HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!

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I am now on WW points. I am slowly losing weight, eating
a balanced diet and do not feel hungry.

==> If you can stick with WW it is a better balanced diet,
==> but many people
fail as shown on TVs 20/20 and in the NYTimes. Few people
stick with it for even a year.

If I remember correctly about 5% of people succeed in
keeping the weight off after a diet. All diets are about
the same. Interestingly it's about the same with giving
up smoking.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

I am having better success with losing weight than stopping smoking, Lee
ray miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

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I am now on WW points. I am slowly losing weight,
eating a balanced

diet

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and do not feel hungry.

==> If you can stick with WW it is a better balanced
==> diet, but many

people

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fail as shown on TVs 20/20 and in the NYTimes. Few people
stick with it

for

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even a year.

If I remember correctly about 5% of people succeed in
keeping the weight off after a diet. All diets are about
the same. Interestingly it's about the same with giving up
smoking.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

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==> You haven't read any of the books on low-carbing.
==> Didn't you read the
article in the NYTimes *proving* blood cholesterol and
triglicerides IMPROVED on the low-carb diets? Atkins died
from complications of a fall on ice in NYC. The books
explain the problem with consuming fats with carbos. Check
a low-carb website. I'm sure you already know cutting back
on fats has caused Americans to be the fattest people on
earth - CARBS make us fat, not normal amounts of fats in
our diet.

This is twaddle.

Cutting back on fat isn't the cause of people being
overweight. Overeating is the cause of people being
overweight. There must be other factors, but they pale into
insignificance beside overeating.

It's a simple equation - eat too much, get fat. Eat just
enough, stay slim.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

Wysong *~ said:

"Texas Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Don't know
if it is an

issue

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for you or not. I struggled with weight all my life and
now have finally figured out what I was doing wrong all
those years. I was not eating enough! If you eat too
little, your body goes into starvation mode and it won't
lose any weight. I am also hypothyroid and this is more
common with hypos. Every time I stopped losing, I made a
point to eat MORE and it worked for me. I have lost 65
lbs. in the last year.

=> This does not apply to everyone... as soon as I go over
=> 1100 calories a
day I start to GAIN weight. And will KEEP gaining and
gaining....... No one gets thinner by eating MORE calories.
If that were the case we'd all start overeating again and
look like Twiggy. The more we ate the thinner we'd get.

So your maintenance is 1100 a day? I think there's more to
this than you are telling us, cos on the face of it that
can't be true.

If I remember correctly you are slightly overweight and not
exactly petite? Is that right? You tried to do low carbs but
couldn't get it to work 'cos you kept eating donuts? Do tell
us how many calories there are in a donut and a capuccino?

Ray

--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

but Ray, you are asking for the hardest thing here... to accept your logic
forces the individual considering it to realize that there is a great deal
of personal responsibility to be had when dealing with issues like weight
loss. Yes, I had other health issues that caused me to gain weight, but had
I been eating properly they weight would never have gotten so high, and it
is the same with smoking, I can say I am addicted, I can blame the tobacco
company if I want, but I don't recall any of their executives coming to my
house and forcing me to start or continue... I have accepted that it is my
fault I started and it is up to me to quit. I am also realistic and know
that is a battle that will wait until I deal with my weight. Lee
ray miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

==> You haven't read any of the books on low-carbing.
==> Didn't you read

the

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Quoted message said:

article in the NYTimes *proving* blood cholesterol and
triglicerides IMPROVED on the low-carb diets? Atkins died
from complications of a

fall

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Quoted message said:

on ice in NYC. The books explain the problem with
consuming fats with carbos. Check a low-carb website. I'm
sure you already know cutting

back

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Quoted message said:

on fats has caused Americans to be the fattest people on
earth - CARBS

make

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us fat, not normal amounts of fats in our diet.

This is twaddle.

Cutting back on fat isn't the cause of people being
overweight. Overeating is the cause of people being
overweight. There must be other factors, but they pale
into insignificance beside overeating.

