help with question re hypos.

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I belong to a support group on the net for hypoglycemics as I have it also. One girl reported she
was having hypo. during the night and had a reading by meter of 30. She asked for advice on this
to the group. Another girl told her to take a complex carb like bread with peanut butter. I
informed this girl that I felt she should take orange juice or dextrosol tablets and then have the
peanut butter sandwich. She then informed me that only diabetics who take insulin would take the
tablets and that people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of sugar at any time including
for hypos. I told her I have been taking dextrosol tablets for many years followed by a snack as
I, anyway wish to avoid brain damage as my readings are often in the early to mid twos. Can anyone
confirm whether diabetics not on insulin can have hypos as this is what she is saying. Thanks.

Certainly we can have them! I had reactive hypoglycemia prior to diabetes. Perhaps I am more prone
to hypos than most. I also have a thyroid problem. If you have diabetes and a hyper thyroid you
can have near constant hypos. If you take certain medications, you are more prone to hypos. But
any diabetic can get hypos, from too much activity, not enough food, wrong kind of food, not
eating on time, the list goes on and on. I will add that I think some people are more prone to
hypos than others. My brother and I are both type 2. He has never had a hypo. I've had more than I
care to remember.

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Margo, Because I know nothing about hypoglycemia, I cannot comment on whether or not it is prudent
for a hypoglecemic to use orange juice to raise their sugars. (I'm Type 1, and use it all the time
to get my sugars up, so I know it is effective.) Maybe it causes a crash later on??? (I'm curious,
so any input you have would be appreciated.)

Yes, T2 who are not using insulin can have hypos. There is a poster (Julie Bove) who is T2, and she
has had hypos. Also, my non-insulin using T2 father in law recently had his first hypo. (Scared the
dickens out of him.) I have no idea as to whether or not a T2 who is controlling their sugars with
diet and exercise only can have a hypo. I would think that it is improbable, but I don't know.

Hope this helps. Steph

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I belong to a support group on the net for hypoglycemics as I have it also. One girl reported she
was having hypo. during the night and had a reading by meter of 30. She asked for advice on this
to the group. Another girl told her to take a complex carb like bread with peanut butter. I
informed this girl that I felt she should take orange juice or dextrosol tablets and then have the
peanut butter sandwich. She then informed me that only diabetics who take insulin would take the
tablets and that people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of sugar at any time including
for hypos. I told her I have been taking dextrosol tablets for many years followed by a snack as
I, anyway wish to avoid brain damage as my readings are often in the early to mid twos. Can anyone
confirm whether diabetics not on insulin can have hypos as this is what she is saying. Thanks.

margo

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I belong to a support group on the net for hypoglycemics as I have it also. One girl reported she
was having hypo. during the night and had a reading by meter of 30. She asked for advice on this
to the group. Another girl told her to take a complex carb like bread with peanut butter. I
informed this girl that I felt she should take orange juice or dextrosol tablets and then have the
peanut butter sandwich. She then informed me that only diabetics who take insulin would take the
tablets and that people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of sugar at any time including
for hypos. I told her I have been taking dextrosol tablets for many years followed by a snack as
I, anyway wish to avoid brain damage as my readings are often in the early to mid twos. Can anyone
confirm whether diabetics not on insulin can have hypos as this is what she is saying. Thanks.

Yes, diabetes type 2 is caused by a dangerously low level of glut-receptors in the cells surface but
insulin level is usually normal, in fact it's more abundant than non diabetic people levels There
are two instances in diabetes type 2 in which insulin levels can become inadequate:
1) if the person is obese, more insulin is needed for every pound in excees and sometimes insulin
secretion levels that would be high for non obese people are not enough for diabetic people
2) if blood glucose level are kept high long term oxidative stress cause loss in beta cells That
being said; diabetic people have usually hyperinsulinemia caused by the the fact that suagar
can't leave the bloodstream This is due to percentage of visceral fats and high post-prandial
lipemia levels When insulin levels are too high sugar is soo quickly put into the cells that few
free glucose remains available and this causes hypoglycaemia Refined suagars (because of lack of
fibers) cause a too quick absorption, that lead to a spike in blood sugar levels and in turn in a
spike on insulin levels that getting suagr into the cells too quickly cause a lack of circulating
sugar Because of this, is far more better to have a fruit when you have an hypo seizure instead
of using refined sugars of juices because this would eventually cause another spike quick
absorption, spike in BGs, too high levels of insulin and again another hypo seizure If your fat
are mostly poly and mono, if your carbs are high fiber unrefined and if you eat them separatly,
you should have improve your symptoms Hyperinsulinemia - Hypoglycaemia is cause by high post-
prandial levels of lipemia, high percentage of visceral fat High fat meal and carbohydrates
consumed with high amount of fat are the major cause of high level of post-prandial lipemia

