Here we groan again.... theHun

Get off the road you bloody cyclists!

Oh get off the footpath too!

Soon riding on Bikepaths will be targeted by the hun.🙄

and FFS THE HELL RIDE IS NOT A 'RACE', GO [censored] YOURSELVES YOU STUPID JOURNALIST PR*CKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

That's better😄

"ScanAustraliaPix" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Well
no footy this weekend so theHun 'makes' up this story.....

Fears as bikes put walkers in danger
Sue Hewitt September 24, 2006 12:00am

Don't blame the Hun. It is merely parasitic. It is a horrid truth that
(with few exceptions) the media exists merely to sell advertising. It
follows that any Editor worth their salt would not knowingly (mis)report any
story unless they felt that, on balance, it would meet with the approval of
the psychdemographic of the denominator to which they endeavoured to appeal
(lowest, median or most).

Yes, I agree (anticipating the obvious response) by doing so they create /
reinforce inaccurate perceptions. But it is the underlying biggotry they
exploit, and by doing so they engage in a mutually reinforcing cycle that
perpetuates and strengthens the original falsehood. They exploit
stupidity, ignorance and laziness to sell ads. Welcome to capitalism!

The take out? The Hun, knowingly engages in a sin of commission - as do you
by buying it or reading it. So stop.

ScanAustraliaPix said:

The Sunday Herald Sun survey found 162 cyclists riding at 16-20km/h, 90
at 11-15km/h, 65 at 21-25km/h and 12 between 26 and 30km/h.
The cyclists' speeds were recorded by an Australasian Traffic Survey
operator between 7.30am and 10.30am on Thursday.

If I gave more of a toss, I'd write a story to the Hun about the 'speed' of peoples dogs out east... Some of these pooches puts their < 30km/h cycle plodders to shame... zooting across the path without even looking! sheesh!

It's only a matter of time until someone gets seriously injured, or worse, KILLED by a speeding dog.

edit: :p

ScanAustraliaPix said:

The Sunday Herald Sun survey found 162 cyclists riding at 16-20km/h, 90
at 11-15km/h, 65 at 21-25km/h and 12 between 26 and 30km/h.
The cyclists' speeds were recorded by an Australasian Traffic Survey
operator between 7.30am and 10.30am on Thursday.

How do you ride <6mph? That's almost a trackstand.

ScanAustraliaPix said:

A Sunday Herald Sun survey found all but one cyclist breaking the speed
limit at Southbank, narrowly missing walkers on the promenade.
One cyclist, clocked at 30km/h in a 10km/h zone, abused people in his
way. And in morning peak hour, more than 300 law-breaking cyclists were
clocked with a radar speed gun at Southbank, in the Bourke St mall and
on the bike path at St Kilda.

Slow news day anyone? Hasn't the Shun recycled this story before in April-May this year, and even interviewed the very same people?

Melbourne Council has steadfastly REFUSED for years to acknowledge the front of Southbank is part of the Capital City Trail. If the council don't acknowledge that fact and put in the appropriate signage/infrastructure et al ... what happens? People make their own rules.

HJJ said:

ScanAustraliaPix said:

The Sunday Herald Sun survey found 162 cyclists riding at 16-20km/h, 90
at 11-15km/h, 65 at 21-25km/h and 12 between 26 and 30km/h.
The cyclists' speeds were recorded by an Australasian Traffic Survey
operator between 7.30am and 10.30am on Thursday.

How do you ride <6mph? That's almost a trackstand.

I ride through Southbank 3 times a week, and I can (and do) do 10km/h
on it. What's your problem? Don't like riding through very high
density pedestrian areas at low enough speed to dodge people on foot
safely? Use City Rd, or stop whinging. *I* wish the cops would book
people on bikes fanging through there.

cfsmtb said:

ScanAustraliaPix said:

A Sunday Herald Sun survey found all but one cyclist breaking the
speed
limit at Southbank, narrowly missing walkers on the promenade.
One cyclist, clocked at 30km/h in a 10km/h zone, abused people in his
way. And in morning peak hour, more than 300 law-breaking cyclists
were
clocked with a radar speed gun at Southbank, in the Bourke St mall and
on the bike path at St Kilda.

Slow news day anyone? Hasn't the Shun recycled this story before in
April-May this year, and even interviewed the very same people?

