Helmet Issue Revisited

Quoted message said:

Although I don't disagree with the rule, I can see where it opens a whole can of worms. What is
the "event site?" How is that defined? How far can it reasonably extend?

It seems an RD will need to post some kind of map showing what the area is or expect some
protests.

Other thoughts?

Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

I suspect that the "event site" is up to the discretion of the RD for each race. In the race I
finished a few weeks ago, it was considered everything from the parking lot to the transition area.
The moment you brought your bike into the parking area (out of your car), you were expected to have
your helmet on when you moved it. This was made very explicit on several occasions by the race
staff, both at sign in as well as in the packet material. This is not my favorite rule, and yes, it
would seem that a number of innocent people will be DQ'ed. However, it does seem to have gotten the
participants to think more about safety. No more unhelmeted riding in the parking area in this case.
I guess if it can keep some accidents from happening, then I can tolerate the rule.

BOTTOM LINE - if you are ever confused about what's expected, then simply make sure that you have
your helmet on EVERY TIME you move your bike, PERIOD.

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Quoted message said:

The following was posted on the Great Floridian forum site.

"One USAT rule or new rule that has been brought to light this season also has to do with bike
helmets, riding to and from the race, as in parking or staying nearby and riding with your gear to
the transition area. Around North Carolina, Set-Up, Inc. competitors are being forewarned that
riding without a helmet to the race site is also a DQ. "

Remember the prolonged discussion here regarding an incident last year? I guess it got some
official attention.

I did a quick look at the Rule book. here's what it says. Note the very last sentence.

"(b) Chin Strap Violations. The helmet must be fastened before the participant first mounts the
bicycle, at all times when the participant is on the bicycle, and must not be unfastened until the
participant has dismounted. Any violation of this Section 5.9(b) which occurs while the
participant is in the transition area shall result in a variable time penalty. Any other violation
of this Section shall result in disqualification. This Section 5.9(b) shall be enforced at all
times while at the event site on race day. "

Although I don't disagree with the rule, I can see where it opens a whole can of worms. What is
the "event site?" How is that defined? How far can it reasonably extend?

It seems an RD will need to post some kind of map showing what the area is or expect some
protests.

Other thoughts?

Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

The rule I teach the new triathletes in our training group is that the helmet must be on with the
strap clipped before a leg is extended over the top tube. Follow that simple rule and you'll
never get DQed for a helmet violation. Now if Icanjust get them to wait until they cross the
mount line....

Mike Tennent said:

The following was posted on the Great Floridian forum site.

"One USAT rule or new rule that has been brought to light this season also has to do with bike
helmets, riding to and from the race, as in parking or staying nearby and riding with your gear to
the transition area. Around North Carolina, Set-Up, Inc. competitors are being forewarned that
riding without a helmet to the race site is also a DQ. "

Unless the rider is a participant (not a friend, family member, etc simply moving the participant's
bike) and is either wearing his/her race number at the time of the alleged violation or is
recognized by the official, this rule is not enforceable. Bottom line: If the alleged violator is
not a participant or not recognized, there is nothing the officials can do unless the state, city,
etc. happens to have compulsory helmet laws for bicycle riders and a cop is nearby.

Another less probable, but far worse scenario is that someone rides helmetless at the site before
the race, but wears someone else's race number, thereby disqualifying the person who's number he
stole or accidentally picked up.

topdog said:

I suspect that the "event site" is up to the discretion of the RD for each race. In the race I
finished a few weeks ago, it was considered everything from the parking lot to the transition
area. The moment you brought your bike into the parking area (out of your car), you were expected
to have your helmet on when you moved it. This was made very explicit on several occasions by the
race staff, both at sign in as well as in the packet material.

In my opinion, this is overkill. During the event, yes - helmet on when in possession of bike.
Before/after race, in the 7-day period, helmet on while _riding_ bike.

The rule should follow the intent. The reason you want to have helmets on before/after is to
encourage safe riding habits. The reason you want helmet on while in posession during race is to
make the decision-making clear-cut. Two different things.

In this case, helmet on while moving bike to/from transition - rule very likely to [censored] people off
and rule very unlikely to promote good habits. STF

In article said:

I suspect that the "event site" is up to the discretion of the RD for each race. In the race I
finished a few weeks ago, it was considered everything from the parking lot to the transition
area. The moment you brought your bike into the parking area (out of your car), you were expected
to have your helmet on when you moved it. This was made very explicit on several occasions by the
race staff, both at sign in as well as in the packet material. This is not my favorite rule, and
yes, it would seem that a number of innocent people will be DQ'ed. However, it does seem to have
gotten the participants to think more about safety. No more unhelmeted riding in the parking area
in this case. I guess if it can keep some accidents from happening, then I can tolerate the rule.

BOTTOM LINE - if you are ever confused about what's expected, then simply make sure that you have
your helmet on EVERY TIME you move your bike, PERIOD.

Huh? You have to have it on when you move the bike, not just when you've mounted it? If so, that
makes NO sense, at least not unless they think I'm going to lie down on the ground and let the bike
fall on my head. Or maybe I'll drop it on my head when taking it off my roof rack.

If they're going to be that anal, then are they even going to let you get off your bike during the
race so you can take off your helmet and scratch your head or pour some water on it?

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

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Quoted message said:

In article said:

I suspect that the "event site" is up to the discretion of the RD for each race. In the race I
finished a few weeks ago, it was considered everything from the parking lot to the transition
area. The moment you brought your bike into the parking area (out of your car), you were
expected to have your helmet on when you moved it. This was made very explicit on several
occasions by the race staff, both at sign in as well as in the packet material. This is not my
favorite rule, and yes, it would seem that a number of innocent people will be DQ'ed. However,
it does seem to have gotten the participants to think more about safety. No more unhelmeted
riding in the parking area in this case. I guess if it can keep some accidents from happening,
then I can tolerate the rule.