Niky

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margo

Everything I know about hypoglycemia is from a friend of mine who has it and my cousin who also has
this condition. Hypos are usually brought on by overeating or skipping meals. There are other
factors as well such as not getting enough rest or stresses on the body such as illness or
stressfull activity. Refined sugars, anything which would spike BGs causes you to overproduce
insulin. This causes the Hypo. The key to avoiding Hypos then is to eat many smaller meals. Maybee 3
small meals and 3 snacks. Definately avoid alcohol and any medicaions that can lower BGs. Hypos can
be quite severe and require hospitalization to properly treat.

If your readings are consitintly that low I would say you have poor control over your BGs and need
to take a new approach. I also agree that "people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of
sugar at any time including for hypos." unless under the careful supervision of a Dr..

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I belong to a support group on the net for hypoglycemics as I have it also. One girl reported she
was having hypo. during the night and had a reading by meter of 30. She asked for advice on this
to the group. Another girl told her to take a complex carb like bread with peanut butter. I
informed this girl that I felt she should take orange juice or dextrosol tablets and then have the
peanut butter sandwich. She then informed me that only diabetics who take insulin would take the
tablets and that people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of sugar at any time including
for hypos. I told her I have been taking dextrosol tablets for many years followed by a snack as
I, anyway wish to avoid brain damage as my readings are often in the early to mid twos. Can anyone
confirm whether diabetics not on insulin can have hypos as this is what she is saying. Thanks.

margo

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"Stephanie Kolban" <[email hidden]> WROTE: Because I know nothing about hypoglycemia, I
cannot comment on whether or not it is prudent for a hypoglycemic to use orange juice to raise
their sugars. (I'm Type 1, and use it all the time to get my sugars up, so I know it is
effective.)

Maybe it causes a crash later on??? (I'm curious, so any input you have would be
appreciated.) Steph

If you are a Type 1 diabetic, you most certainly know about hypoglycemia, low blood sugars,
specifically low blood glucose, (BG).

Sometimes, it can occur in a person without diabetes, for a variety of reasons, as has been listed
by other posters.

Whatever the cause for the low BG, NEVER ignore it, or think that it will go away on its own. There
is a possibility that out of desperation to avoid shock & death, the body will start to digest fat,
but by the time that happens, the person may be passed out, or in convulsions, or have been
suffering from a low blood sugar for hours. This is not good.

Some people, with a pancreas that is producing some insulin, may find that when taking only a source
of carbohydrate, the pancreas will over-produce insulin and keep them low, or bring them back down
too far. The solution for those people is to also have something else to eat that will be absorbed
more slowly, such as sandwich from cold-cuts, cheese, tuna fish, or PB & Jelly. Testing the BG will
allow one to know how much food to eat for the next time. Better to eat too much than not enough !

Diabetics who get extremely low may also need to eat something else besides only a source of carbs.

Often, non-diabetics with a problem of hypoglycemia, or new diabetics, do not realize when they are
low. This causes them to ignore it, or think that it is not that big a deal. It IS that big a deal,
and should not be ignored. Not having enough glucose in the blood is analogous to not having enough
Oxygen. The person becomes confused, disoriented, or out of sorts. Replacing the O2 or the sugar,
will solve whichever problem one is having, Then they can go on with their business.

In the case of hypoglycemia, a low BG, some people will appear to be irritable, stubborn, or unruly.
It is because of the lack of a normal level of sugar. Trying to have a rational conversation with
someone in that condition is difficult. At the first symptom of weakness, the person needs to take
some form of sugar. Most diabetics realize this; some non-diabetics or Type 2's do not.

I've had hypo's all my life. I became a type 2 about 6 years ago. Went to a class, when they talked
about hypo's I thought everybody got them. Anyway, be careful how you handle a hypo. You can very
easily get a double or triple dipper. If I use OJ I get a fast responds to my dip but within the
hour I'll have another dip usually worse than the 1st one.

Since I'm in a lot of meetings I can't always respond to the hypo the way I like to. So - emergency
publicly displayed hypo, (I'm often the chairman and thus I can't just jump up and disappear.) I
carry the small boxes of raisins with me and processed cheese. I have learned that I need sugar and
protein. Otherwise I become a YO YO. As soon as I feel a hypo coming on I start eating the raisins
slowly. Often times a half box will stop the hypo if I catch it in time. Then I eat a piece of
cheese, protein,. That usually stabilizes me. My BG has dropped as low as 24 from a high of 300-400
so I sometimes get some real whammies.

