Paul Calabresi, from Brown University School of Medicine
in Providence, Rhode Island, argues in a journal
editorial. "By replacing worthwhile mainstream
therapies, it robs many people with potentially curable
cancer of precious time and a chance for survival."
From Paul Lee's Healthbase web site:
geocities.comcancer norway.html
SOURCE: Cancer 1999;86:1887-1889, 1903-1911, 2143-2149.
Eur J Cancer 2003 Feb;39(3):372-7 ncbi.nlm.nih.g-ncbi.nlm.nih.g-
ov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=12565-
991&dopt=Citation
Risberg T, Vickers A, Bremnes RM, Wist EA, Kaasa S,
Cassileth BR.
Department of Oncology, University Hospital of Tromso,
Tromso, Norway
This study examines the association between alternative
medicines (AM) and cancer survival. A national multicentre
study was carried out in Norway in December 1992 to assess
the prevalence of AM use among cancer patients. One of the
aims of this study was to assess the association between AM
and long-time survival. In January 2001, survival data were
obtained with a follow-up of 8 years for 515 cancer
patients. A total of 112 (22%) assessable patients used AM.
During the follow-up period, 350 patients died. Death rates
were higher in AM users (79%) than in those who did not use
AM (65%). In a Cox regression model adjusted for
demographic, disease and treatment factors, the hazard ratio
of death for any use of AM compared with no use was 1.30,
(95% Confidence Interval (CI) 0.99, 1.70; P=0.056),
suggesting that AM use may predict a shorter survival.
Sensitivity analyses strengthened the negative association
between AM use and survival. AM use had the most detrimental
effect in patients with an ECOG (Eastern Cooperative
Oncology Group) performance status (PS) of 0 (hazard ratio
for use=2.32, 95% CI, 1.44, 3.74, P=0.001), when compared
with an ECOG PS of 1 or higher. The use of AM seems to
predict a shorter survival from cancer. The effect appears
predominantly in patients with a good PS.
PMID: 12565991 [PubMed - in process]
Alternative medicine use by cancer patients associated with
shorter survival
POSTED 03.19.2003
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The mortality rate among
patients with cancer is higher in those who use alternative
medicines than in those who do not, according to a report in
the February issue of the European Journal of Cancer.
Ds. Terje Risberg, of the University Hospital of Tromso,
Norway, and colleagues examined the use of alternative
medicines by cancer patients at multiple centers in
Norway, and assessed the effect on long-term survival.
The 515 patients in the study were followed for 8 years.
Three hundred fifty patients (68%) died during follow-up,
according to the team. Alternative medicines were used by
112 patients (22%). Of these, 88 (79%) died during follow-
up, compared with 262 of the 403 patients (65%) who did not
use alternative medicine.
In an adjusted Cox regression model, the hazard ratio of
death associated with alternative medicine use compared with
no use was 1.30 (p = 0.056). The investigators observed no
differences between different types of alternative medicine.
"Alternative medicine use had the most detrimental effect in
patients with an ECOG (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group)
performance status (PS) of 0 (hazard ratio for use = 2.32; p
= 0.001), when compared with an ECOG PS of 1 or higher," Dr.
Risberg and colleagues report.
The investigators believe this is the first study to show a
negative correlation between alternative medicine use and
survival. They express doubt that the effect is causal,
since the alternative methods used "seem rather innocuous,"
and surmise that alternative medicine use may be a marker of
some other unrecognized prognostic factor.
Even though the analysis controlled for disease severity,
Dr. Risberg and colleagues suggest that alternative medicine
use may reflect patients' perceptions of their prognosis.
"Indeed," they write, "patients may estimate the gravity of
their situation more accurately than their physicians." asco.org1,1003, 12 002123 00 18 0026602
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Google search: google.comsearch
ent&q=norway+cancer+use+of+%22alternative+medicine%22
Alternative treatments for cancer increase mortality
A study just published in the Journal for the Norwegian
Medical Association concludes that patients who seek
alternative treatment in addition to traditional medicine
have a greater mortality than those who only accept the
prescribed treatment. The study by Terje Risberg et al
investigated 515 cancer patients with a follow-up of 8
years. 22% of these patients sought alternative treatment.
79 % of these died in the period, as compared to 65 % of
non-users.
The study concludes it is unlikely that the treatment is
dangerous in itself. Rather, it points to a number of
possible reasons for this effect. One may be that cancer
patients who seek alternative treatment are slower in
contacting medical professionals if the cancer returns.
blogs.salon.com06.html
Here are some interesting links:
Childhood cancer
nccf.orgfacts.asp
Breast cancer
imaginis.comstatistics.asp
Cancer survival hc-sc.gc.cameas
haut/mu_j_e.html
The Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER)
Program of the National Cancer Institute
seer.cancer.govseer.cancer.gov
SEER Cancer Statistics Review, 1973-1999
seer.cancer.gov1973 1999
Cancer prevalence
srab.cancer.govcanques.html
Here you can find all the cancer survival statistics http:/-
/surveillance.cancer.gov/statistics/types/survival.html
CancerHelp UK
cancerhelp.org.ukdefault.asp
Google search google.comsearch
nt&q=cancer+survival+statistics
If you still want to look at the dismal side, then focus on
the increased cancer incidence. This is an interesting
phenomena, since it only exists because of the success of
antibiotics, vaccinations, and improved medical care,
hygiene, nutrition, etc. Earlier not as many people lived
long enough to get cancer, Parkinsons, MS, etc.
If you want to effectively lower the cancer incidence, just
support the anti-vaccinationists. If they succeed,
overpopulation will no longer be a problem. Not enough
people will survive, and if they do, they won't get old
enough to get cancer. There will simply be fewer people in
those age and risk brackets.
Vaccination Links
geocities.comvaccination.html
Anti-vaccination Liars
ratbags.comvaxliars1.htm
The Green Light - Vaccination
ratbags.comvaccines1.htm
The Anti-Immunization Activists: A Pattern of Deception
pathguy.comantiimmu.htm
The bottom line is this: Even if modern medical science did
worse at treating cancer than it does, you have nothing
effective to offer instead of it -- not Hulda Clark, not
Laetrile, not Essiac, not Cansema, not Zappers, not bowel,
liver and gall bladder cleanses, nothing, zilch, zero. There
are certain lifestyle habits that can improve or lessen your
chances of getting and dying of cancer. These things aren't
among them. The only thing one can do is to live a sensible
lifestyle and quit worrying. Using alt med won't help you.
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Anyone who pushes a one note, narrow agenda, that ignores
the aids that traditional medicine offers (for 100 years)
and anyone who ignores the benefits that natural remedies
afford (for 10,000 years) is indeed narrow minded and, in
my opinion, is simply not trustorthy to offer healing.
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Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his
anonymous friends have been bashing those people who
support the proper medical and surgical treatment of
cancer on Usenet for years. Lately it has really gotten
nasty with help from Ilena Rosenthal who is hiding out
in Costa Rica.
He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site dedicated to
cancer quackery.
healthwatcher.netindex
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tragedies.
Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country Checkup
archive from March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell Dueck
situation is discussed. Rex Murphy is the host of the
show. It is a classic and should be required listening
for any family who has a child or loved one with
terminal cancer.
O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no
idea of who he was. I have never heard anyone on this
show who was ever given that long to present their
point of view.
Right after O'Neill's appearance was the testimony of
Owen Griffiths, Dueck's advocate and family attorney.

