HELP - Atkins & Hair Loss

(Sobe203) said:

Hey everyone
A month ago, I told you guys how scared I was about starting to lose
my hair on
Atkins, and that I was going off of it, and onto low-calorie. I
started
low-calorie - and my hair replenished, but I didn't lose any weight
- just
maintained. I got back to college, and my friend Beth, who I hadn't
seen in 4
months, came up to me GUSHING about how great I looked & how much
weight I
lost. Two other friends said the same thing in the next days later.
:]

I figured I couldn't just give up on Atkins, on my goal... so I went
back on.
I'm taking a One-A-Day Carb Smart multivitamin, and am on Induction
(for best
results). I get no Essential Fatty Acids b/c I don't eat fish &
aren't taking

For the last time:
WEIGHT LOSS CAN CAUSE HAIR LOSS - REGARDLESS OF METHOD.
You were told this last time and just ignored it. I figure you might
have a sight impairment so I used all caps.

If your hair is so important to you DON'T LOSE WEIGHT.

Carmen

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I've noticed my hair is getting thinner again - from the thickness
it used to
be. I want to stop this, if not reverse it, and don't know how.

"Sobe203" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey everyone
A month ago, I told you guys how scared I was about starting to lose my

hair on

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Atkins, and that I was going off of it, and onto low-calorie. I started
low-calorie - and my hair replenished, but I didn't lose any weight - just
maintained. I got back to college, and my friend Beth, who I hadn't seen

in 4

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months, came up to me GUSHING about how great I looked & how much weight I
lost. Two other friends said the same thing in the next days later. :]

I figured I couldn't just give up on Atkins, on my goal... so I went back

on.

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I'm taking a One-A-Day Carb Smart multivitamin, and am on Induction (for

best

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results). I get no Essential Fatty Acids b/c I don't eat fish & aren't

taking

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Omega-3.

I've noticed my hair is getting thinner again - from the thickness it used

to

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be. I want to stop this, if not reverse it, and don't know how.

Somebody recommended taking a 1000 mg (or was it mcg?) pill of Biotin

every

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day, in addition to my multivitamin, which already contains 450 mcg of

Biotin.

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Would this be too much Biotin in addition to my multivitamin? Does anyone

know

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a successful and healthy (not ODing with too many supplements) cure for

this

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hair loss?

I want to lose weight, but not the hair.

Please help me!!!
Jen

I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and counting
them all, how can you really know?
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I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and counting
them all, how can you really know?

There's hair all over the place. It comes out in thick clumps in the shower.
When I blowdry my hair, it gets all over the sink. It's disgusting. It shows
up well on my navy carpet, too.

lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the thing is, when
I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being depleted of
nutrients on Atkins that does it.

I guess I'll try Biotin, and if that doesn't work, specialized Hair Nutrients.
I'd like to hear everyone else's 2¢, tho

J

Have you gone to a doctor about this problem? It could be something
completely unrelated to diet.

In news:[email hidden],
Cinnamn112 <[email hidden]> stated
|| I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and
|| counting them all, how can you really know?
|
| There's hair all over the place. It comes out in thick clumps in the
| shower. When I blowdry my hair, it gets all over the sink. It's
| disgusting. It shows up well on my navy carpet, too.
|
| lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the
| thing is, when I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's
| being depleted of nutrients on Atkins that does it.
|
| I guess I'll try Biotin, and if that doesn't work, specialized Hair
| Nutrients. I'd like to hear everyone else's 2¢, tho
|
| J

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I know you've told me time and time again, but the thing is, when
I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being depleted of
nutrients on Atkins that does it.

If you are suffering from a lack of nutrients, you most likely are not
following the Atkins plan. Maybe an Atkins 'like' plan, but there is no
shortage of nutrients in Dr. Atkins plan as written.
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A month ago, I told you guys how scared I was about starting to lose my

hair on

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Atkins, and that I was going off of it, and onto low-calorie. > I want to

lose weight, but not the hair.

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Please help me!!!
Jen

This is a direct quote from your post: '

"I get no Essential Fatty Acids b/c I don't eat fish & aren't taking
Omega-3."

You are not on the Atkins plan, which includes fish and healthy fatty acids.
Your post is typical of those who do their own made-up version of low-carb,
then
blame Atkins (or Eades or Heller ...) when it doesn't work right. You
ignore the advice of experienced posters such as Carmen who provide factual
information.

Those of us who truly follow the Atkins plan find that our hair is shinier,
thicker and healthier in the log run; I know mine is. How can you blame hair
loss on switching from Big Macs, ice cream, cake, cookies and spaghetti to
eating plenty of vegetables, meat, poultry, fish, nuts and berries along
with essential nutrient supplements? It's not the plan that is afoul, it's
your not following the plan appropriately that is the problem.

