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  1. So I've been trading a couple of mails with Chef Greg on why i can't get my
    pizza crust to look like the one in the photos (or in fact be even partially
    edible ;-)). He hasn't yet gotten back to this latest mail but I thought I'd
    put the question out here for you brilliant chefs to help out :-)

    So here's the EXACT step by step of what I did, and pictures of the dough at
    various phases can be found at
    http://www.richardgoodwin.com/gallery/carbquik
    Recipe is online at
    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/Recipes/pizza.html

    1. Pour 1 cup and then 1/2 cup CarbQuik into a 1 cup and a 1/2 cup measuring
    cup(s) and dump them into a glass bowl. The Carbquik has definite "clumps"
    like small rocks that collapse if you pinch them but I didn't really go
    after them. I slightly smoothed the top of the cups to level them. The
    texture is not like what I think of when I think of sifted flour. Maybe this
    is the first point at which things go wrong (flour has wrong texture, not
    "sifted"?).
    2. Add 3/4 tbsp baking powder to bowl (suggested by group and Chef Greg)
    3. Run hot water on tap until it gets as hot as I think it's going to, and
    draw off 1/3 cup. (Last time I boiled the water then took it out of the
    microwave and waited for it to stop bubbling).
    4. Pour water into bowl on top of mix.
    5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I suspect
    this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or other
    method?)
    6. When mix is basically sticking in one large mass, start kneading the
    dough. What I call kneading is pushing the ball down in the bowl with my
    knuckles then folding it over and doing it over and over again.
    7. The dough gets mostly non-sticky, although occasionally little bits will
    stick to the side of the bowl. I don't think it's really "firm", or at least
    not what I think of as firm. It still pulls apart somewhat easily. I notice
    it's dimply and has crevasses, not a single smooth ball. This is a bad sign
    too I think.
    8. This time I let it set for 15 minutes in the bowl. I didn't notice any
    change in size or texture, it's still a dense ball and not fluffy, My
    fingerprints etc remain clearly imprinted. (suggested by Chef Greg)
    9. Press into a cookie sheet covered with Reynolds Release foil and sprayed
    with
    Pam. I used a conical glass to "roll" the dough out. It seemed to be more
    cohesive than last time, but it may have been because I was using a glass
    instead of my hands. Think I probably got it out to 9" or so.
    10. Pre-bake for 5 minutes at 450. Dough rises somewhat, I see it start to
    brown on the bottom. The dough is VERY dimply and cratered, not smooth at
    all. (Not mixed properly?)
    11. Brush on tomato sauce, seasoning, cheese, pepperoni. Bake for 8 more
    minutes. Dough doesn't rise any more, just browns a lot around the bottom
    quarter of the outside, and texture doesn't change. It's about 10000 miles
    away from the smooth golden brown texture I see in the pictures.

    So, hopefully this sheds some light and maybe helps you pinpoint how I am
    screwing this seemingly simple recipe up each time :-)

    Richard
    247/190/175

  2. RT <[email hidden]> quoth:

    Quoted message said:

    5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I suspect
    this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or other
    method?)

    The recipe says to "beat." That means with a mixer or *vigorously* with a
    wooden spoon or the like. You missed that step. That's where the texture
    went awry.

    Quoted message said:

    6. When mix is basically sticking in one large mass, start kneading the
    dough. What I call kneading is pushing the ball down in the bowl with my
    knuckles then folding it over and doing it over and over again.

    Priscilla

  3. "Priscilla H Ballou" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    RT <[email hidden]> quoth:

    Quoted message said:

    5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I


    suspect

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or other
    method?)

    The recipe says to "beat." That means with a mixer or *vigorously* with a
    wooden spoon or the like. You missed that step. That's where the texture
    went awry.

    Priscilla,

    The recipe says to stir it together, then beat it. What I see is that after
    about two stirring "circles" with my hands (roughly equivalent to a large
    spoon ;-)), the water is essentially absorbed into the still clumpy mix, so
    I wasn't sure how much additional combining/texture changes would be
    accomplished with a mixer or spoon. I just figured it would gum up around
    the beaters on my mixer (which doesn't really have a low speed anyway).
    However, what you said makes sense; I'll try that when I get my next box(es)
    on Friday.

    They put new recipes up that all sound delicious as well, if I can conquer
    the apparently simple act of mixing powder and water ;-)

    Has anyone done any [more] testing with a BG meter to determine if this
    stuff is as tame as it seems? I'm still not gaining (and not currently
    losing over the past week, but I tend to blame the beer and birthday cake
    more than the small Carbquik indulgence ;-)).

    Richard

  4. I don't know if this will necessarily solve your problem (haven't made
    pizza myself) but you might want to read their recipe FAQ:

    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/recipe-faq.htm

    It seems to have some troubleshooting info for recipes.