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attention to reality. Do not get hooked on irrational
explanations, and don't pay anyone to help give you get
information about cancer treatment in Canada who is not
qualified to do so.
Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment, and
don't waste your money on alternative care. It does NOT
work. These operations are run by unqualified
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>>wonders of wonders another italian jobber for wee
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distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem to
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William P O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research
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about web sites being closed down, bringing people's
families into the discussion by saying that their
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #12

Narrowmindedness and being too lazy to research information
seem to be your true forte. You are very "special".
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 1, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Anyone who pushes a one note, narrow agenda, that
ignores the aids that traditional medicine offers (for
100 years)
Amongst those aids were cocaine, snake oil,
bloodletting, etc.
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and anyone who ignores the benefits that natural
remedies afford (for

10,000
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years)
Only 10,000 years? you have got to be kidding. You have
never read the

book
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"Neanderthal Medicine" by I. M. Extinct.
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is indeed narrow minded and,
Always a good idea to accuse your opponents, real and
imaginary, of being narrow minded. Straigt from the
syllabus in MLM 101.
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in my opinion, is simply not trustorthy to offer
healing.
Well, I admit that I am not trustorthy, whatver that is.
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Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his
anonymous friends have been bashing those people who
support the proper medical and surgical treatment of
cancer on Usenet for years. Lately it has really
gotten nasty with help from Ilena Rosenthal who is
hiding out in Costa Rica.
He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site dedicated
to cancer quackery.
healthwatcher.netind
ex.html Follow the links to Tyrell Dueck and other
tragedies.
Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country
Checkup archive from March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell
Dueck situation is discussed. Rex Murphy is the host
of the show. It is a classic and should be required
listening for any family who has a child or loved one
with terminal cancer.
O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no idea
of who he was. I have never heard anyone on this show
who was ever given that long to present their point of
view.
Right after O'Neill's appearance was the testimony of
Owen Griffiths, Dueck's advocate and family attorney.