Peter

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I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and counting
them all, how can you really know?

There's hair all over the place. It comes out in thick clumps in the shower.
When I blowdry my hair, it gets all over the sink. It's disgusting. It shows
up well on my navy carpet, too.

lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the thing is, when
I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being depleted of
nutrients on Atkins that does it.

I guess I'll try Biotin, and if that doesn't work, specialized Hair Nutrients.
I'd like to hear everyone else's 2¢, tho

J

You didn't listen to carmen then...you yourself said when you did low
cal you did NOT lose weight. So therefore you would not lose hair.
It's the weight loss. I lose hair too while losing weight..doesn't
matter whether I'm doing low calorie, low carb or low fat...the hair
falls out. Comes back just fine when I stop losing weight.

(Sobe203) said:

Hey everyone
A month ago, I told you guys how scared I was about starting to lose my hair on
Atkins, and that I was going off of it, and onto low-calorie. I started
low-calorie - and my hair replenished, but I didn't lose any weight - just
maintained. I got back to college, and my friend Beth, who I hadn't seen in 4
months, came up to me GUSHING about how great I looked & how much weight I
lost. Two other friends said the same thing in the next days later. :]

I figured I couldn't just give up on Atkins, on my goal... so I went
back on. I'm taking a One-A-Day Carb Smart multivitamin, and am on
Induction (for best
results). I get no Essential Fatty Acids b/c I don't eat fish & aren't taking
Omega-3.

I've noticed my hair is getting thinner again - from the thickness it used to
be. I want to stop this, if not reverse it, and don't know how.

The same thing happened to me when I first started low carbing, but it
was because I wasn't doing it right. I was still trying to eat low fat
at the same time as low carb and it had some bad effects. When I
deliberately included a lot of healthy (olive) oil and fish (omega3)
into my diet, my hair got better than ever before. I also drink wine
with meals, but had stopped doing that when I first started.
Reintroducing the wine (red) may also have had some beneficial effect,
I did that at the same time that I added fats to the diet. My skin
improved as well.

I don't do extreme low carb, I eat sufficient carbs from nutritious
sources to keep my energy levels high enough for my daily gym workouts,
but absolutely no unnecessary carbs. I try to cut trans and saturated
fats, but don't do low fat in any other respect. I had more energy when
I first started, while I still had a lot of weight to lose, but had to
increase carbs as my weight dropped to keep my energy levels high. My
hair and skin are in better shape now than they were when I was
overweight. Except for some loose skin where I have lost the most
weight, but that is slowly lessening with good diet and daily exercise.

The only other thing that I do, that many seem to be wary of, is eat a
lot of yogurt throughout the day. Sugar free flavored yogurt. I don't
know if it is a good or a bad thing, there are some very contradictory
claims made about yogurt, but I do not intend to drop it, it is
satisfying and rightly or wrongly, I have been raised to believe that
it is good for the skin and hair as well digestion.

See http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html for some of the controversy.

Verity

Your hair will not "replenish" or "thicken up" in one month. Hair just
doesn't grow that quickly.

Hair loss happens with sudden weightloss, regardless of the method.

Tara

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I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and counting
them all, how can you really know?

There's hair all over the place. It comes out in thick clumps in the
shower.
When I blowdry my hair, it gets all over the sink. It's disgusting. It
shows
up well on my navy carpet, too.

lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the thing is,
when
I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being depleted of
nutrients on Atkins that does it.

I guess I'll try Biotin, and if that doesn't work, specialized Hair
Nutrients.
I'd like to hear everyone else's 2¢, tho

J

Good morning,

(Cinnamn112) said:

lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the
thing is, when
I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being depleted
of
nutrients on Atkins that does it.

Jen, when you went on "low cal" you lost no weight. Therefore you
weren't on low calories but maintenance calories. No weight loss and
the hair loss abated.
BTW, hair only grows at a rate of ~1 cm per month, so your perception
of your hair "thickening up" in a month was flawed. The subconscious
mind will play all sorts of tricks to get what it wants (sugar and
starchy foods in this case). Yours looks like it's successfully
focused on your hair. <G>

Good luck,
Carmen

Good morning,

(Mimsy) said:

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lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the
thing is, when
I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being
depleted of
nutrients on Atkins that does it.

I guess I'll try Biotin, and if that doesn't work, specialized
Hair Nutrients.
I'd like to hear everyone else's 2¢, tho

J

You didn't listen to carmen then...you yourself said when you did
low cal you did NOT lose weight. So therefore you would not lose
hair.

It's the weight loss. I lose hair too while losing weight..doesn't
matter whether I'm doing low calorie, low carb or low fat...the hair
falls out. Comes back just fine when I stop losing weight.

