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  1. Well, I managed to stay on low-cal again - for two-and-a-half-weeks.

    The first week was great. Lost 10 lbs. Felt energetic. After 4 or 5 days I
    lost hunger cravings. I went down from 119.5 kg to 115 kg in just one week.

    The second week my weight started creeping up again! I couldn't believe it!
    But I figured it was because I had lost so much the first week. I ended the
    week at 116 kg.

    Then I started getting cravings again. And I felt "carb laden" - that uneasy
    feeling I have when I've had too much sugar or other carbs.

    Yesterday I completely fell off the wagon and had some fried foods and
    chocolates. I felt, predictably, horrible afterwards. This morning I weighed
    118 kg.

    I feel my first priority, even before figuring out how to continue with
    weight loss, is getting my blood sugar (it must have zoomed up, though I
    haven't been able to measure it) and appetite under control.

    So...I went back on induction level Atkins this morning. <<<sigh>>>

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

  2. You are doing the right thing. Go back on Induction and keep going. You
    will do fine. Just don't cheat. You can do it.

    Curt

    "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, I managed to stay on low-cal again - for two-and-a-half-weeks.

    The first week was great. Lost 10 lbs. Felt energetic. After 4 or 5 days I
    lost hunger cravings. I went down from 119.5 kg to 115 kg in just one


    week.

    Quoted message said:


    The second week my weight started creeping up again! I couldn't believe


    it!

    Quoted message said:

    But I figured it was because I had lost so much the first week. I ended


    the

    Quoted message said:

    week at 116 kg.

    Then I started getting cravings again. And I felt "carb laden" - that


    uneasy

    Quoted message said:

    feeling I have when I've had too much sugar or other carbs.

    Yesterday I completely fell off the wagon and had some fried foods and
    chocolates. I felt, predictably, horrible afterwards. This morning I


    weighed

    Quoted message said:

    118 kg.

    I feel my first priority, even before figuring out how to continue with
    weight loss, is getting my blood sugar (it must have zoomed up, though I
    haven't been able to measure it) and appetite under control.

    So...I went back on induction level Atkins this morning. <<<sigh>>>

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

  3. Give up because you don't have what it takes to achieve success.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, I managed to stay on low-cal again - for two-and-a-half-weeks.

    The first week was great. Lost 10 lbs. Felt energetic. After 4 or 5 days I
    lost hunger cravings. I went down from 119.5 kg to 115 kg in just one
    week.

    The second week my weight started creeping up again! I couldn't believe
    it!
    But I figured it was because I had lost so much the first week. I ended
    the
    week at 116 kg.

    Then I started getting cravings again. And I felt "carb laden" - that
    uneasy
    feeling I have when I've had too much sugar or other carbs.

    Yesterday I completely fell off the wagon and had some fried foods and
    chocolates. I felt, predictably, horrible afterwards. This morning I
    weighed
    118 kg.

    I feel my first priority, even before figuring out how to continue with
    weight loss, is getting my blood sugar (it must have zoomed up, though I
    haven't been able to measure it) and appetite under control.

    So...I went back on induction level Atkins this morning. <<<sigh>>>

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

  4. Oh God, is this 'person' still on this group?

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Give up because you don't have what it takes to achieve success.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, I managed to stay on low-cal again - for two-and-a-half-weeks.

    The first week was great. Lost 10 lbs. Felt energetic. After 4 or 5 days
    I
    lost hunger cravings. I went down from 119.5 kg to 115 kg in just one
    week.

    The second week my weight started creeping up again! I couldn't believe
    it!
    But I figured it was because I had lost so much the first week. I ended
    the
    week at 116 kg.

    Then I started getting cravings again. And I felt "carb laden" - that
    uneasy
    feeling I have when I've had too much sugar or other carbs.

    Yesterday I completely fell off the wagon and had some fried foods and
    chocolates. I felt, predictably, horrible afterwards. This morning I
    weighed
    118 kg.

    I feel my first priority, even before figuring out how to continue with
    weight loss, is getting my blood sugar (it must have zoomed up, though I
    haven't been able to measure it) and appetite under control.

    So...I went back on induction level Atkins this morning. <<<sigh>>>

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

  5. "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

    I realize from your prior postings that you are battling with low-cal
    vs. low-carb. Here are a few reasons why I continue with low-carb, as well
    as some helpful things I did to keep myself on it, especially in the
    beginning.

    Reasons to continue
    My acid reflux is totally gone since low-carbing.
    My cholesterol is now in normal range.
    Blood pressure is 120/78, down from 136/86.
    I don't starve while I'm low-carbing.
    I've lost 30lbs and have maintained my weight within 3lbs either way for
    the past 6 months.
    I've lost my fear of eating fat for energy.
    My joints don't ache anymore.
    I feel more mobile.
    Although I never felt highly energetic, I never felt really low energy
    either. A welcome change from before.
    Having more endurance.
    Feelings of being able to control my diet rather than the other way
    around.
    Compliments from friends and family.