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I belong to a support group on the net for hypoglycemics as I have it also. One girl reported
she was having hypo. during the night and had

a

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reading by meter of 30. She asked for advice on this to the group. Another girl told her to take
a complex carb like bread with peanut butter. I informed this girl that I felt she should take
orange juice

or

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dextrosol tablets and then have the peanut butter sandwich. She then informed me that only
diabetics who take insulin would take the tablets and that people with hypoglycemia should not
take any form of sugar at

any

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time including for hypos. I told her I have been taking dextrosol

tablets

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for many years followed by a snack as I, anyway wish to avoid brain

damage

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as my readings are often in the early to mid twos. Can anyone confirm whether diabetics not on
insulin can have hypos as this is what she is saying. Thanks.

Yes, diabetes type 2 is caused by a dangerously low level of

glut-receptors

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in the cells surface but insulin level is usually normal, in fact it's more abundant than non
diabetic people levels There are two instances in diabetes type 2 in which insulin levels can
become inadequate:
1) if the person is obese, more insulin is needed for every pound in

excees

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and sometimes insulin secretion levels that would be high for non obese people are not enough

for

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diabetic people
2) if blood glucose level are kept high long term oxidative stress cause loss in beta cells That
being said; diabetic people have usually hyperinsulinemia caused by

the

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the fact that suagar can't leave the bloodstream This is due to percentage of visceral fats and
high post-prandial lipemia levels When insulin levels are too high sugar is soo quickly put into
the cells that few free glucose remains available and this causes hypoglycaemia Refined suagars
(because of lack of fibers) cause a too quick absorption, that lead to a spike in blood sugar
levels and in turn in a spike on insulin levels that

getting

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suagr into the cells too quickly cause a lack of circulating sugar Because of this, is far more
better to have a fruit when you have an hypo seizure instead of using refined sugars of juices
because this would eventually cause another spike quick absorption, spike in BGs, too high levels
of insulin and again another hypo seizure If your fat are mostly poly and mono, if your carbs are
high fiber

unrefined

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and if you eat them separatly, you should have improve your symptoms Hyperinsulinemia -
Hypoglycaemia is cause by high post-prandial levels of lipemia, high percentage of visceral fat
High fat meal and carbohydrates consumed with high amount of fat are the major cause of high level
of post-prandial lipemia

Niky

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margo

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Everything I know about hypoglycemia is from a friend of mine who has it and my cousin who also
has this condition.

That's why you don't know anything.

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Hypos are usually brought on by overeating or skipping meals. There are other factors as well such
as not getting enough rest or stresses on the body such as illness or stressfull activity. Refined
sugars, anything which would spike BGs causes you to overproduce insulin. This causes the Hypo.
The key to avoiding Hypos then is to eat many smaller meals. Maybee 3 small meals and 3 snacks.
Definately avoid alcohol and any medicaions that can lower BGs.

Everything you said is either wrong or a distortion of the truth.

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Hypos can be quite severe and require hospitalization to properly treat.

Usually this is NOT the case.

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If your readings are consitintly that low I would say you have poor control over your BGs and need
to take a new approach.

As this was about someone who is not a diabetic, and also not having a BG that is constantly low, I
believe that "poor control" is not an issue at all. Any new approach should be to make an
appointment with a physician to properly diagnose the cause of the problem. Hypoglycemia in a non-
diabetic can be caused from a variety of treatable problems.

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I also agree that "people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of sugar at any time
including for hypos." unless under the careful supervision of a Dr..

Then, you are just plain crazy.

WiseWords, See below...

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"Stephanie Kolban" <[email hidden]> WROTE: Because I know nothing about hypoglycemia, I
cannot comment on whether or not it is prudent for a hypoglycemic to use orange juice to raise
their sugars. (I'm Type 1, and use it all the time to get my sugars up, so I know it is
effective.)

Maybe it causes a crash later on??? (I'm curious, so any input you have would be
appreciated.) Steph

If you are a Type 1 diabetic, you most certainly know about hypoglycemia, low blood sugars,
specifically low blood glucose, (BG).

When I reread my response, I realized that I was not clear. You're correct, as a T1, I am all too
familiar with hypos. I meant that I am not familiar with the ins and outs of hypoglycemia as a
condition. Sorry, my response sounded ludicrous.