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You can hear Bill's two-cents at around 37 minutes
into the show. Those who support his CCRG really have
to pay attention to reality. Do not get hooked on
irrational explanations, and don't pay anyone to help
give you get information about cancer treatment in
Canada who is not qualified to do so.
Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment,
and don't waste your money on alternative care. It
does NOT work. These operations are run by unqualified
entrepreneurs who have one thing in mind - YOUR
MONEY!!!!
Play it now with your RealPlayer:

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> >>willie winkie must be hard working in an empty
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> >On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700,
> >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote:
>
> I assume that there has been some breakdown in the
> distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem
> to have missed the ones where Jan has criticised Mr
> William P O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research
> Group for posting under false names, telling lies
> about web sites being closed down, bringing people's
> families into the discussion by saying that their
> children have attempted suicide, belittling people
> by suggesting that they are bankrupt, and using
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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #13

"Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Poor Dave, I guess he's run out of ginseng suppliers to
treat cancer patients in Southwestern Ontario. So here is
my spin on why Wickware and his ilk are predators on those
who listen to them, and who buy their products.
THE FACTS
1. Alternative therapy for cancer shortens survival. In
other words people who use alternative therapies don't
suffer as long as those who don't use alternative
therapy. They just die sooner.
Facts which were recently documented in the newsgroup.
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2. Dave Wickware and his supporters on the internet, by
offering alternative advice, or by selling unproved
ginseng or other remedies to customers are actually
reducing the suffering of people with cancer. Boy, that
logic fails to hit them very hard.
Yes, the person suffers less, worries about their cancer
less, since they die sooner. What a wonderful service these
folks provide.
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3. The government, especially in Canada, doesn't have the
resources to prosecute these people. Many charges
brought against Canadian-based quacks have actually
been brought by the U.S. government. The cancer quacks
continue to thrive in Canada because the government
just doesn't understand that quacks like Wickware, and
licensed doctors like Ravi Devgan (who just had his
license revoked) are all swimming in the same cesspool.
True. These fellows are truly deep thinkers.
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4. My web site profiles many Canadian quacks and scam
artists who have contributed to the early deaths of
many people, both in Canada, and in their offshore or
Mexican operations over the years. It was Canadian
doctors and politicians who favour a hands-off approach
to alternative medicine who directly contributed to the
promotion of these early deaths.
That is sad. We have some here in the US.
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dex.html
Some of them have invented cures in the form of "magnets",
some have used i.v. ginseng, ozone, hydrogen peroxide. Why
even the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine is
heavily supported by companies that make things like
ESSIAC, a totally useless herbal legend. And don't forget
the QXCI people who import these wacko computer programs
and biofeedback interfaces to treat cancer, and who teach
others how to use them to defraud the public. There are
even MDs who contribute to the scams.
5. Wickware and others who prey on the weak who have
cancer, or who have children with cancer will never be
brought under control unless the government passes
legislation that protects the public. It may be a free
country up here in Canada, but these vultures are not
free to pick the flesh from those who are about to die,
and tell them that they will be cured. This is not
hope, it is criminal.
I would not call them weak, but desperate. These creeps use
carefully prepared salespitches to sell their [censored]. The
pitches are designed to undermine anything that may
actually help them, and play on people's concerns, e.g.
side effects of chemo.
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6. One of the most notorious cancer quack operations, CSCT
that marketed the Zoetron scam device, started right
here in Kitchener-Waterloo. Did the Canadian government
go after them. Yeah right. Don't hold your breath.
consumeraffairs.comzoetron.html www-www-
.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Cancer/Zoetron/
CSCT's Zoetron - Not a Cancer Cure "People who went there
were intelligent people," she said. "They were smart, they
were funny. They believed in God. They all had one thing
in common, though - they were going to die."
Shelia Lewandowski, daughter of victim
A good example of people who are desperate. I consider the
scamsters approach to be a form of brainwashing.
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7. Wickware and his associate psychic operation provides
the world with a fine example of cancer quackery. Of
course their proof that what they do actually works is
evident in their Yellow Page ad. One of them joined the
Chamber of Commerce which is all you need in this town
to gain credibility. And then tack on a few fake
initials and a PhD or two, and they are just as
credible as all the other Toms, [censored], or Harriets who
sell junk to their customers in their health food
stores, or who do Vegatesting, or who stick non-sterile
needles into their victims in the guise of practicing
Chinese Medicine.
SURE DAVE - ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE REALLY WORKS - AND YOU
CAN PROVE IT CAN'T YOU!!!
RESOURCES YOU SHOULD NOT MISS

