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  1. One more of us, one less of them... and one more of us with sore knees.

    So, I've converted another b*ke into a Giraffe 29'er (greared to nearly
    1:1) and I can't figure out how to land when I UPD. It seems I land one
    foot first with my knee locked straight then break into a bit of a run.
    After a few dismounts I'm hurting.

    How do you normally run out of a UPD off a Giraffe or a Big wheel? I'd
    rather not learn how to combat role every time I UPD. 🙁

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  2. locked joints, there is your problem.

    landing from high places involve no locking of joints, or you do
    damage.

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  3. Learning to roll out safely is extremely helpful. Also wearing pads,
    just in case. A helmet is a MUST, and 661 shin guards are good for you
    too.
    But yes, learn to roll out.

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  4. Come to a complete stop. Pop the seat out in front of you, then jump
    down behind the unicycle. You'll land standing behind it, with it still
    upright in front of you. The crowd will burst into applause!

    You can dismount to the rear. First kill your speed, then either let
    yourself fall back (holding the wheel still), or let the wheel roll out
    to drop straight down.

    Going off the front tends to put more pressure on the joints, I think.
    You should only use that method if you're falling off. Be sure you know
    how to drop and roll as mentioned above. At 29" speeds it's going to
    happen sometimes, and you'll really benefit from knowing how to protect
    yourself if you're going at or above running speed when you lose it.

    And especially, no locked joints!

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  5. UNIquelyCanadian said:

    One more of us, one less of them... and one more of us with sore knees.

    So, I've converted another b*ke into a Giraffe 29'er (greared to nearly
    1:1) and I can't figure out how to land when I UPD. It seems I land one
    foot first with my knee locked straight then break into a bit of a run.
    After a few dismounts I'm hurting.

    How do you normally run out of a UPD off a Giraffe or a Big wheel? I'd
    rather not learn how to combat role every time I UPD. 🙁

    The two most important things when dismounting a giraffe:

    1. Get clear of the unicycle
    2. Land on your feet.

    This is simple if it is a controlled dismount. Just stop and let it go
    out in front or back of you. You said UPD though so I assume you mean
    going forward with speed and the wheel getting stopped or deccelerated
    enough to pitch you off forwards.

    In those situations you have to gauge whether or not you can run it out
    and whether or not you can land with both feet. If you are going slowly
    enough to land on both feet, doing so is your best option. Land on both
    feet and smoothly bend your knees with the fall to absorb the impact.
    This really saves your knees. If you are going too fast to land on both
    feet (meaning doing so will cause you to topple forward because of your
    horizontal momentum) try to land in a run with one foot rapidly after
    the other. Then keep running in a normal stride until your momentum is
    gone. If you can't run it out land on your feet and try to run off as
    much of the momentum as possible before you roll.

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  6. How do you convert a bike into a giraffe?
    That sounds cool. Id like to make one myself.

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  7. Yeah can we see a picture? I'd like to see the 29" wheel.

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  8. The frame design is similar to this project:
    http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43095

    Except with a 24" B*ke frame and a 700c street tire.

    I hope to do another one once I find another b*ke. It should be
    possible to make entirely out of one bike with no extra parts needed.
    For tools it would only be a adjustable wrench, pliers, chain tool and
    a drill.

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  9. If these are really UPD's than most of that dismounting info isn't going
    to help you, correct? If you are having uncontrolled and unexpected
    falls than you need to learn how to roll. Find a car or a deck of jump
    off it a bunch of times, then move up to something higher (I'd
    recommend into grass). When you land tuck and roll until it stops
    hurting. You need to learn how to fall correctly, or make sure that you
    never UPD on the giraffe.

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  10. By roll do you mean a "combat roll" eg. landing on you shoulder and then
    roll?

    Does anyone have a video of how do do a good roll that won't break
    anything?

    Diving headfirst onto pavement looks rather painful if you don't get it
    right. 🙂

    Running out off a giraffe is tough for me because of the drop before
    the run. Does it just take practice?

    Controled dismounting is working better for me now, it's just
    dismounting when I'm at speed and the wheel stops for some reason.

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  11. UNIquelyCanadian said:

    By roll do you mean a "combat roll" eg. landing on you shoulder and then
    roll?

    No no, not like that at all. Do you play any other sports? That's
    where most people learn how to fall.

    The general idea is you land on your feet and then collapse your legs
    while moving forward into a roll. You let your legs and arms/shoulders
    take most of the downward force as you transfer that into forward
    force. You simply change all your downward momentum into forward
    momentum.

    Although, if it's not a very high giraffe you should be able to get by
    with just bending your knees upon landing until they almost touch the
    ground (squatting). Rolling may not be neccisary. Just remember to
    stay loose no matter what you do.

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  12. This might help you:

    http://tinyurl.com/s6arf

    The first post seems like a good tutorial. I ideally proper falling
    should be iinherent and natural - something you learn as a kid. It's
    hard to explain it.

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  13. I still wanna see a picture of that 29" wheel.

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  14. Thanks for the link to pk roll. If I can't save myself by running out I
    automatically roll, I just can't make myself do it on purpose. Maybe if
    I work on it on grass I'll work up to the roll onto pavement.

    As requested: A photo of the 700c wheel on a 24" frame.

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  15. That thing looks pretty dangerous for UPDs!! :eek:

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  16. phlegm said:

    That thing looks pretty dangerous for UPDs!! :eek:

    I was going to leave the handle bars and seat on but after thinking
    about it I changed my mind.

    It's not so bad but I can't figure out how to free mount since there's
    no way to step onto the back of the tire to climb up.

    Eventually I may cut some of the frame (I still need the back triangle
    for strength) But for now it's kind of a novelty and doesn't mess much
    up, as long as I don't land on it (eek!)

    Any ideas for the mount? Mount the front then unispin? :o

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  17. Thanks for the pic. Looks like a bigger attention-getter than a standard
    giraffe.

    Can you rotate the seat 180 degrees and have the "back" become the
    "front"? Probably not, due to the angle of the seatpost.

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  18. Whoa, does that have a freewheel on it still?

    And, be careful with those rear dropouts. The more you pedal the
    looser the chain will get until it slips. Make sure you keep those
    bolts tight since you'll be fighting against them.

    Sweet design!

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  19. Forgot about the left/right threading on the pedals making it
    non-reversable. But disregarding that, would it be practical to turn it
    around?

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  20. It would be possible to switch front and back, you would have to change
    the cranks around and mount the tire backwards, that way the chain
    would be on the other side and the pedals wouldn't unscrew. However
    that would put bad presure on the locked out hub.

    The freewheel is locked out by wiring the rear cog to the spokes using
    coat hanger and spoke wire. So far I have only ridden it a few miles
    but it seems to be holding ok. The wiring doesn't get a whole lot of
    constant force since to pedal forward the original mechanism takes the
    load.

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