Help identifying a bike, please. ~1968 or so.

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:56:12 GMT, <ns_sevre@ns_liquiddata.org>

Quoted message said:

I have an old bike that used to be my mom's. She got it in
the late 60's/early 70's. I have no idea what kind it is or
what it is worth. If anyone would like to take a look at
pictures, I've made a page available at:
again.liquiddata.orgbike.htmOpen ↗ Any help would be
appreciated.

Nice looking bike. Try doing web and newsgroup searches on
the stuff that's written on it. oldroads.comoldroads.comOpen ↗ may
be helpful.

I'd suggest putting some air in the tires; it will ride much
better if you inflate them. 😉
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Rick Onanian

Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:56:12 GMT,
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ns_sevre@ns_liquiddata.org said:

again.liquiddata.orgbike.htmOpen ↗ Any help would be
appreciated.

The chromed cutout lugs and Campagnolo equipment would focus
my initial search in the Italian pages here:
classicrendezvous.comItaly.htmlOpen ↗

It doesn't look like any of the Torpado bikes on the site. I
thought it might be one of their production bikes from the
early 70's which did have chromed head lugs.

Any other clues? Thread sizes stamped on BB cups or shell?
Any engraved or stamped names on lugs, stays fork end or
dropout? Any guesses where was it purchased?
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zk

As the story goes, she was living in Philadelphia in the
late 60's/early 70's and was dating the owner of a local
bike shop. Supposedly he was one of the top sellers of
<something> at the time and that manufacturer sent him this
bike. A year or two later he got a nicer one and gave this
one to my mom. She rode it all over the place for a few
years, it has pretty much been stored hanging in her garage
for the last 15-20 years, however. Used to have a Cinelli
frame-mount pump, but that's long since missing,
unfortunately. I'll swing by again tomorrow and get some
more pictures of details, but there isn't really much
stamped on it that I recall.. The handlebar stem is stamped
with 'mod record' on one side and 'mm.75' on the other.

As for putting air in the tires, I brought it to the LBS
to see about getting it running again but they didn't have
the type of tire it would have needed in stock and pretty
much convinced me that getting a newer bike would be
better for starting out with a bike obsession than
restoring the older one right off the bat. Otherwise I
would be riding it right now!

Dave

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Quoted message said:

Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:56:12 GMT,
<[email hidden]>,

ns_sevre@ns_liquiddata.org said:

again.liquiddata.orgbike.htmOpen ↗ Any help would
be appreciated.

The chromed cutout lugs and Campagnolo equipment would
focus my initial search in the Italian pages here:
classicrendezvous.comItaly.htmlOpen ↗

It doesn't look like any of the Torpado bikes on the site.
I thought it might be one of their production bikes from
the early 70's which did have chromed head lugs.

Any other clues? Thread sizes stamped on BB cups or shell?
Any engraved or stamped names on lugs, stays fork end or
dropout? Any guesses where was it purchased?
--
zk

Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:48:45 -0600,
<[email hidden]>,

Dave Eckstein' ns_sevre@ns_liquiddata.org said:

I'll swing by again tomorrow and get some more pictures
of details, but there isn't really much stamped on it
that I recall..

It is, according to its decals, a Di Campli Super Corsa.

It could be a name the dealer chose for his bikes produced
by a larger manufacturere or just some lesser known brand.

sheldonbrown.comvrbn a f.htmlOpen ↗
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zk

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Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:48:45 -0600,
<[email hidden]>, "Dave Eckstein"

ns_sevre@ns_liquiddata.org said:

I'll swing by again tomorrow and get some more pictures
of details, but there isn't really much stamped on it
that I recall..

It is, according to its decals, a Di Campli Super Corsa.

Indeed it is, Zoot. Apparently, we've been had by a guy
plugging his Ebay item. Isn't this it? cgi.ebay.comcgi.ebay.comOpen ↗
ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=3672375013&rd=-
1&ssPageName=WDVW

tinyurl.com2mhlrOpen ↗

Even the story matches:

"Nick DiCampli was the owner of a bike shop in Philadelphia
that was one of the top sellers of cinelli bicycles. Because
of this Cinelli sent him this bike as a 'thank you for your
good work'. A year or two later, the bike was given to a
girlfriend when Nick got a new bike."

So my question to the original poster: Why play so dumb when
you already know what bike it is and have already put it up
for auction? And, now that I'm curious, why did you withdraw
it from auction?

Quoted message said:

As the story goes, she was living in Philadelphia in the
late 60's/early 70's and was dating the owner of a local
bike shop. Supposedly he was one of the top sellers of
<something> at the time and that manufacturer sent him
this bike.