    "RT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    So I've been trading a couple of mails with Chef Greg on why i can't get my
    pizza crust to look like the one in the photos (or in fact be even partially
    edible ;-)). He hasn't yet gotten back to this latest mail but I thought I'd
    put the question out here for you brilliant chefs to help out :-)

    So here's the EXACT step by step of what I did, and pictures of the dough at
    various phases can be found at
    http://www.richardgoodwin.com/gallery/carbquik
    Recipe is online at
    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/Recipes/pizza.html

    1. Pour 1 cup and then 1/2 cup CarbQuik into a 1 cup and a 1/2 cup measuring
    cup(s) and dump them into a glass bowl. The Carbquik has definite "clumps"
    like small rocks that collapse if you pinch them but I didn't really go
    after them. I slightly smoothed the top of the cups to level them. The
    texture is not like what I think of when I think of sifted flour. Maybe this
    is the first point at which things go wrong (flour has wrong texture, not
    "sifted"?).
    2. Add 3/4 tbsp baking powder to bowl (suggested by group and Chef Greg)
    3. Run hot water on tap until it gets as hot as I think it's going to, and
    draw off 1/3 cup. (Last time I boiled the water then took it out of the
    microwave and waited for it to stop bubbling).
    4. Pour water into bowl on top of mix.
    5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I suspect
    this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or other
    method?)
    6. When mix is basically sticking in one large mass, start kneading the
    dough. What I call kneading is pushing the ball down in the bowl with my
    knuckles then folding it over and doing it over and over again.
    7. The dough gets mostly non-sticky, although occasionally little bits will
    stick to the side of the bowl. I don't think it's really "firm", or at least
    not what I think of as firm. It still pulls apart somewhat easily. I notice
    it's dimply and has crevasses, not a single smooth ball. This is a bad sign
    too I think.
    8. This time I let it set for 15 minutes in the bowl. I didn't notice any
    change in size or texture, it's still a dense ball and not fluffy, My
    fingerprints etc remain clearly imprinted. (suggested by Chef Greg)
    9. Press into a cookie sheet covered with Reynolds Release foil and sprayed
    with
    Pam. I used a conical glass to "roll" the dough out. It seemed to be more
    cohesive than last time, but it may have been because I was using a glass
    instead of my hands. Think I probably got it out to 9" or so.
    10. Pre-bake for 5 minutes at 450. Dough rises somewhat, I see it start to
    brown on the bottom. The dough is VERY dimply and cratered, not smooth at
    all. (Not mixed properly?)
    11. Brush on tomato sauce, seasoning, cheese, pepperoni. Bake for 8 more
    minutes. Dough doesn't rise any more, just browns a lot around the bottom
    quarter of the outside, and texture doesn't change. It's about 10000 miles
    away from the smooth golden brown texture I see in the pictures.

    So, hopefully this sheds some light and maybe helps you pinpoint how I am
    screwing this seemingly simple recipe up each time :-)

    Richard
    247/190/175

  5. I was just getting ready to post that FAQ troubleshooting for Robert in case
    he missed that and then up pops your post, lol..

    Mary

    "oren0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if this will necessarily solve your problem (haven't made
    pizza myself) but you might want to read their recipe FAQ:

    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/recipe-faq.htm

    It seems to have some troubleshooting info for recipes.

    "RT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So I've been trading a couple of mails with Chef Greg on why i can't get


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pizza crust to look like the one in the photos (or in fact be even


    partially

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    edible ;-)). He hasn't yet gotten back to this latest mail but I thought


    I'd

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    put the question out here for you brilliant chefs to help out :-)

    So here's the EXACT step by step of what I did, and pictures of the


    dough at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    various phases can be found at
    http://www.richardgoodwin.com/gallery/carbquik
    Recipe is online at
    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/Recipes/pizza.html

    1. Pour 1 cup and then 1/2 cup CarbQuik into a 1 cup and a 1/2 cup


    measuring

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cup(s) and dump them into a glass bowl. The Carbquik has definite


    "clumps"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    like small rocks that collapse if you pinch them but I didn't really go
    after them. I slightly smoothed the top of the cups to level them. The
    texture is not like what I think of when I think of sifted flour. Maybe


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is the first point at which things go wrong (flour has wrong texture,


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "sifted"?).
    2. Add 3/4 tbsp baking powder to bowl (suggested by group and Chef Greg)
    3. Run hot water on tap until it gets as hot as I think it's going to,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    draw off 1/3 cup. (Last time I boiled the water then took it out of the
    microwave and waited for it to stop bubbling).
    4. Pour water into bowl on top of mix.
    5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I


    suspect

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or other
    method?)
    6. When mix is basically sticking in one large mass, start kneading the
    dough. What I call kneading is pushing the ball down in the bowl with my
    knuckles then folding it over and doing it over and over again.
    7. The dough gets mostly non-sticky, although occasionally little bits