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Sometimes, it can occur in a person without diabetes, for a variety of reasons, as has been listed
by other posters.

Whatever the cause for the low BG, NEVER ignore it, or think that it will go away on its own.
There is a possibility that out of desperation to avoid shock & death, the body will start to
digest fat, but by the time that happens, the person may be passed out, or in convulsions, or have
been suffering from a low blood sugar for hours. This is not good.

Been there, done that, passed out and needed the glucagon shot. (At night, I do not ignore hypos.)

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Some people, with a pancreas that is producing some insulin, may find that when taking only a
source of carbohydrate, the pancreas will over-produce insulin and keep them low, or bring them
back down too far. The solution for those people is to also have something else to eat that will
be absorbed more slowly, such as sandwich from cold-cuts, cheese, tuna fish, or PB & Jelly.
Testing the BG will allow one to know how much food to eat for the next time. Better to eat too
much than not enough !

Thanks. I figured that was why a person who has a hypoglycemic condition would be advised to not
only drink oj when their sugars drop. They should supplement the carbs with a protein so their
pancreas won't overshoot the carbs they've just ingested to get rid of the hypo in the first place.

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Diabetics who get extremely low may also need to eat something else besides only a source
of carbs.

Why? (Assuming you are talking about T1s who don't produce insulin on their own.) I've been in the
lower 30s, and just used oj to come out of it. Granted, it was a lot of oj, and then I spike later.
But, I have never had a second crash by using oj alone. I've elongated the time spent in a hypo by
eating a chocolate candy bar (the fat slows down the sugar absorbtion), and have recrashed after
that, but not with straight carbs.

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Often, non-diabetics with a problem of hypoglycemia, or new diabetics, do not realize when they
are low. This causes them to ignore it, or think that it is not that big a deal. It IS that big a
deal, and should not be ignored.

No kidding! These little darlings do not go away on their own. They also love to come on at the most
inappropriate times! (Ever notice that?) Mine really love to come on when I am stuck in traffic,
running late for something, church, etc. I try to always keep skittles or mentos with me.

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Not having enough glucose in the blood is analogous to not having enough Oxygen. The person
becomes confused, disoriented, or out of sorts. Replacing the O2 or the sugar, will solve
whichever problem one is having, Then they can go on with their business.

When I was working, my co-workers knew me well enough to tell me to check my sugars if I
acted weird.

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In the case of hypoglycemia, a low BG, some people will appear to be irritable, stubborn, or
unruly. It is because of the lack of a normal level of sugar. Trying to have a rational
conversation with someone in that condition is difficult. At the first symptom of weakness, the
person needs to take some form of sugar. Most diabetics realize this; some non-diabetics or Type
2's do not.

Thanks for the explaination about why it is better for those with a hypoglycemic condition to eat
protein with their carbs. Also, sorry again for my poorly worded response. Steph

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Everything I know about hypoglycemia is from a friend of mine who has it

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my cousin who also has this condition.

That's why you don't know anything.

I did make sure to qualify what I know (wrongly or rightly) is only from two people I know. Not from
having it or studying it. Thanks for pointing out my ignorance. They probably didn't tell me
everything or may not understand it correctly themselves. Both have been hospitalized for it.

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Hypos are usually brought on by overeating or skipping meals. There are other factors as well
such as not getting enough rest or stresses on the body such as illness or

stressfull

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activity. Refined sugars, anything which would spike BGs causes you to overproduce insulin. This
causes the Hypo. The key to avoiding Hypos

then

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is to eat many smaller meals. Maybee 3 small meals and 3 snacks. Definately avoid alcohol and
any medicaions that can lower BGs.

Everything you said is either wrong or a distortion of the truth.

Not my intention. Refer to above.

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Hypos can be quite severe and require hospitalization to properly treat.

Usually this is NOT the case.

That is comforting. I can worry a little less about them now.

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If your readings are consitintly that low I would say you have poor

control

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over your BGs and need to take a new approach.

As this was about someone who is not a diabetic, and also not having a BG that is constantly low,
I believe that "poor control" is not an issue at all. Any new approach should be to make an
appointment with a physician to properly diagnose the cause of the problem. Hypoglycemia in a non-
diabetic can be caused from a variety of treatable problems.

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I also agree that "people with hypoglycemia should not take any form of sugar at any time
including for hypos." unless under the careful supervision of a Dr..

Then, you are just plain crazy.

Here I have to disagree. My psychologist says I am not crazy. He did mention something about being
BiPolar(sp?) though.

Vince I usually don't know anything till I know everything and then I go back to knowing
nothing again.