It's a simple equation - eat too much, get fat. Eat just
enough, stay slim.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

Ray -

You have the wrong person. I tried the low-carbs and no-
carbs route when I was a teenager before Atkins was invented
and it didn't work for me. Only Weight Watchers works for
me. No doughnuts or cappuccino in my past either even at my
top weight. I hate cappuccinos. Also I am not on
maintenance, but still losing weight - have 1.6 lbs to go to
goal. I started at 206 and am now 141.6. I eat 20 to 23
points each day and earn 4 to 6 points in exercise each day.

I try to share the secret to my weight loss and most
everyone scoffs. Hey, it's no skin off my nose whether you
believe me or not. If you must know what I eat - I have 6 to
7 fruits and vegetables a day, 1 cup of 1 % milk and 1 slice
of 2% cheese, a sandwich with two slices of Turkey, 2
regular slices of bread, tomatoes, pickles, lettuce, and fat
free mayonnaise. For supper it is 4 to 5 points of protein.
My treat is a Weight Watchers ice cream sandwich almost
every day. I weigh every day and when I stop losing for
several days in a row, I eat an extra 10 to 20 points to get
the weight loss going again (modified Wendie Plan).
Everytime I forget to add the extra points, I hit a plateau.

Jill in Texas

206.6 / 141.6 / 140

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Wysong *~ said:

"Texas Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Don't
know if it is an

issue

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for you or not. I struggled with weight all my life and
now have

finally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

figured out what I was doing wrong all those years. I
was not eating enough! If you eat too little, your body
goes into starvation mode and

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

won't lose any weight. I am also hypothyroid and this
is more common

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hypos. Every time I stopped losing, I made a point to
eat MORE and it worked for me. I have lost 65 lbs. in
the last year.

=> This does not apply to everyone... as soon as I go
=> over 1100 calories

a

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Quoted message said:

day I start to GAIN weight. And will KEEP gaining and
gaining.......

No

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

one gets thinner by eating MORE calories. If that were
the case we'd all start overeating again and look like
Twiggy. The more we ate the thinner we'd get.

So your maintenance is 1100 a day? I think there's more to
this than you are telling us, cos on the face of it that
can't be true.

If I remember correctly you are slightly overweight and
not exactly petite? Is that right? You tried to do low
carbs but couldn't get it to work 'cos you kept eating
donuts? Do tell us how many calories there are in a donut
and a capuccino?

Ray

--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

You are doing really well. If I can read the THREAD TREE
correctly, you were not the one he was replying to. But when
threads get stretched out and woven between posters it
becomes harder to track (G)

I think shaking it up with occasional extra points
does work.

Texas Girl said:

Ray -

You have the wrong person. I tried the low-carbs and no-
carbs route when I was a teenager before Atkins was
invented and it didn't work for me. Only Weight Watchers
works for me. No doughnuts or cappuccino in my past
either even at my top weight. I hate cappuccinos. Also I
am not on maintenance, but still losing weight - have 1.6
lbs to go to goal. I started at 206 and am now 141.6. I
eat 20 to 23 points each day and earn 4 to 6 points in
exercise each day.

I try to share the secret to my weight loss and most
everyone scoffs. Hey, it's no skin off my nose whether
you believe me or not. If you must know what I eat - I
have 6 to 7 fruits and vegetables a day, 1 cup of 1 %
milk and 1 slice of 2% cheese, a sandwich with two slices
of Turkey, 2 regular slices of bread, tomatoes, pickles,
lettuce, and fat free mayonnaise. For supper it is 4 to 5
points of protein. My treat is a Weight Watchers ice
cream sandwich almost every day. I weigh every day and
when I stop losing for several days in a row, I eat an
extra 10 to 20 points to get the weight loss going again
(modified Wendie Plan). Everytime I forget to add the
extra points, I hit a plateau.