BOTTOM LINE - if you are ever confused about what's expected, then simply make sure that you
have your helmet on EVERY TIME you move your bike, PERIOD.

Huh? You have to have it on when you move the bike, not just when you've mounted it? If so, that
makes NO sense, at least not unless they think I'm going to lie down on the ground and let the
bike fall on my head. Or maybe I'll drop it on my head when taking it off my roof rack.

If they're going to be that anal, then are they even going to let you get off your bike during the
race so you can take off your helmet and scratch your head or pour some water on it?

--Harold Buck

Recheck the rule -

"(b) Chin Strap Violations. The helmet must be fastened before the participant first mounts the
bicycle, at all times when the participant is on the bicycle, and must not be unfastened until the
participant has dismounted. Any violation of this Section 5.9(b) which occurs while the participant
is in the transition area shall result in a variable time penalty. Any other violation of this
Section shall result in disqualification. This Section 5.9(b) shall be enforced at all times while
at the event site on race day. "

To me, it boils down to "On the day of the race, have your helmet on and buckled before you throw
your leg over the top tube to get on", whethere it's pre-, during, or post-race. Walking a bike
to/from transition with the helmet in a transition bag is fine, since you haven't mounted the bike.

What's my personal interpretation of 'event site'? The bike course, the run course, and the areas
around the start line, finish line, and transition (which may be 1 or more locations, depending on
whether there are 2 transitions, whether start and finish are miles apart from each other, etc.) A
different way to look at it - if I'm in an area that I would expect to be seen by the Race Director
or other officials, as part of their normal movements around the race venue, then I'm fair game.

Quoted message said:

Huh? You have to have it on when you move the bike, not just when you've mounted it? If so, that
makes NO sense, at least not unless they think I'm going to lie down on the ground and let the
bike fall on my head. Or maybe I'll drop it on my head when taking it off my roof rack.

If they're going to be that anal, then are they even going to let you get off your bike during the
race so you can take off your helmet and scratch your head or pour some water on it?

I'm NOT saying that this is the new rule. Remember, I'm only making a strong guess that the RD
decides how to interpret it for that race, and in this case, he made a pretty strong ruling. It may
have been influenced by the fact that there was also a kid's triathlon before the adult one, and
they wanted to keep a consistancy in rules between them (if the kids see the adults doing something,
they may be more likely to do so as well) Again, interpretation is very likely up to the RD. As long
as they communicate it clearly (as they did in this case), I may not like it, but I can live with
it. For experienced participants, it may be overkill, but for others, maybe not. In that sense it
could be like some of the rules we had in elementary school for field trips - we all had to follow
them, though they were in place more for the 1st graders than the 6th graders...

Sherpa Bob said:

Harold Buck <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article said:

I suspect that the "event site" is up to the discretion of the RD for each race. In the race I
finished a few weeks ago, it was considered everything from the parking lot to the transition
area. The moment you brought your bike into the parking area (out of your car), you were expected
to have your helmet on when you moved it. This was made very explicit on several occasions by the
race staff, both at sign in as well as in the packet material. This is not my favorite rule, and
yes, it would seem that a number of innocent people will be DQ'ed. However, it does seem to have
gotten the participants to think more about safety. No more unhelmeted riding in the parking area
in this case. I guess if it can keep some accidents from happening, then I can tolerate the rule.

BOTTOM LINE - if you are ever confused about what's expected, then simply make sure that you have
your helmet on EVERY TIME you move your bike, PERIOD.

Huh? You have to have it on when you move the bike, not just when you've mounted it? If so, that
makes NO sense, at least not unless they think I'm going to lie down on the ground and let the
bike fall on my head. Or maybe I'll drop it on my head when taking it off my roof rack.

If they're going to be that anal, then are they even going to let you get off your bike during the
race so you can take off your helmet and scratch your head or pour some water on it?

--Harold Buck

Recheck the rule -

"(b) Chin Strap Violations. The helmet must be fastened before the participant first mounts the
bicycle, at all times when the participant is on the bicycle, and must not be unfastened until the
participant has dismounted. Any violation of this Section 5.9(b) which occurs while the
participant is in the transition area shall result in a variable time penalty. Any other violation
of this Section shall result in disqualification. This Section 5.9(b) shall be enforced at all
times while at the event site on race day. "

To me, it boils down to "On the day of the race, have your helmet on and buckled before you
throw your leg over the top tube to get on", whethere it's pre-, during, or post-race. Walking a
bike to/from transition with the helmet in a transition bag is fine, since you haven't mounted
the bike.

What's my personal interpretation of 'event site'? The bike course, the run course, and the areas
around the start line, finish line, and transition (which may be 1 or more locations, depending on
whether there are 2 transitions, whether start and finish are miles apart from each other, etc.) A
different way to look at it - if I'm in an area that I would expect to be seen by the Race
Director or other officials, as part of their normal movements around the race venue, then I'm
fair game.

To me, this is such a common sense rule, I don't see how there can be any complaints about it.
Riding a bike without a fastened helmet *AT ANY TIME* is plain and simple stupidity. And yes, I
know, a lot of professional cyclists ride without helmets. And yes, it's stupid when they do it to.
Is it hot? Does it look 'funny'? A lot less hot and 'funny' than an unnecessary brain injury.

--

Cheers,

Walter R. Strapps, Ph.D

"The sheer closeness of our two countries and the intensity of our mutual interaction combined with
the disparity between us in terms of wealth and power--all these things guarantee there will be
problems in U.S.-Canadian relations without anybody having to do anything to deliberately worsen the
situation."

Robert L. Stanfield, Oct. 28, 1971