Hey Magilla

Bob Schwartz said:

Could you do us all a favor? Could you start
using the Steve Taylor posting paradigm? It'd
make you arguments a lot easier to follow.

For example, rather than:

"Hey dumbass, it's your theory - the burden is
on you to show the rule. According to me, the
rule doesn't exist."

Better:

"CITE THE RULE ASSHAT!!! YOU CAN'T!!! BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!

[censored] OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!"

See the difference?

Bob Schwartz

You still can't cite the USCF rule that says NRC races are run under UCi
rules. That's your problem.

All this other stuff you are doing is diversionary tactics. And it's
not working.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Bob Schwartz said:

Could you do us all a favor? Could you start
using the Steve Taylor posting paradigm? It'd
make you arguments a lot easier to follow.

For example, rather than:

"Hey dumbass, it's your theory - the burden is
on you to show the rule. According to me, the
rule doesn't exist."

Better:

"CITE THE RULE ASSHAT!!! YOU CAN'T!!! BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!

[censored] OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!"

See the difference?

Bob Schwartz

You still can't cite the USCF rule that says NRC races are run under UCi
rules. That's your problem.

All this other stuff you are doing is diversionary tactics. And it's
not working.

Yes it is.

Bob Schwartz

On 6/12/08 8:53 AM, in article [email hidden],

MagillaGorilla said:

Bob Schwartz said:

Could you do us all a favor? Could you start
using the Steve Taylor posting paradigm? It'd
make you arguments a lot easier to follow.

For example, rather than:

"Hey dumbass, it's your theory - the burden is
on you to show the rule. According to me, the
rule doesn't exist."

Better:

"CITE THE RULE ASSHAT!!! YOU CAN'T!!! BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!

[censored] OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!"

See the difference?

Bob Schwartz

You still can't cite the USCF rule that says NRC races are run under UCi
rules. That's your problem.

All this other stuff you are doing is diversionary tactics. And it's
not working.

Magilla

ApeBoy- (Yes... It refers to equipment only.)

Racing Rules for
Road, Track, and Cyclocross

2008

1. General Racing Rules.............................6
1A. Definitions................................................6
1B. Rule Applications, Exceptions, and
Additions.......................................................10
1C. Violations of Rules...................................11
1D. Event Permits..........................................11
1E. Race Announcements...............................15
1F. Prizes and Payments................................16
1G. Entry in Races.........................................17
1H. Mixing of Classes and Categories.............19
1I. Officials....................................................20
1J. Bicycles....................................................25

1J. Bicycles

(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at
events that select 17-18, U23 and elite riders for international
competition or national teams. All bicycles used in Federation
National Championship (for age 17 and older riders) and NRC
races must comply with the current UCI regulations.

[censored] OR GET OFF THE BANANA!!!

ST said:

On 6/12/08 8:53 AM, in article [email hidden],

MagillaGorilla said:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Could you do us all a favor? Could you start
using the Steve Taylor posting paradigm? It'd
make you arguments a lot easier to follow.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For example, rather than:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Hey dumbass, it's your theory - the burden is
on you to show the rule. According to me, the
rule doesn't exist."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Better:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"CITE THE RULE ASSHAT!!! YOU CAN'T!!! BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[censored] OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See the difference?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bob Schwartz

Quoted message said:

You still can't cite the USCF rule that says NRC races are run under UCi
rules.  That's your problem.

Quoted message said:

All this other stuff you are doing is diversionary tactics.  And it's
not working.

Quoted message said:

Magilla

ApeBoy-  (Yes... It refers to equipment only.)

Racing Rules for  
Road, Track, and Cyclocross

2008

1. General Racing Rules.............................6
1A. Definitions................................................6
1B. Rule Applications, Exceptions, and
Additions.......................................................10
1C. Violations of Rules...................................11
1D. Event Permits..........................................11
1E. Race Announcements...............................15
1F. Prizes and Payments................................16
1G. Entry in Races.........................................17
1H. Mixing of Classes and Categories.............19
1I. Officials....................................................20
1J. Bicycles....................................................25

1J. Bicycles

(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at
events that select 17-18, U23 and elite riders for international
competition or national teams. All bicycles used in Federation
National Championship (for age 17 and older riders) and NRC
races must comply with the current UCI regulations.

[censored] OR GET OFF THE BANANA!!!

You know that someone's talking out their ass when they get corrected
with a cite by Fat Steve.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

You know that someone's talking out their ass when they get corrected with
a cite by Fat Steve.

<http://koliko.blogspot.com/2004/04/gorillas-ass.html>

"ST" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 6/12/08 8:53 AM, in article [email hidden],

MagillaGorilla said:

Bob Schwartz said:

Could you do us all a favor? Could you start
using the Steve Taylor posting paradigm? It'd
make you arguments a lot easier to follow.

For example, rather than:

"Hey dumbass, it's your theory - the burden is
on you to show the rule. According to me, the
rule doesn't exist."

Better:

"CITE THE RULE ASSHAT!!! YOU CAN'T!!! BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!

[censored] OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!"

See the difference?

Bob Schwartz

You still can't cite the USCF rule that says NRC races are run under UCi
rules. That's your problem.

All this other stuff you are doing is diversionary tactics. And it's
not working.

Magilla

ApeBoy- (Yes... It refers to equipment only.)

Equipment and fines.

As I understand it, NRC races use UCI rules for equipment and fines, and
the USAC imposes rules for team limits in NRC races and the designation of
categories, all non UCI races are supposed to use USAC rules, a seemingly
contradiction. Like a 50/50 bar. NRC rules are imposed USAC rules. Non NRC
races like Merco this year allowed a bigger field for spring competition,
and free up NRC fees like UCI fees to be focused on prize money, instead of
increasing the power and control these organizations wield, while leaving
riders walking away with five dollars in prize money.

So quite a mix, you got UCI and non UCI races, NRC and non NRC races with
two sets of overlapping rules, and UCI and non UCI teams riding in these
races, at least there was last year, Lipton, and a few others, national
teams, composite teams, riders without teams, lone rebels and renegades,
Heinz 57, riders in exile on teams foreign to their native countries, and
riders switching teams in mid season, not to mention some riders have one
blue eye and one brown eye. Also, besides the 21 winners and U-Boat
commander Apey stated, this year they had an award for best picks by the
press for the winner, which included a podium for the press winner.

Non NRC

Quoted message said:

races like Merco this year allowed a bigger field for spring competition,
and free up NRC fees like UCI fees to be focused on prize money, instead of
increasing the power and control these organizations wield, while leaving
riders walking away with five dollars in prize money.

dumbass,

as a schmoebag fan you aren't actually aware how the sport works.

if an organizer is sanctioned by the UCI they are committed to paying
a guaranteed cash purse.

we organized two UCI races last year and the biggest expense
associated with the UCI sanctioning was the cash for prizes. the
actual fees associated with the sanction and UCI officials was picked
up by our governing body - so it's not as if the cash that could've
gone towards prizes was diverted to the UCI.

having a UCI sanction also meant that more top riders would travel to
the event since points and a guaranteed cash purse were up for grabs,
and the media - though they may not know a lot about the sport are
still savvy enough to figure out that a UCI race is "International"
and is a somewhat bigger deal than a local race, so and we had a lot
more publicity than we would've gotten without that sanction.

for a guy who is a supposed champion for the women's side of the sport
you are cluess about how the UCI and the gov. bodies work to develop
less popular disciplines. races like the Montreal world cup and the
tour of PEI wouldn't if economics was the sole determining factor.