Jill in Texas

206.6 / 141.6 / 140

"ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Wysong *~ said:

"Texas Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Don't
> know if it is an
issue
> for you or not. I struggled with weight all my life
> and now have

finally

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Quoted message said:

> figured out what I was doing wrong all those years. I
> was not eating enough! If you eat too little, your
> body goes into starvation mode and

it

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Quoted message said:

> won't lose any weight. I am also hypothyroid and this
> is more common

with

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Quoted message said:

> hypos. Every time I stopped losing, I made a point to
> eat MORE and it worked for me. I have lost 65 lbs. in
> the last year.

=> This does not apply to everyone... as soon as I go
=> over 1100 calories

a

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Quoted message said:

day I start to GAIN weight. And will KEEP gaining and
gaining.......

No

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

one gets thinner by eating MORE calories. If that were
the case we'd all start overeating again and look like
Twiggy. The more we ate the thinner we'd get.

So your maintenance is 1100 a day? I think there's more
to this than you are telling us, cos on the face of it
that can't be true.

If I remember correctly you are slightly overweight and
not exactly petite? Is that right? You tried to do low
carbs but couldn't get it to work 'cos you kept eating
donuts? Do tell us how many calories there are in a donut
and a capuccino?

Ray

--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

Fred,

Thanks. Guess I over-reacted a bit. Sorry I messed up on the
thread tree. And I appreciate your kind words.

Jill

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You are doing really well. If I can read the THREAD TREE
correctly, you were not the one he was replying to. But
when threads get stretched out and woven between posters
it becomes harder to track (G)

I think shaking it up with occasional extra points
does work.

Texas Girl said:

Ray -

You have the wrong person. I tried the low-carbs and no-
carbs route when

I

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Quoted message said:

was a teenager before Atkins was invented and it didn't
work for me.

Only

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Quoted message said:

Weight Watchers works for me. No doughnuts or cappuccino
in my past

either

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Quoted message said:

even at my top weight. I hate cappuccinos. Also I
am not on

maintenance,

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but still losing weight - have 1.6 lbs to go to goal. I
started at 206

and

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am now 141.6. I eat 20 to 23 points each day and earn 4
to 6 points in exercise each day.

I try to share the secret to my weight loss and most
everyone scoffs.

Hey,

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it's no skin off my nose whether you believe me or not.
If you must know what I eat - I have 6 to 7 fruits and
vegetables a day, 1 cup of 1 % milk and 1 slice of 2%
cheese, a sandwich with two slices of Turkey, 2 regular
slices of bread, tomatoes, pickles, lettuce, and fat free
mayonnaise.

For

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Quoted message said:

supper it is 4 to 5 points of protein. My treat is a
Weight Watchers ice cream sandwich almost every day. I
weigh every day and when I stop

losing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for several days in a row, I eat an extra 10 to 20 points
to get the

weight

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loss going again (modified Wendie Plan). Everytime I
forget to add the extra points, I hit a plateau.

Jill in Texas

206.6 / 141.6 / 140

"ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:06:42 -0500, "Wysong *~"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>"Texas Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Don't
>> know if it is

an

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>issue
>> for you or not. I struggled with weight all my life
>> and now have

finally

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>> figured out what I was doing wrong all those years.
>> I was not

eating

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>> enough! If you eat too little, your body goes into
>> starvation mode

and

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it

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>> won't lose any weight. I am also hypothyroid and
>> this is more

common

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with

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>> hypos. Every time I stopped losing, I made a point
>> to eat MORE and

it

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>> worked for me. I have lost 65 lbs. in the last year.
>
>=> This does not apply to everyone... as soon as I go
>=> over 1100

calories

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Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

>day I start to GAIN weight. And will KEEP gaining and
>gaining.......

No

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>one gets thinner by eating MORE calories. If that were
>the case we'd

all

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>start overeating again and look like Twiggy. The more
>we ate the

thinner

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>we'd get.

So your maintenance is 1100 a day? I think there's more
to this than you are telling us, cos on the face of it
that can't be true.

If I remember correctly you are slightly overweight and
not exactly petite? Is that right? You tried to do low
carbs but couldn't get it to work 'cos you kept eating
donuts? Do tell us how many calories there are in a
donut and a capuccino?