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stick to the side of the bowl. I don't think it's really "firm", or at


    least

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not what I think of as firm. It still pulls apart somewhat easily. I


    notice

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's dimply and has crevasses, not a single smooth ball. This is a bad


    sign

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    too I think.
    8. This time I let it set for 15 minutes in the bowl. I didn't notice


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    change in size or texture, it's still a dense ball and not fluffy, My
    fingerprints etc remain clearly imprinted. (suggested by Chef Greg)
    9. Press into a cookie sheet covered with Reynolds Release foil and


    sprayed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with
    Pam. I used a conical glass to "roll" the dough out. It seemed to be


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cohesive than last time, but it may have been because I was using a


    glass

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    instead of my hands. Think I probably got it out to 9" or so.
    10. Pre-bake for 5 minutes at 450. Dough rises somewhat, I see it start


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    brown on the bottom. The dough is VERY dimply and cratered, not smooth


    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all. (Not mixed properly?)
    11. Brush on tomato sauce, seasoning, cheese, pepperoni. Bake for 8 more
    minutes. Dough doesn't rise any more, just browns a lot around the


    bottom

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quarter of the outside, and texture doesn't change. It's about 10000


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    away from the smooth golden brown texture I see in the pictures.

    So, hopefully this sheds some light and maybe helps you pinpoint how I


    am

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    screwing this seemingly simple recipe up each time :-)

    Richard
    247/190/175

  6. Mary,

    By Robert I'm thinking you mean Richard? :-)

    Oren0,

    I swear that wasn't there before ;-) ARe you secretly Mr. Tova, adding
    things to the site as we talk about them? ;-)

    Richard

    "Mary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was just getting ready to post that FAQ troubleshooting for Robert in


    case

    Quoted message said:

    he missed that and then up pops your post, lol..

    Mary

    "oren0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if this will necessarily solve your problem (haven't made
    pizza myself) but you might want to read their recipe FAQ:

    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/recipe-faq.htm

    It seems to have some troubleshooting info for recipes.

    "RT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So I've been trading a couple of mails with Chef Greg on why i can't


    get

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pizza crust to look like the one in the photos (or in fact be even


    partially

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    edible ;-)). He hasn't yet gotten back to this latest mail but I


    thought

    Quoted message said:

    I'd

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    put the question out here for you brilliant chefs to help out :-)

    So here's the EXACT step by step of what I did, and pictures of the


    dough at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    various phases can be found at
    http://www.richardgoodwin.com/gallery/carbquik
    Recipe is online at
    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/Recipes/pizza.html

    1. Pour 1 cup and then 1/2 cup CarbQuik into a 1 cup and a 1/2 cup


    measuring

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cup(s) and dump them into a glass bowl. The Carbquik has definite


    "clumps"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    like small rocks that collapse if you pinch them but I didn't really


    go

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    after them. I slightly smoothed the top of the cups to level them. The
    texture is not like what I think of when I think of sifted flour.


    Maybe

    Quoted message said:

    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is the first point at which things go wrong (flour has wrong texture,


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "sifted"?).
    2. Add 3/4 tbsp baking powder to bowl (suggested by group and Chef


    Greg)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    3. Run hot water on tap until it gets as hot as I think it's going to,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    draw off 1/3 cup. (Last time I boiled the water then took it out of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    microwave and waited for it to stop bubbling).
    4. Pour water into bowl on top of mix.
    5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I


    suspect

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or other
    method?)
    6. When mix is basically sticking in one large mass, start kneading


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dough. What I call kneading is pushing the ball down in the bowl with


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    knuckles then folding it over and doing it over and over again.
    7. The dough gets mostly non-sticky, although occasionally little


    bits

    Quoted message said:

    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stick to the side of the bowl. I don't think it's really "firm", or at


    least

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not what I think of as firm. It still pulls apart somewhat easily. I


    notice

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's dimply and has crevasses, not a single smooth ball. This is a bad


    sign

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    too I think.
    8. This time I let it set for 15 minutes in the bowl. I didn't notice


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    change in size or texture, it's still a dense ball and not fluffy, My
    fingerprints etc remain clearly imprinted. (suggested by Chef Greg)
    9. Press into a cookie sheet covered with Reynolds Release foil and


    sprayed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with
    Pam. I used a conical glass to "roll" the dough out. It seemed to be


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cohesive than last time, but it may have been because I was using a


    glass

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    instead of my hands. Think I probably got it out to 9" or so.
    10. Pre-bake for 5 minutes at 450. Dough rises somewhat, I see it


    start

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    brown on the bottom. The dough is VERY dimply and cratered, not smooth


    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all. (Not mixed properly?)
    11. Brush on tomato sauce, seasoning, cheese, pepperoni. Bake for 8


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    minutes. Dough doesn't rise any more, just browns a lot around the


    bottom

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quarter of the outside, and texture doesn't change. It's about 10000


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    away from the smooth golden brown texture I see in the pictures.