    Things that helped me
    Planning what I was going to eat the day before.
    Deciding what I could eat and sticking only to those foods.
    Keeping small baggies of nuts or beef jerky with me in case I was hungry
    when I went out.
    Not eating or drinking anything sweet tasting like diet coke or foods
    sweetened with sugar substitutes.
    Avoiding low-carb labeled foods.
    Switching pop for soda water or green tea.
    Eating mostly only meat and vegetables for lunch and supper.
    Not swaying from diet because of peer pressure, for whatever reasons
    they give.
    Reading lots of articles to learn why refined carbs are not good for me.
    Reading other people's low-carb success stories.
    When I felt hungry between meals, I would eat 1 ounce of cheese or a
    small handful of nuts.

    The hardest part of the diet in the beginning, was watching other people
    eat all kinds of good tasting foods, while realizing that I could not
    partake in the same foods. I could honestly say that I never felt like I was
    starving, but I did feel a sense of loss for the foods that I use to enjoy.
    But since I've been eating low-carb for a fairly long time and enjoying
    greater health because of it, I enjoy the way I'm eating more and more. Many
    of my co-workers have asked me why I continue eating this way since I don't
    need to lose anymore weight. Originally, I was only going to do low-carb
    until I got to my goal weight. But I wasn't expecting all the other health
    benefits. My ideas of proper nutrition has changed quite a bit since last
    year. The biggest change in thinking was finding out that protein and fat
    are necessary, but carbs are not. Before, I thought that fats were not
    needed because the body can make it's own cholesterol.
    I finally came to the conclusion that if I were living 100,000 years ago,
    the only things I could find to eat were meat and whatever edible plants I
    could find. Fruits would have been seasonal and a lot smaller and less
    sweet. High starch foods would have been a lot smaller in size and not as
    tasty as well. Grains are tough to eat unless crushed and or cooked and they
    must be gathered by hand first. The body would have had to work quite a bit
    harder to extract the carbs from all the surrounding fiber of the available
    plant foods. Sugar would only be available if I was willing to risk being
    stung by bees. My only beverage would probably have been water or tea. The
    refined starches and sugars of today's foods are simply too easy to digest
    and cheap to make. The nutritionists claim that 60% of our calories should
    come from these high carb foods. I think the best way to satisfy our
    appetites is to emulate as much as possible the diets that we evolved to
    eat, Not breads, french fries, and pastas.
    I can totally understand what you are going through about the low fat
    vs.low carb. Everyone is telling you to eat one way to be healthy, but you
    need to lose weight and are willing to risk eating a different way to do it.
    You fear that fat is bad for you and that carbs burn clean in your body and
    make you feel better and is healthier. It takes a while to adjust your body
    to eating low carb. When I first started, I felt strange because my energy
    was coming mainly from fats and it wasn't what I was use to. Eating higher
    carbs feels like your getting what you need, but you end up getting hungrier
    soon after because of the blood glucose swings. After low carbing for about
    a month, my body became well adjusted to the new way of eating. I still got
    hungry, but I never felt starved, and thus was able to control my calorie
    intake.
    I know that I probably won't convince you to totally change the way you
    eat. But I hope that my reflections can help you in finding a way of eating
    that works for you. It's tough to know what to do with all the conflicting
    reports and the way you actually feel as well. You'll have to experiment and
    do lots of reading and body monitoring no matter what plan you come up with.
    For me, this is the way I intend to eat the rest of my life, because it
    works and it feels healthy. Good luck to you Doug.

    Tom
    210/180/180

  6. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:SF64d.469930$M95.240527@pd7tw1no...

    Quoted message said:

    I know that I probably won't convince you to totally change the way you
    eat. But I hope that my reflections can help you in finding a way of
    eating
    that works for you. It's tough to know what to do with all the conflicting
    reports and the way you actually feel as well. You'll have to experiment
    and
    do lots of reading and body monitoring no matter what plan you come up
    with.
    For me, this is the way I intend to eat the rest of my life, because it
    works and it feels healthy. Good luck to you Doug.

    Tom
    210/180/180

    Tom, you sold >>me!<< Thanks for an excellent post ...... now I have to get
    back to the lo-carb way with a vengeance. Your reflection was quite
    helpful.

    --
    John V.
    LC - not quite Atkins, since 1/2/04
    262/249/175

  7. The only problem you cited was the chocolates. Chocolate can be fine if you
    make your own and use splenda. Cocoa powder is mostly fiber.