Ray

--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

It's easy to gett confused following the long thread trees.
I think Ray was responding to a familiar asdww troll who
hasn't been around these parts for several months. Maybe
it's the spring weather bringing out the pollen and all.

With fewer than 2 lbs to goal, you have done extremely well.
Congratulations.
--
Linda P
232/153.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Texas Girl said:

Ray -

You have the wrong person. I tried the low-carbs and no-carbs route when I
was a teenager before Atkins was invented and it didn't work for me. Only
Weight Watchers works for me. No doughnuts or cappuccino in my past either
even at my top weight. I hate cappuccinos. Also I am not on maintenance,
but still losing weight - have 1.6 lbs to go to goal. I started at 206 and
am now 141.6. I eat 20 to 23 points each day and earn 4 to 6 points in
exercise each day.

I try to share the secret to my weight loss and most everyone scoffs. Hey,
it's no skin off my nose whether you believe me or not. If you must know
what I eat - I have 6 to 7 fruits and vegetables a day, 1 cup of 1 % milk
and 1 slice of 2% cheese, a sandwich with two slices of Turkey, 2 regular
slices of bread, tomatoes, pickles, lettuce, and fat free mayonnaise. For
supper it is 4 to 5 points of protein. My treat is a Weight Watchers ice
cream sandwich almost every day. I weigh every day and when I stop losing
for several days in a row, I eat an extra 10 to 20 points to get the weight
loss going again (modified Wendie Plan). Everytime I forget to add the
extra points, I hit a plateau.

Jill in Texas

206.6 / 141.6 / 140

"ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Wysong *~ said:

"Texas Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

>I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Don't know if it is an

issue

>for you or not. I struggled with weight all my life and now have

finally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>figured out what I was doing wrong all those years. I was not eating
>enough! If you eat too little, your body goes into starvation mode and

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>won't lose any weight. I am also hypothyroid and this is more common

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>hypos. Every time I stopped losing, I made a point to eat MORE and it
>worked for me. I have lost 65 lbs. in the last year.

=> This does not apply to everyone... as soon as I go over 1100 calories

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

day I start to GAIN weight. And will KEEP gaining and gaining.......

No

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

one gets thinner by eating MORE calories. If that were the case we'd all
start overeating again and look like Twiggy. The more we ate the thinner
we'd get.

So your maintenance is 1100 a day? I think there's more to this than
you are telling us, cos on the face of it that can't be true.

If I remember correctly you are slightly overweight and not exactly
petite? Is that right? You tried to do low carbs but couldn't get it
to work 'cos you kept eating donuts? Do tell us how many calories
there are in a donut and a capuccino?

Ray

--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:46:08 GMT, "Texas Girl" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ray -

You have the wrong person. I tried the low-carbs and no-
carbs route when I was a teenager before Atkins was
invented and it didn't work for me. Only Weight Watchers
works for me. No doughnuts or cappuccino in my past
either even at my top weight. I hate cappuccinos. Also I
am not on maintenance, but still losing weight - have 1.6
lbs to go to goal. I started at 206 and am now 141.6. I
eat 20 to 23 points each day and earn 4 to 6 points in
exercise each day.

I try to share the secret to my weight loss and most
everyone scoffs. Hey, it's no skin off my nose whether
you believe me or not. If you must know what I eat - I
have 6 to 7 fruits and vegetables a day, 1 cup of 1 %
milk and 1 slice of 2% cheese, a sandwich with two slices
of Turkey, 2 regular slices of bread, tomatoes, pickles,
lettuce, and fat free mayonnaise. For supper it is 4 to 5
points of protein. My treat is a Weight Watchers ice
cream sandwich almost every day. I weigh every day and
when I stop losing for several days in a row, I eat an
extra 10 to 20 points to get the weight loss going again
(modified Wendie Plan). Everytime I forget to add the
extra points, I hit a plateau.

Jill in Texas

206.6 / 141.6 / 140

Texasgirl,

You aren't the person I was replying to - I was challenging
Wysong because what she says is incorrect and misleading.

You seem to be doiing really well, and so close to goal.
You must be feeling really good about that. I hope you
make it soon.