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ack.html
EVIDENCE IS PLAINLY THERE FOR ALL TO SEE
DiBella quack from Italy mesmerized quacks in Canada who
convinced the media that he was the king of cancer
therapy. Trouble is his treatments killed people.
Di Bella's "miracle" cancer cure shortens survival The Di
Bella therapy, a cancer treatment touted as a cure for up
to 100% of patients, actually provides results far worse
than standard cancer treatments, study results show.
The therapy program was developed in Italy by Dr. Luigi Di
Bella, who claims to have treated more than 10,000
patients over the past 20 years. Di Bella's drug cocktail
consists of a low dose of cyclophosphamide -- a
chemotherapy drug -- plus various other drugs and
vitamins. Di Bella is a physiologist, a scientist who
studies how the body works.
With Di Bella's cooperation, a research team led by Dr.
Eva Buiatti, from Azienda USL Firenze in Florence, Italy,
reviewed the medical records of 314 patients who received
the Di Bella therapy. All but four had also received
standard treatments.
Compared with patients identified in the Italian cancer
registry, who received only standard therapies, patients
who received the Di Bella therapy "showed lower survival
probability over both the short term and the long term for
all the cancer sites considered," Buiatti's team reports
in the November 15th issue of Cancer.
Specifically, patients who received only standard
treatment were twice as likely to survive compared with
patients treated by Di Bella. Buiatti and colleagues
conclude that "results from this study do not support any
evidence of the (effectiveness) of the anticancer strategy
proposed by Dr. Di Bella."
The Di Bella therapy came to national attention in Italy,
and the Italian courts, when a number of Di Bella's
patients organized and demanded that Italian hospitals
provide the therapy free of charge. So the Italian
government funded a study of the Di Bella therapy at 26
cancer clinics throughout the country. A total of 386
patients were treated with the Di Bella therapy under the
supervision of other physicians. In a separate report in
the journal Cancer, Dr. Giuseppe Traversa, from Instituto
Superiore di Sanita in Rome, Italy, and colleagues report
that fewer than 1% of patients experienced a partial
response to treatment. None achieved a complete halt to
their cancer. Traversa's group concludes that the study
results are "incompatible with the initial claim that (the
Di Bella therapy) might represent a cure for any type of
cancer."
"Alternative medicine is a poor alternative to
conventional medicine,"
Dr. Paul Calabresi, from Brown University School of
Medicine in Providence, Rhode Island, argues in a
journal editorial. "By replacing worthwhile mainstream
therapies, it robs many people with potentially
curable cancer of precious time and a chance for
survival."
From Paul Lee's Healthbase web site:
geocities.comcancer norway.html
SOURCE: Cancer 1999;86:1887-1889, 1903-1911, 2143-2149.
Eur J Cancer 2003 Feb;39(3):372-7