Melbourne Council has steadfastly REFUSED for years to acknowledge the
front of Southbank is part of the Capital City Trail. If the council
don't acknowledge that fact and put in the appropriate
signage/infrastructure et al ... what happens? People make their own
rules.

There is a 10km/h speed sign through there (several, actually, they're
clear and hard to miss). It's also very high pedestrian density. The
stun makes a good point, the vast majority of cyclists riding through
there are traveling at speeds far greater (more than twice, I'd
estimate) than the posted speed limit.

We have rules, we play by them, what's so hard about that? It makes not
a sod of difference if it's part of some trail or not, it has a speed
limit and it's a very highly trafficed (pedestrian) area. Is it
somehow the councils fault that people riding through there on bikes
are arrogant turds just as incapable of playing by the rules that we
expect car drivers to? (ie: not breaking the speed limit?). *I* can
(and do, 3 times a week, in each direction) ride through there at
10km/h. It's a PITA, but I can always use city rd if I'd prefer, but
the *idiots* riding through there at 30km/h+ deserve a ritual beating
behind the bikesheds, with vigour aforethought.

mmm
anyone actually got a pic of the signs?

is the zone 'enforcable'?
do police waste time with radar guns?
i cant see the TMU car (needed to power the gun) parked down there
anytime soon...

nothing in the 'road-rules' i can see to cover the 'path'
sharing - sure
but that goes for them too

D

Bleve said:

cfsmtb said:

ScanAustraliaPix said:

A Sunday Herald Sun survey found all but one cyclist breaking the
speed
limit at Southbank, narrowly missing walkers on the promenade.
One cyclist, clocked at 30km/h in a 10km/h zone, abused people in his
way. And in morning peak hour, more than 300 law-breaking cyclists
were
clocked with a radar speed gun at Southbank, in the Bourke St mall and
on the bike path at St Kilda.

Slow news day anyone? Hasn't the Shun recycled this story before in
April-May this year, and even interviewed the very same people?

Melbourne Council has steadfastly REFUSED for years to acknowledge the
front of Southbank is part of the Capital City Trail. If the council
don't acknowledge that fact and put in the appropriate
signage/infrastructure et al ... what happens? People make their own
rules.

There is a 10km/h speed sign through there (several, actually, they're
clear and hard to miss). It's also very high pedestrian density. The
stun makes a good point, the vast majority of cyclists riding through
there are traveling at speeds far greater (more than twice, I'd
estimate) than the posted speed limit.

We have rules, we play by them, what's so hard about that? It makes not
a sod of difference if it's part of some trail or not, it has a speed
limit and it's a very highly trafficed (pedestrian) area. Is it
somehow the councils fault that people riding through there on bikes
are arrogant turds just as incapable of playing by the rules that we
expect car drivers to? (ie: not breaking the speed limit?). *I* can
(and do, 3 times a week, in each direction) ride through there at
10km/h. It's a PITA, but I can always use city rd if I'd prefer, but
the *idiots* riding through there at 30km/h+ deserve a ritual beating
behind the bikesheds, with vigour aforethought.

ScanAustraliaPix said:

Well
no footy this weekend so theHun 'makes' up this story.....
D

Its really sad some of the replies expressed in response to this posting, in fact if I didn't know better I would think they are Troll posts.

That guy doing 30+ km/h per hour through Southbank, deserves to be tied to his bike and then be dragged behind it at 30+ km/h.

People on her cry for the right to ride their bike with out fear of being alienated or having people abuse them, but then think it is alright to go speeding through a highly pedestrian area where there are a lot of children as well older people just out trying to enjoy the day and then almost get run over by a cyclist.

Two words, "COMMON SENSE", people used to have this before they had to be told how to wipe their ass properly or how respect other people in the world.

That is really freakin sad, those people caught speeding, in my mind are as guilty as speeding motorists. And I would have thought "most" people on here would have thought so, good on the Paper for bringing it up, hmmmm maybe it will make cyclists think twice before being a complete and utter, d&ckhead.

Equality, Right on Brother/Sister. Freakin sad.

MikeyOz said:

That is really freakin sad, those people caught speeding, in my mind are as guilty as speeding motorists. And I would have thought "most" people on here would have thought so, good on the Paper for bringing it up, hmmmm maybe it will make cyclists think twice before being a complete and utter, d&ckhead.

Equality, Right on Brother/Sister. Freakin sad.

You're probably not seeing this in perspective - if you WANT equality, go knocking on the door of Melbourne Council and ask them WHY it's taken them so freaking long to recognise that Southbank is part of the Capital City Trail?