FTR I agree with you. 'Starvation mode' definately exists as
has been shown numerous times on here. You mention eating
more to get over a plateau (modified Wendie Plan). There is
good scientific evidence that this is a good strategy. Those
who knock it are doing themselves a disservice.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

Miss Violette said:

I am having better success with losing weight than stopping
smoking, Lee

Sorry to hear about that. You have done very well with
the weight.

I think giving up smoking is a bit like losing weight in
that you have to break habits (lighting up after dinner
etc). Apparently the gum and patches help, but I'm
sceptical. Coming off nicotine was three days of hell, then
nothing. Quitting the lighting up habits, and shaking the 'i
want a ciggy' feeling took a lot longer. Even after 15 years
I still occasionally crave a ciggy!

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

Miss Violette said:

but Ray, you are asking for the hardest thing here... to
accept your logic forces the individual considering it to
realize that there is a great deal of personal
responsibility to be had when dealing with issues like
weight loss. Yes, I had other health issues that caused me
to gain weight, but had I been eating properly they weight
would never have gotten so high, and it is the same with
smoking, I can say I am addicted, I can blame the tobacco
company if I want, but I don't recall any of their
executives coming to my house and forcing me to start or
continue... I have accepted that it is my fault I started
and it is up to me to quit. I am also realistic and know
that is a battle that will wait until I deal with my
weight. Lee

Lee,

You're right. Maybe that is the difference between
succeeding or not. If you think it's CARBS that make you fat
there is nothing you can do to change that. If it's your own
fault (eating too much) you are empowered to change things.
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

I have been working on a plan to quit. Sorta like a substitute for losing
the weight as a focus for when I get to goal. I am hoping I t works. I
will not even attempt it until I have been at my personal goal for a while
so that I am sure the eating issues are in check. When that is done I will
use the patches to have time to try and change the ritual habits. Thanks
for the support, my dad quit 35 years ago and when he pushes back from
dinner he still occasionally goes for the shirt pocket, Lee
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Quoted message said:

Miss Violette said:

I am having better success with losing weight than
stopping smoking, Lee

Sorry to hear about that. You have done very well with
the weight.

I think giving up smoking is a bit like losing weight in
that you have to break habits (lighting up after dinner
etc). Apparently the gum and patches help, but I'm
sceptical. Coming off nicotine was three days of hell,
then nothing. Quitting the lighting up habits, and shaking
the 'i want a ciggy' feeling took a lot longer. Even after
15 years I still occasionally crave a ciggy!

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

it is posters like you that keep this foremost in my mind, Lee
ray miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Miss Violette said:

but Ray, you are asking for the hardest thing here... to
accept your

logic

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

forces the individual considering it to realize that
there is a great

deal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of personal responsibility to be had when dealing with
issues like weight loss. Yes, I had other health issues
that caused me to gain weight, but

had

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I been eating properly they weight would never have
gotten so high, and

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is the same with smoking, I can say I am addicted, I can
blame the

tobacco

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Quoted message said:

company if I want, but I don't recall any of their
executives coming to

my

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Quoted message said:

house and forcing me to start or continue... I have
accepted that it is

my

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Quoted message said:

fault I started and it is up to me to quit. I am also
realistic and know that is a battle that will wait until
I deal with my weight. Lee

Lee,

You're right. Maybe that is the difference between
succeeding or not. If you think it's CARBS that make you
fat there is nothing you can do to change that. If it's
your own fault (eating too much) you are empowered to
change things. Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/198/182

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Miss Violette said:

I am having better success with losing weight than
stopping smoking, Lee

Sorry to hear about that. You have done very well with
the weight.

I think giving up smoking is a bit like losing weight in
that you have to break habits (lighting up after dinner
etc). Apparently the gum and patches help, but I'm
sceptical. Coming off nicotine was three days of hell,
then nothing. Quitting the lighting up habits, and shaking
the 'i want a ciggy' feeling took a lot longer. Even after
15 years I still occasionally crave a ciggy!