It wasn't uncommon, IIRC, that smaller European
manufacturers would sell in the USA under an importer's
"house" label. I can't find any reference to DiCampli but
obviously it exists, there's an interesting mix of
components on that bike.

The Stronglight crankset is pretty high-end, the derailleurs
are looking like mid-range Campy out of the late Sixties,
and Universal center-pulls were used nearly everywhere.

Tubular racing tires of course, headset might be a
Stronglight, stem obviously a 3ttt, bars probably Cinelli.
No idea on the rims or hubs, hubs MIGHT be Normandy's or
Campy, can't tell.

Very nice condition if the frame is straight, well worth the
work of cleanup and perhaps restoration, IMHO. The spokes
are [censored] and I can't tell which rims they are.

Overall it looks like a bike that might be equivalent in
price to a $1200 road bike today, at the time it was
probably considered the equivalent of a PX-10 and priced
accordingly, say $400 in 1970 dollars.

JMHO.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:48:45 -0600, "Dave Eckstein"

ns_sevre@ns_liquiddata.org said:

As for putting air in the tires, I brought it to the LBS
to see about getting it running again but they didn't have
the type of tire it would have needed in stock and pretty
much convinced me that getting a newer bike would be
better for starting out with a bike obsession than
restoring the older one right off the bat. Otherwise I
would be riding it right now!

You may be right about starting with a new bike and
restoring the old one after you're addicted; however, the
tires are not a good reason to avoid riding this bike.

Is there anybody here who can identify what's special about
those tires?
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Rick Onanian

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:10:59 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Is there anybody here who can identify what's special about
those tires?

As someone else mentioned, a couple of very flat tubular
tires. Evidently since that bike shop didn't carry them,
the bike shop people felt they no longer exist in the
world anymore.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

Yep, that was my posting...

I was posting for my mom, who thought it was a Cinelli. When
I received feedback from people browsing the ebay auction
that it was not, I revised then dropped the auction so as to
not mislead anyone into buying something that I found out it
was not. So now, I'm trying to find out what it actually
IS. And it won't be reposted for auction, since it seems
it's more worthwhile to hang on to it as a cool old
bike than to get fifty or a hundred dollars for it.
<shrug> For $400, she was going to sell it as she is
moving and getting rid of 20+ years of accumulated
'stuff' in her house.

I still don't' know what it IS, and am not trying to pass
one over on you all. Just honestly hoping someone knew what
it was. A separate post says it's a DiCampli Super Corsa,
which is what the sticker says, but the discussion continues
to say that euro manufacturers used to sell bikes to US
shops to be rebranded... (and thanks for that post, it does
help settle my mind) I guess what I'm trying to figure out
would be who made the bike, not who branded it, although
that seems much more difficult the more I hear.

Finally, unfortunately for me, I'm not 'playing' dumb. I
seriously don't know much about bikes and am trying to
find out as much as possible. Not just about this bike,
but in general.

Dave

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Mike Kruger said:

Apparently, we've been had by a guy plugging his Ebay
item. Isn't this it?

cgi.ebay.comeBayISAPI.dllOpen ↗
&item=3672375013&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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tinyurl.com2mhlrOpen ↗

Even the story matches:

Ah.

Quoted message said:

So my question to the original poster: Why play so dumb
when you already know what bike it is and have already
put it up for auction? And, now

that

Quoted message said:

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I'm curious, why did you withdraw it from auction?

That's clear. No one would meet his overly-high starting
bid. It ain't worth that much.

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David L. Johnson

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temples; no need for _`\(,_ | complicated philosophy.
Our own brain, our own heart is our (_)/ (_) | temple.
The philosophy is kindness. --The Dalai Lama

Curtis L. Russell said:

Rick Onanian said:

Is there anybody here who can identify what's special
about those tires?

As someone else mentioned, a couple of very flat
tubular tires.

Well, that's no big deal...although it would probably be a
good idea to seek a better bike shop, at least one that is
familiar with modern tubulars and could show him how to
mount them.

Quoted message said:

Evidently since that bike shop didn't carry them, the bike
shop people felt they no longer exist in the world anymore.

Silliness, I say.
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Rick Onanian

Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:53:27 GMT, <H%Qhc.2824$IW1.360814@attbi_s52>,
"Blah" <[email hidden]> concluded:

Quoted message said:

I guess what I'm trying to figure out would be who made the
bike, not who branded it, although that seems much more
difficult the more I hear.

Without contacting your mom's old boyfriend, the shape
and cut-outs of the lugs are the best clues to its
possible origins.

Quoted message said:

Finally, unfortunately for me, I'm not 'playing' dumb. I
seriously don't know much about bikes and am trying to
find out as much as possible. Not just about this bike,
but in general.

You can type sheldonbrown.com/ into your browser and find
out almost everything about bicycles, in general and detail.
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zk