  8. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:SF64d.469930$M95.240527@pd7tw1no:

    Quoted message said:

    I finally came to the conclusion that if I were living 100,000 years
    ago,
    the only things I could find to eat were meat and whatever edible
    plants I could find. Fruits would have been seasonal and a lot smaller
    and less sweet. High starch foods would have been a lot smaller in
    size and not as tasty as well. Grains are tough to eat unless crushed
    and or cooked and they must be gathered by hand first. The body would
    have had to work quite a bit harder to extract the carbs from all the
    surrounding fiber of the available plant foods. Sugar would only be
    available if I was willing to risk being stung by bees. My only
    beverage would probably have been water or tea. The refined starches
    and sugars of today's foods are simply too easy to digest and cheap to
    make. The nutritionists claim that 60% of our calories should come
    from these high carb foods. I think the best way to satisfy our
    appetites is to emulate as much as possible the diets that we evolved
    to eat, Not breads, french fries, and pastas.

    This paragraph has renewed my strength to butch up and stop 'tasting'
    things that keep me from losing weight. I've saved it to look at
    periodically to remind myself why I'm doing this. Thanks!

    Cate
    who's maintained a 35-pound loss for 6 months but still has many more
    pounds to lose

  9. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<SF64d.469930$M95.240527@pd7tw1no>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

    I realize from your prior postings that you are battling with low-cal
    vs. low-carb. Here are a few reasons why I continue with low-carb, as well
    as some helpful things I did to keep myself on it, especially in the
    beginning.

    Reasons to continue
    My acid reflux is totally gone since low-carbing.
    My cholesterol is now in normal range.
    Blood pressure is 120/78, down from 136/86.
    I don't starve while I'm low-carbing.
    I've lost 30lbs and have maintained my weight within 3lbs either way for
    the past 6 months.
    I've lost my fear of eating fat for energy.
    My joints don't ache anymore.
    I feel more mobile.
    Although I never felt highly energetic, I never felt really low energy
    either. A welcome change from before.
    Having more endurance.
    Feelings of being able to control my diet rather than the other way
    around.
    Compliments from friends and family.

    Things that helped me
    Planning what I was going to eat the day before.
    Deciding what I could eat and sticking only to those foods.
    Keeping small baggies of nuts or beef jerky with me in case I was hungry
    when I went out.
    Not eating or drinking anything sweet tasting like diet coke or foods
    sweetened with sugar substitutes.
    Avoiding low-carb labeled foods.
    Switching pop for soda water or green tea.


    Good for you for conquering your acid reflux. Imho, soda once in a
    while is not unhealthy, but if it affects your reflux, then is good
    that you are taking inventory of your food and drink intake.

  10. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:

    I realize from your prior postings that you are battling with low-cal
    vs. low-carb. Here are a few reasons why I continue with low-carb, as well
    as some helpful things I did to keep myself on it, especially in the
    beginning.... (snipped to save bandwidth)

    Tom-
    Excellent post! 🙂
    Julie

  11. "kansasman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Good for you for conquering your acid reflux. Imho, soda once in a
    while is not unhealthy, but if it affects your reflux, then is good
    that you are taking inventory of your food and drink intake.

    I agree. It's not the best thing to drink. It's actually CO2 and water
    sold by Super Store under the name of Carbonated Spring Water. Soda water
    does taste saltier than this stuff. I haven't seen it in other stores, they
    usually just have the soda water. I also notice that I can now eat raw
    onions, celery and green pepper, which I wasn't able to do before. Perhaps
    the acid reflux was caused by many different foods. I'm assuming that
    eliminating grains had the greatest benefit, allowing me to eat the lesser
    irritating foods. Also not as much abdominal fat pulling on my stomach
    probably is as big a factor as the grains. I realize a few people on this
    board have not been so lucky. Their acid reflux could be the result of
    damage or disease, rather than irritation.
    Tom

  12. "Ignoramus13667" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I feel exactly the same way. I have not had candy, ice cream, any junk
    food in 1.4 years and do not even want to try them again, for this
    reason exactly.

    i

    I don't feel like I'm missing out on sweets anymore. If you want to
    experiment, just have a sip of diet or regular coke. You will be shocked at
    how sweet it is and wonder how you could have drank a whole can of it
    before.
    Tom

  13. Thanks Julie.
    Tom
    "Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:

    I realize from your prior postings that you are battling with


    low-cal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vs. low-carb. Here are a few reasons why I continue with low-carb, as


    well

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as some helpful things I did to keep myself on it, especially in the
    beginning.... (snipped to save bandwidth)

    Tom-
    Excellent post! 🙂
    Julie

  14. "John V" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Tom, you sold >>me!<< Thanks for an excellent post ...... now I have to


    get

    Quoted message said:

    back to the lo-carb way with a vengeance. Your reflection was quite
    helpful.