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Risberg T, Vickers A, Bremnes RM, Wist EA, Kaasa S,
Cassileth BR.
Department of Oncology, University Hospital of Tromso,
Tromso, Norway
This study examines the association between alternative
medicines (AM) and cancer survival. A national multicentre
study was carried out in Norway in December 1992 to assess
the prevalence of AM use among cancer patients. One of the
aims of this study was to assess the association between
AM and long-time survival. In January 2001, survival data
were obtained with a follow-up of 8 years for 515 cancer
patients. A total of 112 (22%) assessable patients used
AM. During the follow-up period, 350 patients died. Death
rates were higher in AM users (79%) than in those who did
not use AM (65%). In a Cox regression model adjusted for
demographic, disease and treatment factors, the hazard
ratio of death for any use of AM compared with no use was
1.30, (95% Confidence Interval (CI) 0.99, 1.70; P=0.056),
suggesting that AM use may predict a shorter survival.
Sensitivity analyses strengthened the negative association
between AM use and survival. AM use had the most
detrimental effect in patients with an ECOG (Eastern
Cooperative Oncology Group) performance status (PS) of 0
(hazard ratio for use=2.32, 95% CI, 1.44, 3.74, P=0.001),
when compared with an ECOG PS of 1 or higher. The use of
AM seems to predict a shorter survival from cancer. The
effect appears predominantly in patients with a good PS.
PMID: 12565991 [PubMed - in process]
Alternative medicine use by cancer patients associated
with shorter survival
POSTED 03.19.2003
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The mortality rate among
patients with cancer is higher in those who use
alternative medicines than in those who do not, according
to a report in the February issue of the European Journal
of Cancer.
Dr. Terje Risberg, of the University Hospital of Tromso,
Norway, and colleagues examined the use of alternative
medicines by cancer patients at multiple centers in
Norway, and assessed the effect on long-term survival.
The 515 patients in the study were followed for 8
years.
Three hundred fifty patients (68%) died during follow-up,
according to the team. Alternative medicines were used by
112 patients (22%). Of these, 88 (79%) died during follow-
up, compared with 262 of the 403 patients (65%) who did
not use alternative medicine.
In an adjusted Cox regression model, the hazard ratio of
death associated with alternative medicine use compared
with no use was 1.30 (p = 0.056). The investigators
observed no differences between different types of
alternative medicine.
"Alternative medicine use had the most detrimental effect
in patients with an ECOG (Eastern Cooperative Oncology
Group) performance status (PS) of 0 (hazard ratio for use
= 2.32; p = 0.001), when compared with an ECOG PS of 1 or
higher," Dr. Risberg and colleagues report.
The investigators believe this is the first study to show
a negative correlation between alternative medicine use
and survival. They express doubt that the effect is
causal, since the alternative methods used "seem rather
innocuous," and surmise that alternative medicine use may
be a marker of some other unrecognized prognostic factor.
Even though the analysis controlled for disease severity,
Dr. Risberg and colleagues suggest that alternative
medicine use may reflect patients' perceptions of their
prognosis. "Indeed," they write, "patients may estimate
the gravity of their situation more accurately than their
physicians."

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Google search:

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Alternative treatments for cancer increase mortality
A study just published in the Journal for the Norwegian
Medical Association concludes that patients who seek
alternative treatment in addition to traditional medicine
have a greater mortality than those who only accept the
prescribed treatment. The study by Terje Risberg et al
investigated 515 cancer patients with a follow-up of 8
years. 22% of these patients sought alternative treatment.
79 % of these died in the period, as compared to 65 % of
non-users.
The study concludes it is unlikely that the treatment is
dangerous in itself. Rather, it points to a number of
possible reasons for this effect. One may be that cancer
patients who seek alternative treatment are slower in
contacting medical professionals if the cancer returns.
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Here are some interesting links:
Childhood cancer
nccf.orgfacts.asp
Breast cancer
imaginis.comstatistics.asp
Cancer survival hc-sc.gc.cameas
haut/mu_j_e.html
The Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER)
Program of the National Cancer Institute
seer.cancer.govseer.cancer.gov
SEER Cancer Statistics Review, 1973-1999
seer.cancer.gov1973 1999
Cancer prevalence
srab.cancer.govcanques.html
Here you can find all the cancer survival statistics http-
://surveillance.cancer.gov/statistics/types/survival.html
CancerHelp UK
cancerhelp.org.ukdefault.asp
Google search

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If you still want to look at the dismal side, then focus
on the increased cancer incidence. This is an interesting
phenomena, since it only exists because of the success of
antibiotics, vaccinations, and improved medical care,
hygiene, nutrition, etc. Earlier not as many people lived
long enough to get cancer, Parkinsons, MS, etc.
If you want to effectively lower the cancer incidence,
just support the anti-vaccinationists. If they succeed,
overpopulation will no longer be a problem. Not enough
people will survive, and if they do, they won't get old
enough to get cancer. There will simply be fewer people in
those age and risk brackets.
Vaccination Links
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Anti-vaccination Liars
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The Green Light - Vaccination
ratbags.comvaccines1.htm
The Anti-Immunization Activists: A Pattern of Deception
pathguy.comantiimmu.htm
The bottom line is this: Even if modern medical science
did worse at treating cancer than it does, you have
nothing effective to offer instead of it -- not Hulda
Clark, not Laetrile, not Essiac, not Cansema, not Zappers,
not bowel, liver and gall bladder cleanses, nothing,
zilch, zero. There are certain lifestyle habits that can
improve or lessen your chances of getting and dying of
cancer. These things aren't among them. The only thing one
can do is to live a sensible lifestyle and quit worrying.
Using alt med won't help you.
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Anyone who pushes a one note, narrow agenda, that
ignores the aids that traditional medicine offers (for
100 years) and anyone who ignores the benefits that
natural remedies afford (for