The path has existed for ages, and yet MCC dragged their feet on this issue right up until March this year until they finally decided to put in signage. Actually I don't think MCC has even bothered to gazette the area as part of the Capital City Trail, anyone care to correct that?

This issue cuts both ways, as a shared path user I exercise caution and correct speed while using the area. But unfortunately there's an equal problem, plenty of peds who don't know it's a shared area. And that creates a problem, ditto all the conversations on a.b regarding shared path behaviour such as dithering peds, dogs off leads etc.

MikeyOz said:

Its really sad some of the replies expressed in response to this posting, in fact if I didn't know better I would think they are Troll posts.

That guy doing 30+ km/h per hour through Southbank, deserves to be tied to his bike and then be dragged behind it at 30+ km/h.

People on her cry for the right to ride their bike with out fear of being alienated or having people abuse them, but then think it is alright to go speeding through a highly pedestrian area where there are a lot of children as well older people just out trying to enjoy the day and then almost get run over by a cyclist.

Am I missing posts, or something else? I can't see anyone on here saying they do, or support, riding through these areas at high speeds... where are fingers being pointed here.. ??

Bleve said:

HJJ said:

ScanAustraliaPix said:

The Sunday Herald Sun survey found 162 cyclists riding at 16-20km/h, 90
at 11-15km/h, 65 at 21-25km/h and 12 between 26 and 30km/h.
The cyclists' speeds were recorded by an Australasian Traffic Survey
operator between 7.30am and 10.30am on Thursday.

How do you ride <6mph? That's almost a trackstand.

I ride through Southbank 3 times a week, and I can (and do) do 10km/h
on it. What's your problem? Don't like riding through very high
density pedestrian areas at low enough speed to dodge people on foot
safely? Use City Rd, or stop whinging. *I* wish the cops would book
people on bikes fanging through there.

Simple question, meant casually. Over-reaction much?

ScanAustraliaPix said:

mmm
anyone actually got a pic of the signs?

I can take one tomorrow, if you need convincing, but BV already have
one. Look :

http://www.bv.com.au/change-the-world/11011/

Specifically :

http://www.bv.com.au/file/inform/New-10kmh-signs.jpg

Too hard to read? I didn't think so either....

Quoted message said:

is the zone 'enforcable'?

I don't know. I hope so. It should be. Southbank is full of kids
wandering all over the place, oldies wandering around, tourists ...
general vague peds wandering all over the place. *we* have to give way
to them and ride in a safe manner. And I can tell you *we* (most
cyclists riding through there) do not. Safe is a value judgement, and
what I think is safe is clearly not what the average cyclist going
along there diving between people at 25km/h during peak times considers
safe. Don't believe me? Stand still there at 5pm on Monday, and just
watch. My friends go fanging through there, part of me hopes they have
to swerve one day and smack into a pole or some other form of poetic
justice.

Quoted message said:

do police waste time with radar guns?

The police do not often appear to take a lot of notice. This has
nothing to do with the value judgement of yours, suggesting that
enforcing a rule designed to protect peds from irresponsible bicycle
riders is "wasting time".

Jono L said:

Get off the road you bloody cyclists!

Oh get off the footpath too!

Soon riding on Bikepaths will be targeted by the hun.🙄

and FFS THE HELL RIDE IS NOT A 'RACE', GO [censored] YOURSELVES YOU STUPID
JOURNALIST PR*CKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Tell that to the last guy that won the kick to BP Elwood Jono ....

gplama said:

MikeyOz said:

Its really sad some of the replies expressed in response to this
posting, in fact if I didn't know better I would think they are Troll
posts.

That guy doing 30+ km/h per hour through Southbank, deserves to be tied
to his bike and then be dragged behind it at 30+ km/h.

People on her cry for the right to ride their bike with out fear of
being alienated or having people abuse them, but then think it is
alright to go speeding through a highly pedestrian area where there are
a lot of children as well older people just out trying to enjoy the day
and then almost get run over by a cyclist.

Am I missing posts, or something else? I can't see anyone on here
saying they do, or support, riding through these areas at high
speeds... where are fingers being pointed here.. ??

It's everyone carping on about it being a media beatup, or somehow
because it's some part of some trail, that we can just blame the
council and thus avert responsibility.