    --
    John V.
    LC - not quite Atkins, since 1/2/04
    262/249/175

    I'm happy about the number of good responses including yours. Most of my
    helpful tips were gotten from reading the long time members postings about
    what helped them. It's always nice to read about someone else's success and
    the problems they faced along the way.
    Tom

  15. "Cate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:SF64d.469930$M95.240527@pd7tw1no:

    This paragraph has renewed my strength to butch up and stop 'tasting'
    things that keep me from losing weight. I've saved it to look at
    periodically to remind myself why I'm doing this. Thanks!

    Cate
    who's maintained a 35-pound loss for 6 months but still has many more
    pounds to lose

    Your welcome. I'm glad you feel it was inspiring. I hope it helps Doug as
    well.
    Tom

  16. "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The only problem you cited was the chocolates. Chocolate can be fine if you
    make your own and use splenda. Cocoa powder is mostly fiber.

    Although store bought chocolate is not bad every once in a while.
    Sometimes it is better to just enjoy a small amount of the real thing
    and curb the cravings. I find by having a reasonable amount of what I
    am craving, I often eliminate the urge. You can enjoy yourself every
    now and then, LOL...

  17. Tom said:

    "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

    Quoted message said:

    I realize from your prior postings that you are battling with low-cal
    vs. low-carb. Here are a few reasons why I continue with low-carb, as well
    as some helpful things I did to keep myself on it, especially in the
    beginning.

    Great post, Tom!

    I would add a couple of 'attitude adjustment' helpers that helped my wife
    and me.

    1) instead of letting ourselves slide into cheating and then beating
    ourselves up afterwards, we realized we needed to take full responsibility
    and make it a conscious decision to 'postpone weight loss' instead. By
    looking at it as a postponement, we also implicitly acknowledged that the
    diet would go on afterwards.

    We would ask ourselves "is this worth postponing weight loss for?" The
    bar was set pretty high this way and it eliminated most of the trivial
    slips, including those rebellious moments when you're thinking "$&%^ this
    diet, I want chocolate" or "I deserve a treat".

    It made us focus on life events where food was symbolic (wedding cake at a
    son's wedding) or overwhelmingly special and yummy (an aunt's speciality
    at Thanksgiving) and really WAS worth postponing weight loss for.

    2) If we did decide something was worth postponing weight loss for, we
    would savor the 'best bites', those first 4-5 bites when good food tastes
    the absolute best. Those were usually all the bites we'd have. This
    approach kept our splurges relatively modest and rarely triggered cravings
    or caused problems getting back on track.

    Best of luck.

    Dan
    325/199/180
    Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
    Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:
    Tom said:

    "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But I'm very frustrated and really just don't know what do to anymore...

    doug

    Quoted message said:

    I realize from your prior postings that you are battling with low-cal
    vs. low-carb. Here are a few reasons why I continue with low-carb, as well
    as some helpful things I did to keep myself on it, especially in the
    beginning.

    Great post, Tom!

    I would add a couple of 'attitude adjustment' helpers that helped my wife
    and me.

    1) instead of letting ourselves slide into cheating and then beating
    ourselves up afterwards, we realized we needed to take full responsibility
    and make it a conscious decision to 'postpone weight loss' instead. By
    looking at it as a postponement, we also implicitly acknowledged that the
    diet would go on afterwards.

    We would ask ourselves "is this worth postponing weight loss for?" The
    bar was set pretty high this way and it eliminated most of the trivial
    slips, including those rebellious moments when you're thinking "$&%^ this
    diet, I want chocolate" or "I deserve a treat".

    It made us focus on life events where food was symbolic (wedding cake at a
    son's wedding) or overwhelmingly special and yummy (an aunt's speciality
    at Thanksgiving) and really WAS worth postponing weight loss for.

    2) If we did decide something was worth postponing weight loss for, we
    would savor the 'best bites', those first 4-5 bites when good food tastes
    the absolute best. Those were usually all the bites we'd have. This
    approach kept our splurges relatively modest and rarely triggered cravings
    or caused problems getting back on track.

    VERY good tips! Deciding if something is worth it is usually somewhere in my
    reasoning, too. I haven't really run into such a massive temptation yet, but
    just in my regular thinking that is on my mind -- I CHOOSE the food that's going
    to give me the best bang for me buck based on taste and nutrition, but NUTRITION
    has somehow become the more important aspect. I take that back about temptation,
    though -- my son lives with me and one day he cooked up a batch of Pillsbury
    rolls -- they smelled HEAVENLY! I had to go to my room and shut the door to try
    to cut down on the overwhelming olfactory-induced impulses :-) It smells really
    good whenever he toasts bread, too (which is often), but the rolls were downright
    DANGEROUS :-) Only the thought of how I might feel if I DID eat them (digestive
    upset, feeling sick) stopped me from slipping.

    --
    Saffire
    205/148/125 - 5'1.5"
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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