10,000
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years) is indeed narrow minded and, in my opinion, is
simply not trustorthy to offer healing.
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Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his
anonymous friends have been bashing those people who
support the proper medical and surgical treatment of
cancer on Usenet for years. Lately it has really
gotten nasty with help from Ilena Rosenthal who is
hiding out in Costa Rica.
He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site dedicated
to cancer quackery.
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ex.html Follow the links to Tyrell Dueck and other
tragedies.
Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country
Checkup archive from March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell
Dueck situation is discussed. Rex Murphy is the host
of the show. It is a classic and should be required
listening for any family who has a child or loved one
with terminal cancer.
O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no idea
of who he was. I have never heard anyone on this show
who was ever given that long to present their point of
view.
Right after O'Neill's appearance was the testimony of
Owen Griffiths, Dueck's advocate and family attorney.

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You can hear Bill's two-cents at around 37 minutes
into the show. Those who support his CCRG really have
to pay attention to reality. Do not get hooked on
irrational explanations, and don't pay anyone to help
give you get information about cancer treatment in
Canada who is not qualified to do so.
Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment,
and don't waste your money on alternative care. It
does NOT work. These operations are run by unqualified
entrepreneurs who have one thing in mind - YOUR
MONEY!!!!
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> [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
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> >>Subject: Re: Hey Terry Polevoy! From:
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> William P O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research
> Group for posting under false names, telling lies
> about web sites being closed down, bringing people's
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> children have attempted suicide, belittling people
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Like I said, Spammin' Dave, acusing your opponents of being
narrowminded is always a good tactic. It demonstrates the
paucity of your position, and is nearly an automatic "win".
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Narrowmindedness and being too lazy to research
information seem to be

your
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true forte. You are very "special".
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Anyone who pushes a one note, narrow agenda, that
ignores the aids

that
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traditional medicine offers (for 100 years)
Amongst those aids were cocaine, snake oil,
bloodletting, etc.
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and anyone who ignores the benefits that natural
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10,000
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years)
Only 10,000 years? you have got to be kidding. You have
never read the

book
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"Neanderthal Medicine" by I. M. Extinct.
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is indeed narrow minded and,
Always a good idea to accuse your opponents, real and
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being
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narrow minded. Straigt from the syllabus in MLM 101.
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in my opinion, is simply not trustorthy to offer
healing.
Well, I admit that I am not trustorthy, whatver that is.
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> Bill O'Neill of the CCRG in Ottawa or one of his
> anonymous friends have been bashing those people who
> support the proper medical and surgical treatment of
> cancer on Usenet for years. Lately it has

really
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> gotten nasty with help from Ilena Rosenthal who is
> hiding out in

Costa
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> Rica.
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> He especially doesn't like Terry Polevoy, MD from
> Kitchener, Ontario who maintains a web site
> dedicated to cancer quackery.
>
> healthwatcher.neti
> ndex.html Follow the links to Tyrell Dueck and other
> tragedies.
>
> Please listen to this two-hour CBC Cross Country
> Checkup archive

from
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> March 21, 1999 when the Tyrell Dueck situation is
> discussed. Rex Murphy is the host of the show. It is
> a classic and should be

required
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> listening for any family who has a child or loved
> one with terminal cancer.
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> O'Neill was on for over 10 minutes. Murphy had no
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> You can hear Bill's two-cents at around 37 minutes
> into the show. Those who support his CCRG really
> have to pay attention to reality.

Do
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> not get hooked on irrational explanations, and don't
> pay anyone to help give you get information about
> cancer treatment in Canada who

is
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> not qualified to do so.
>
> Do not go to Mexico or the Caribbean for treatment,
> and don't waste your money on alternative care. It
> does NOT work. These operations are

run
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> by unqualified entrepreneurs who have one thing in
> mind - YOUR

MONEY!!!!
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> > >On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700,
> > >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote:
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> > I assume that there has been some breakdown in the
> > distribution of newsgroup messages, because I seem
> > to have missed the ones where

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