Help for a softy

Colin McKenzie said:

So I would say the hat needs to have a peak or a brim. In less
extreme conditions, it keeps the rain off your glasses - today once I
could see out of my eyes I got the best view over my glasses rather
than through them.

This is why I wear a Tilley (though any broad-brimmed hat would do): sun
out of my eyes, rain out of my glasses, and I don't have to stop and
switch between one and the other (this being England after all).

R

Colin McKenzie wrote on 02/07/2007 23:07 +0100:

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Tony Raven said:

The thing I learnt many years ago when I was a postie in my university
holidays was not to try to keep dry. Accept you are going to get wet,
wear clothing that is warm, quick drying and doesn't get waterlogged,
keep you possessions e.g. phone, wallet, money in a waterproof bag.
Put a hat on your head too as for some reason cold rain direct on the
head makes you feel miserable.

I agree as far as this goes. But I was out in the deluge today, and I
had to stop because so much rain got in my eyes I couldn't keep them
open. So I would say the hat needs to have a peak or a brim. In less
extreme conditions, it keeps the rain off your glasses - today once I
could see out of my eyes I got the best view over my glasses rather than
through them.

Yup, glasses in the rain are a pain.

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Mark pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid said:

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Unless of course you wear a cycle cape. Problem solved!

They always look so ungainly; don't they flap around terribly at
anything approaching half-decent speeds?

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They pretty much stop you cycling at half decent speeds. For trundlies
only.

Ah yes, I should have mentioned that I'm a life long trundly. I
suspect that most cyclists on the streets are. However, the absence of
such organisations as the Cyclists Trundly Club means that our views
are very poorly represented, so poorly indeed that it's very hard
these days even to buy a trundling bike (in the UK). I know a number
of trundlies who've had to go to the expense and inconvenience of
importing their trundling bike from abroad.

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David Damerell wrote on 02/07/2007 17:03 +0100:

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Mark <pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid>:

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They pretty much stop you cycling at half decent speeds. For trundlies
only.

Weird. I wonder how I managed to commute at my usual cruising speed of
about 20mph wearing one?

Tailwind?

I would love to have spent several years riding 22 miles a day with a
magic reversing tailwind (as opposed to the usual reversing headwind) on
every wet day, but it seems a bit unlikely.
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Mark <pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid>:

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They pretty much stop you cycling at half decent speeds. For
trundlies only.

Weird. I wonder how I managed to commute at my usual cruising speed of
about 20mph wearing one?

Heh, do a 10 mile time trial with it on and tell us what yer average is 😉

You're confusing "capes slow you down" (which is true) with "capes slow
you down an awful lot" (which is not).
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You're confusing "capes slow you down" (which is true) with "capes slow
you down an awful lot" (which is not).

You're right. Effectively robbing yourself of a significant amount of
power will result in only a small drop in speed (assuming we're not in the
trundly speed range), as the relationship between power and speed isn't
linear. I realised soon after posting, but hoped no one would notice 😉

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Mark
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>They pretty much stop you cycling at half decent speeds. For
>trundlies only.
Weird. I wonder how I managed to commute at my usual cruising speed of
about 20mph wearing one?

Heh, do a 10 mile time trial with it on and tell us what yer average is
😉

You're confusing "capes slow you down" (which is true) with "capes slow
you down an awful lot" (which is not).

I used capes for years, and they do have lots of benefits; but they
slow /me/ down an awful lot. Mind you, so do hills - my peak power output
is not great. For trundling, they're fine (and you stay pretty dry, and
don't get sweaty, and can still reach your pockets).

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David Damerell said:

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David Damerell wrote on 02/07/2007 17:03 +0100:

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Mark <pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid>:
>They pretty much stop you cycling at half decent speeds. For trundlies
>only.
Weird. I wonder how I managed to commute at my usual cruising speed of
about 20mph wearing one?

Tailwind?

I would love to have spent several years riding 22 miles a day with a
magic reversing tailwind (as opposed to the usual reversing headwind) on
every wet day, but it seems a bit unlikely.

Million to one chances happen to one person in every million.
Congratulations!

Cheers,
Luke

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exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

Tony Raven said:

Ekul Namsob wrote on 01/07/2007 17:39 +0100:

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I've plenty of waterproof walking gear and spent Boxing Day climbing
Pen-y-Ghent in the snow, so I'm not really a softy but I haven't gone
out on my bike now for weeks because of this horrible weather.

Can anyone recommend to me some appropriate clothes for fitness cycling
in these conditions?

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The thing I learnt many years ago when I was a postie in my university
holidays was not to try to keep dry. Accept you are going to get wet,
wear clothing that is warm, quick drying and doesn't get waterlogged,
keep you possessions e.g. phone, wallet, money in a waterproof bag. Put
a hat on your head too as for some reason cold rain direct on the head
makes you feel miserable. Then get out and enjoy yourself. Once you
are comfortable that you are going to get wet you can have fun splashing
though the puddles and charging the shower of water that the wind has
just blown off a tree.

You can try to cover yourself in waterproofs but two things happen -
they always leak somewhere eventually such as round the neck and then
you focus on the fact you are getting wet and don't want to. And your
sweat condenses on the inside and makes you wet anyway.

Thanks, to you and others. It's taken me a while to answer as we've been
organising my daughter's fourth birthday party this week. (It was going
to be in our back garden but, as some of the guests cannot swim, we've
had to find a new venue.)

I shall keep a look out for a decent cap and stop being such a wimp.

Cheers,
Luke

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exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

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Mark <pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid>:

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You're confusing "capes slow you down" (which is true) with "capes slow
you down an awful lot" (which is not).

You're right. Effectively robbing yourself of a significant amount of
power will result in only a small drop in speed (assuming we're not in the
trundly speed range), as the relationship between power and speed isn't
linear.

The other thing to consider is that, while the cross-sectional area of a
cape looks pretty huge, most of what's behind it is you, not empty space.
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