If it *is* a media beatup, it's *still* right that it's being pointed
out. People on bikes ride through there at speeds far in excess of what
I would consider safe in such a chaotic area. Just because it's part
of someone's beloved trail doesn't give cyclists the right to ride like
[censored] along it, and doesn't abrogate our responsibility to use it
safely. We *know* it's chaotic, and no amount of finger pointing at
councils etc is going to change it as it stands at this time. We have
to ride to the conditions, not to what we think they should be.
Campaign for change, sure, but ride according to how it is.

Bleve said:

ScanAustraliaPix said:

mmm
anyone actually got a pic of the signs?

I can take one tomorrow, if you need convincing, but BV already have
one. Look :

http://www.bv.com.au/change-the-world/11011/

Specifically :

http://www.bv.com.au/file/inform/New-10kmh-signs.jpg

Too hard to read? I didn't think so either....

Quoted message said:

is the zone 'enforcable'?

I don't know. I hope so.

Ahem. Correct me if I'm wrong but a cursory glance at the road rules,
specifically speed limits:
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_03.pdf

suggests that speed limits apply to *roads* and not to road-related areas
(like bike paths, pedestrian zones etc.) My guess it is precisely for
reasons of practical enforcement and consistency of application ie. do you
fine the bike rider doing 18kmh or the runner doing 12kmh?

BV states on their website that these are "advisory speed limits", which
suggests a lack of real enforcability.

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Cheers
Peter

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Bleve said:

If it *is* a media beatup, it's *still* right that it's being pointed
out.

A media beatup is where the media grabs hold of a relatively inconsequential issue and blows up one viewpoint on it to suit their own editor's purposes.

Like:

Quoted message said:

People at cafes walk through there in an erratic manner without looking
about in ways I would consider unsafe in such a chaotic area. Just because it's part
of someone's beloved cafe doesn't give pedestrians the right to walk like
[censored] along it, and doesn't abrogate our responsibility to use it
safely. We *know* it's chaotic, and no amount of finger pointing at
councils etc is going to change it as it stands at this time. People have
to walk to the conditions, not to what we think they should be.
Campaign for change, sure, but walk according to how it is.

Now would that be regarded as a media beat up? Or is it perhaps another form of the truth?

--
Cheers
Peter

~~~ ~ _@
~~ ~ _- \,
~~ (*)/ (*)

cfsmtb said:

This issue cuts both ways, as a shared path user I exercise caution
and correct speed while using the area. But unfortunately there's an
equal problem, plenty of peds who don't know it's a shared area. And
that creates a problem, ditto all the conversations on a.b regarding
shared path behaviour such as dithering peds, dogs off leads etc.

Same issue on Pyrmont Bridge in Sydney, though it doesn't get the same
bad press as Southbank (where I have walked but never ridden). I wonder
if green strips marked "cycle lane", with slightly higher speed limits,
would help the situation? Sure, it would be widely ignored. But if even
half the pedestrians respected it, both they and cyclists would enjoy
the shared places a lot more.

--
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(To reply by email, remove numbers from my address)

On 2006-09-24, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

cfsmtb said:

Melbourne Council has steadfastly REFUSED for years to acknowledge the
front of Southbank is part of the Capital City Trail. If the council
don't acknowledge that fact and put in the appropriate
signage/infrastructure et al ... what happens? People make their own
rules.

There is a 10km/h speed sign through there (several, actually, they're
clear and hard to miss). It's also very high pedestrian density. The
stun makes a good point, the vast majority of cyclists riding through
there are traveling at speeds far greater (more than twice, I'd
estimate) than the posted speed limit.

We have rules, we play by them, what's so hard about that? It makes not
a sod of difference if it's part of some trail or not, it has a speed
limit and it's a very highly trafficed (pedestrian) area.

At times. The vast majority of times I had been there, it was *very*
lowly trafficed.

I didn't fang though there, but I sure as hell wasn't going to go at
10km/h for the 1-2km length of the promenade when it was competely
deserted. A good jog is 15km/h, so I should be able to do that in
about as much safety as your typical jogger jogging along there,
except that my wheels brakes are much better than the brakes in my
legs had I been jogging.

Quoted message said:

Is it
somehow the councils fault that people riding through there on bikes
are arrogant turds just as incapable of playing by the rules that we
expect car drivers to? (ie: not breaking the speed limit?).

It is their fault for sitting on a solution for so many years,
claiming there isn't a need for a separate path.

--
TimC
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