Oh crud! I really ought to read a whole thread before replying. You
already said most of what I did. Thank you. :-)

Take care,
Carmen

Cinnamn112 said:

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I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and
counting them all, how can you really know?

There's hair all over the place. It comes out in thick clumps in the
shower. When I blowdry my hair, it gets all over the sink. It's
disgusting. It shows up well on my navy carpet, too.

lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the
thing is, when I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's
being depleted of nutrients on Atkins that does it.

But you said you didn't lose any weight on low-cal. So you can't know for
sure that it's "being depleted of nutrients" rather than weight loss that
does it.

Tell me: what nutrients were you getting on low-cal that you aren't getting
on Atkins? I'm not an Atkins dieter and I don't really have any reason to
defend it, but you've made a bunch of assumptions here that you ought to
think about. One is that there is some magic hair-preserving nutrient that
is present in your low cal diet but absent in your Atkins diet. The second
is that it is Atkins, rather than weight loss, that is causing your hair
loss. I suspect neither of these assumptions is the whole story, so I think
you should explore them a bit more carefully.

Or, if you don't like the way your body responds to what you are calling
Atkins, then do something else.

--
carla
http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

Cinnamn112 said:

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I think it's all in your mind. Aside from seeing bald spots, and counting
them all, how can you really know?

There's hair all over the place. It comes out in thick clumps in the shower.
When I blowdry my hair, it gets all over the sink. It's disgusting. It shows
up well on my navy carpet, too.

lol, Carmen - I know you've told me time and time again, but the thing
is, when I went on low-cal, my hair thickened up again. It's being

And you didn't lose weight. Right? Proves Carmen's point.

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depleted of nutrients on Atkins that does it.

If you're depleted of nutrients while on Atkins, you are doing it wrong.

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I guess I'll try Biotin, and if that doesn't work, specialized Hair
Nutrients. I'd like to hear everyone else's 2¢, tho

Weight loss can cause temporary hair loss. Decide which is important to
you.

Martha

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lthy (not ODing with too many supplements) cure for this

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hair loss?

I want to lose weight, but not the hair.

Please help me!!!
Jen

Jen I posted this in another post but here's my experience with hair
loss

There's been some more health issues with me. About 6 months ago I
started noticing that I was having trouble breathing. I talked to my
doctor about it and she agreed that I was having symptoms consistent
with asthma. She offered to put me on an inhaler but I'm allergic to
epinephrine so she put me on Singulair instead. it took about 10 days
to get enough into my body that I was finally having a much easier
time breathing, in the mean time I read up on it and adults do get the
onset of asthma, mostly women because it's hormone related. well then
my urine changed color and I kept thinking that it would go away. It
didn't. Then my hair started falling out. Not drastic but enough that
I cut my hair, it just hits my shoulders now. Then I called my doctor
and asked her if these symptoms were a problem, she told me to stop
the singulair right away. well my urine never changed back after a
month so I had her run some tests, the blood work came back with a
dangerously high level of iron in my blood, so she ran a ferretine
test. In the mean time I started reading about iron overload. Which is
dangerous. The most interesting thing I found out was what causes iron
deficiency, and how they treat it. When someone is anemic they are
instructed to take massive doses of vitamin C because vitamin C causes
you to absorb iron at a very high rate. Oh [censored]! I take a one-a-day
and supplement it with extra vitamin C. It turns out that I was
causing my body to overload iron. Guess what two of the symptoms of
iron overload is.... hair loss and asthma.

my internist told me that this low carb diet has all the vitamin C I
need because there is vitamin C in most foods and the more this diet
allows of red meat and so forth, the more vitamin C I'm getting from
sources most people don't know exist. i.e. steak, chicken, nuts,
spinach etc. so supplementing vitamin C in the presence of high iron
intake was dangerous. She told me to follow my diet without any
supplements and she'll draw my blood once a month for the next few
months and she believes all will be well.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that low carb is a balanced
diet. By the way... my cholesterol, triglycerides and blood glucose
levels are still outstanding. and my iron levels have returned to
normal. I'm still having trouble breathing, but I am starting to have
hormone changes, and I think the hair loss has slowed to normal.

We have a BARF distributor here but we buy the raw food from the
regular store, it's gross sometimes but it's not so hard to do it.
Molly's breath is wonderful and her teeth have never looked this
white. Maggie has stopped scratching and her teeth are very white now.
They eat twice a day and get a pork neck bone, or pig foot every other
day. It took 9 weeks to change them over to raw food, as an abrupt
change causes nausea.

Patti said:

lthy (not ODing with too many supplements) cure for this

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hair loss?

I want to lose weight, but not the hair.