I quit in Jan 99 with the help of Zyban (Wellbutrin) and I
still occasionaly want a cigarette. My biggest problem was
the weight gain because the <stupid> doctor never researched
the product. You are supposed to stay on it for 6 months in
order to get through all the psychological issues that
normally lead to eating more after quitting. I can see how
combining the Zyban and WW would be a good combination for
someone who needs to lose weight being successful in quiting
without gaining weight. Of course, hindsight is 20-20. <g

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Quoted message said:

Wysong *~ said:

"Texas Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Don't
know if it is an

issue

Quoted message said:

for you or not. I struggled with weight all my life and
now have

finally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

figured out what I was doing wrong all those years. I
was not eating enough! If you eat too little, your body
goes into starvation mode and

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

won't lose any weight. I am also hypothyroid and this
is more common

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hypos. Every time I stopped losing, I made a point to
eat MORE and it worked for me. I have lost 65 lbs. in
the last year.

=> This does not apply to everyone... as soon as I go
=> over 1100 calories

a

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day I start to GAIN weight. And will KEEP gaining and
gaining.......

No

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one gets thinner by eating MORE calories. If that were
the case we'd all start overeating again and look like
Twiggy. The more we ate the thinner we'd get.

So your maintenance is 1100 a day? I think there's more to
this than you are telling us, cos on the face of it that
can't be true.

If I remember correctly you are slightly overweight and
not exactly petite? Is that right? You tried to do low
carbs but couldn't get it to work 'cos you kept eating
donuts? Do tell us how many calories there are in a donut
and a capuccino?

You are right about wysong. When she left here in November
she was posting as weighing 164. She had given up on WW and
was headed to the low-carb aka Atkins diet. I see that has
not worked either since she is now at 167. I'm not sure she
understands exactly how these programs work. They do work if
you stick to the program. WW just happens to be one that is
a lot easier for the average person to follow. It is not a
DIET but a Way of Life but she fails to realise that and
thus fails at her attempts to lose the weight. She also does
not understand the concept of eating ENOUGH food to keep
from going into starvation mode. I think we'd do best to
just ignore this troll.

Ray,

Thanks and so sorry for the mix-up. I need to be more
careful with the thread trees. I didn't realize that Wysong
was a troll either. Guess I have a lot learn. Your stats are
really great! You will be at goal before you know it.

TexasGirl

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Ray -

You have the wrong person. I tried the low-carbs and no-
carbs route when

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was a teenager before Atkins was invented and it didn't
work for me.

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Weight Watchers works for me. No doughnuts or cappuccino
in my past

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even at my top weight. I hate cappuccinos. Also I
am not on

maintenance,

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but still losing weight - have 1.6 lbs to go to goal. I
started at 206

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am now 141.6. I eat 20 to 23 points each day and earn 4
to 6 points in exercise each day.

I try to share the secret to my weight loss and most
everyone scoffs.

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it's no skin off my nose whether you believe me or not.
If you must know what I eat - I have 6 to 7 fruits and
vegetables a day, 1 cup of 1 % milk and 1 slice of 2%
cheese, a sandwich with two slices of Turkey, 2 regular
slices of bread, tomatoes, pickles, lettuce, and fat free
mayonnaise.

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supper it is 4 to 5 points of protein. My treat is a
Weight Watchers ice cream sandwich almost every day. I
weigh every day and when I stop

losing

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for several days in a row, I eat an extra 10 to 20 points
to get the

weight

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loss going again (modified Wendie Plan). Everytime I
forget to add the extra points, I hit a plateau.

Jill in Texas

206.6 / 141.6 / 140

Texasgirl,

You aren't the person I was replying to - I was
challenging Wysong because what she says is incorrect and
misleading.

You seem to be doiing really well, and so close to goal.
You must be feeling really good about that. I hope you
make it soon.

FTR I agree with you. 'Starvation mode' definately exists
as has been shown numerous times on here. You mention
eating more to get over a plateau (modified Wendie Plan).
There is good scientific evidence that this is a good
strategy. Those who knock it are doing themselves a
disservice.

Ray
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