    So, hopefully this sheds some light and maybe helps you pinpoint how I


    am

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    screwing this seemingly simple recipe up each time :-)

    Richard
    247/190/175

  7. Sorry about that Richard.

    Mary

    "RT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mary,

    By Robert I'm thinking you mean Richard? :-)

    Oren0,

    I swear that wasn't there before ;-) ARe you secretly Mr. Tova, adding
    things to the site as we talk about them? ;-)

    Richard

    "Mary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was just getting ready to post that FAQ troubleshooting for Robert in


    case

    Quoted message said:

    he missed that and then up pops your post, lol..

    Mary

    "oren0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if this will necessarily solve your problem (haven't made
    pizza myself) but you might want to read their recipe FAQ:

    http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/recipe-faq.htm

    It seems to have some troubleshooting info for recipes.

    "RT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    > So I've been trading a couple of mails with Chef Greg on why i can't


    get

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:

    > pizza crust to look like the one in the photos (or in fact be even


    partially

    Quoted message said:

    > edible ;-)). He hasn't yet gotten back to this latest mail but I


    thought

    Quoted message said:

    I'd

    Quoted message said:

    > put the question out here for you brilliant chefs to help out :-)
    >
    > So here's the EXACT step by step of what I did, and pictures of the


    dough at

    Quoted message said:

    > various phases can be found at
    > http://www.richardgoodwin.com/gallery/carbquik
    > Recipe is online at
    > http://www.tovaindustries.com/Carbalose/Recipes/pizza.html
    >
    >
    > 1. Pour 1 cup and then 1/2 cup CarbQuik into a 1 cup and a 1/2 cup


    measuring

    Quoted message said:

    > cup(s) and dump them into a glass bowl. The Carbquik has definite


    "clumps"

    Quoted message said:

    > like small rocks that collapse if you pinch them but I didn't really


    go

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > after them. I slightly smoothed the top of the cups to level them.


    The

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > texture is not like what I think of when I think of sifted flour.


    Maybe

    Quoted message said:

    this

    Quoted message said:

    > is the first point at which things go wrong (flour has wrong


    texture,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not

    Quoted message said:

    > "sifted"?).
    > 2. Add 3/4 tbsp baking powder to bowl (suggested by group and Chef


    Greg)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > 3. Run hot water on tap until it gets as hot as I think it's going


    to,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    > draw off 1/3 cup. (Last time I boiled the water then took it out of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > microwave and waited for it to stop bubbling).
    > 4. Pour water into bowl on top of mix.
    > 5. Using hands, "swirl" mix around while water is being absorbed. I


    suspect

    Quoted message said:

    > this is where things go wrong also. (Should have used a mixer or


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > method?)
    > 6. When mix is basically sticking in one large mass, start kneading


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > dough. What I call kneading is pushing the ball down in the bowl


    with

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > knuckles then folding it over and doing it over and over again.
    > 7. The dough gets mostly non-sticky, although occasionally little


    bits

    Quoted message said:

    will

    Quoted message said:

    > stick to the side of the bowl. I don't think it's really "firm", or


    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    least

    Quoted message said:

    > not what I think of as firm. It still pulls apart somewhat easily. I


    notice

    Quoted message said:

    > it's dimply and has crevasses, not a single smooth ball. This is a


    bad

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sign

    Quoted message said:

    > too I think.
    > 8. This time I let it set for 15 minutes in the bowl. I didn't


    notice

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any

    Quoted message said:

    > change in size or texture, it's still a dense ball and not fluffy,


    My

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > fingerprints etc remain clearly imprinted. (suggested by Chef Greg)
    > 9. Press into a cookie sheet covered with Reynolds Release foil and


    sprayed

    Quoted message said:

    > with
    > Pam. I used a conical glass to "roll" the dough out. It seemed to be


    more

    Quoted message said:

    > cohesive than last time, but it may have been because I was using a


    glass

    Quoted message said:

    > instead of my hands. Think I probably got it out to 9" or so.
    > 10. Pre-bake for 5 minutes at 450. Dough rises somewhat, I see it


    start

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    > brown on the bottom. The dough is VERY dimply and cratered, not


    smooth

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    > all. (Not mixed properly?)
    > 11. Brush on tomato sauce, seasoning, cheese, pepperoni. Bake for 8


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > minutes. Dough doesn't rise any more, just browns a lot around the


    bottom

    Quoted message said:

    > quarter of the outside, and texture doesn't change. It's about 10000


    miles

    Quoted message said:

    > away from the smooth golden brown texture I see in the pictures.
    >
    > So, hopefully this sheds some light and maybe helps you pinpoint how


    I

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    > screwing this seemingly simple recipe up each time :-)
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