Please help me!!!
Jen

Jen I posted this in another post but here's my experience with hair
loss

There's been some more health issues with me. About 6 months ago I
started noticing that I was having trouble breathing. I talked to my
doctor about it and she agreed that I was having symptoms consistent
with asthma. She offered to put me on an inhaler but I'm allergic to
epinephrine so she put me on Singulair instead. it took about 10 days
to get enough into my body that I was finally having a much easier
time breathing, in the mean time I read up on it and adults do get the
onset of asthma, mostly women because it's hormone related. well then
my urine changed color and I kept thinking that it would go away. It
didn't. Then my hair started falling out. Not drastic but enough that
I cut my hair, it just hits my shoulders now. Then I called my doctor
and asked her if these symptoms were a problem, she told me to stop
the singulair right away. well my urine never changed back after a
month so I had her run some tests, the blood work came back with a
dangerously high level of iron in my blood, so she ran a ferretine
test. In the mean time I started reading about iron overload. Which is
dangerous. The most interesting thing I found out was what causes iron
deficiency, and how they treat it. When someone is anemic they are
instructed to take massive doses of vitamin C because vitamin C causes
you to absorb iron at a very high rate. Oh [censored]! I take a one-a-day
and supplement it with extra vitamin C. It turns out that I was
causing my body to overload iron. Guess what two of the symptoms of
iron overload is.... hair loss and asthma.

my internist told me that this low carb diet has all the vitamin C I
need because there is vitamin C in most foods and the more this diet
allows of red meat and so forth, the more vitamin C I'm getting from
sources most people don't know exist. i.e. steak, chicken, nuts,
spinach etc. so supplementing vitamin C in the presence of high iron
intake was dangerous. She told me to follow my diet without any
supplements and she'll draw my blood once a month for the next few
months and she believes all will be well.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that low carb is a balanced
diet. By the way... my cholesterol, triglycerides and blood glucose
levels are still outstanding. and my iron levels have returned to
normal. I'm still having trouble breathing, but I am starting to have
hormone changes, and I think the hair loss has slowed to normal.

We have a BARF distributor here but we buy the raw food from the
regular store, it's gross sometimes but it's not so hard to do it.
Molly's breath is wonderful and her teeth have never looked this
white. Maggie has stopped scratching and her teeth are very white now.
They eat twice a day and get a pork neck bone, or pig foot every other
day. It took 9 weeks to change them over to raw food, as an abrupt
change causes nausea.

Thanks for the information Patti, very helpful. I too have lost lots of
hair, but unfortunately for other reasons.
I always did wonder if maybe I should be supplementing with more Vitamin C.
My question to you though is, what the heck is a BARF distributor??
Thanks,
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My question to you though is, what the heck is a BARF distributor??
Thanks,
Monica

Hehehe
Biologically Accurate Raw Food
For the dogs not the humans
🙂

Patti

Patti said:

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My question to you though is, what the heck is a BARF distributor??
Thanks,
Monica

Hehehe
Biologically Accurate Raw Food
For the dogs not the humans
🙂

Patti

Or Bones and Raw Food. My dog has been on a BARF diet for years. His
teeth have never had a speck of tarter, his coat is so shiny you need
sunglasses to look at him, and he hasn't had an allergic reaction to
anything since we took him off commercial dog food.

Lybbe
Highest Weight - 308
Started Bernstein Diet October 2, 2004 - 243.0
Today's weight - 219.0
Goal - 150

WEIRD!!!

My hair is falling out by the HANDFUL. I am taking supplements, though, so
maybe I'll stop taking them.

(JackThunder) said:

WEIRD!!!

My hair is falling out by the HANDFUL. I am taking supplements, though, so
maybe I'll stop taking them.

sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. All I know is that my doctor
verified that if you want to raise your iron levels in your blood take
vitamin C

if you're taking vitamin C in the presence of high iron-rich foods it
will cause iron overload. If you look at this web link

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

and type in various foods you'll see how much iron you get from
certain foods, but then look at the amount of vitamin C you'll get
right along with it. Broccoli has a very good amount of iron and a
HUGE amount of vitamin C. so if you eat broccoli and steak, then take
a dose of good old vitamin C supplements later you'll absorb all of
that iron that your body would've discarded as extra.

because the FDA's food pyramid is up-side-down it urges you to take
supplements to compensate for the fact that you cannot eat that much
food and stay healthy. If you turn the pyramid on it's head and eat
most of what is now at the top, you don't need to consume as much food
and you'll get a hell of a lot more of a balanced nutrition.

My doctor chewed me out for taking supplements without consulting her
first.

good luck. The blood test (ferretin) is a simple test. if you have
that option. Get that test done with your cholesterol.

Patti

P S it's been 5 weeks since I stopped the supplements my hair loss has
slowed to normal. I can't tell if any of it is growing back. that will
take time.